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  1. I plan on buying a heart rate monitor next week. I have been shopping
    around at two stores and I am getting different info from each of the two
    salesmen regarding heart rate testing.

    When asked about accurate zones to train in the first salesman says I need a
    lactate threshold test, while the second says I need a V02 test. They both
    are very adamant about each of their tests being far superior to the other.

    What is the difference? will they give me the same info and training zones?
    Should I go for the lactate threshold test, or the V02 max test?

    I am very confused now and really need some help. I am buying my monitor
    this weekend and I want to start training ASAP. Thanks for your help.

    --

    Best,

    Tony
    602-788-8459

  2. Also, is it better to do the test on the treadmill or the bicycle?

    "Tony" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I plan on buying a heart rate monitor next week. I have been shopping
    around at two stores and I am getting different info from each of the two
    salesmen regarding heart rate testing.

    When asked about accurate zones to train in the first salesman says I need
    a lactate threshold test, while the second says I need a V02 test. They
    both are very adamant about each of their tests being far superior to the
    other.

    What is the difference? will they give me the same info and training
    zones? Should I go for the lactate threshold test, or the V02 max test?

    I am very confused now and really need some help. I am buying my monitor
    this weekend and I want to start training ASAP. Thanks for your help.

    --

    Best,

    Tony
    602-788-8459

  3. Tony said:

    I plan on buying a heart rate monitor next week. I have been shopping
    around at two stores and I am getting different info from each of the two
    salesmen regarding heart rate testing.

    When asked about accurate zones to train in the first salesman says I need a
    lactate threshold test, while the second says I need a V02 test. They both
    are very adamant about each of their tests being far superior to the other.

    What is the difference? will they give me the same info and training zones?
    Should I go for the lactate threshold test, or the V02 max test?

    I am very confused now and really need some help. I am buying my monitor
    this weekend and I want to start training ASAP. Thanks for your help.

    --

    Best,

    Tony
    602-788-8459

    As an exercise physiologist with a PhD, I can tell you that you will be
    wasting your time (and money) by doing lactate threshold determination
    or VO2max testing to help you determine your heart rate training zone.
    It is good enough to simply train at 65-90% of your estimated maximal
    heart rate. If you are unfit, can reduce the bottom end of this range
    to 55%. To estimate your maximal heart rate, subtract your age (in
    years) from 220. And as you will find out, you should not try to train
    day after day at 90% of your max heart rate.

  4. Quoted message said:

    As an exercise physiologist with a PhD, I can tell you that you will be
    wasting your time (and money) by doing lactate threshold determination
    or VO2max testing to help you determine your heart rate training zone.
    It is good enough to simply train at 65-90% of your estimated maximal
    heart rate. If you are unfit, can reduce the bottom end of this range
    to 55%. To estimate your maximal heart rate, subtract your age (in
    years) from 220. And as you will find out, you should not try to train
    day after day at 90% of your max heart rate.

    I'm sure lots of people doubt the 220 calculation, but in principle it
    works although there are numerous alternatives. 208-(AGE*0.7) gets
    closer for me. THis was in a Paper by Doug Seal of the University of
    Colorado.

    Most age groupers(ie just looking to finish well and structure their
    training) I know(ex large club chairman for 4-years) would never need
    these tests. The simple one I've always told people to do is to buy a
    HRM that fits their budgets and their needs, you can get good cheap
    ones that do basic HRM from WalMart and similar or spend a lot, lot
    more money and get lots more functions, zones, GPS etc.

    Once you've got your HRM. Find a local decent hill, say something that
    takes 1 to 1 1/2 Minutes to run up as hard as you can. Put a bucket or
    small plastic tub at the top, walk to the bottom, start your HRM, run
    to the top as fast as you can, around the bucket and jog back down;
    repeat 3x. When you get to the top on the 4th time, see what you HR is,
    thats likely to be your max or very, very close to it.

    Whats the bucket for? Well if you ran hard enough you should be feeling
    sick... its there just in case. The key thing is that no matter what
    your current fitness level, your Max HR will be the same, so do the
    test and find out how close your MHR is to 220-your age.

    After that as musrun says, you can work out your zones and you are all
    set!

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Mark Cathcart said:

    I'm sure lots of people doubt the 220 calculation, but in principle it
    works

    This is a meaningless statement. Obviously, there is a lot of variation
    around that regression line. My wife, without maximal effort, can get
    her heart rate about 20 beats over the 220-age prediction.

    So, it depends what you mean by "works," but if you mean "comes close to
    accurately predicting MHR for most people," it doesn't work.

    --Harold Buck

    "Hubris always wins in the end. The Greeks taught us that."

    -Homer J. Simpson

  6. Tony said:

    I plan on buying a heart rate monitor next week. I have been shopping
    around at two stores and I am getting different info from each of the two
    salesmen regarding heart rate testing.

    When asked about accurate zones to train in the first salesman says I need a
    lactate threshold test, while the second says I need a V02 test. They both
    are very adamant about each of their tests being far superior to the other.

    What is the difference? will they give me the same info and training zones?
    Should I go for the lactate threshold test, or the V02 max test?

    I am very confused now and really need some help. I am buying my monitor
    this weekend and I want to start training ASAP. Thanks for your help.

    This months subscription of Triathlete covers this.

  7. Tony, the reply that was written by Mark was a good way to check your
    MHR. Do as he said and then idenify your zones. As far as HRM go I use
    a Timex that I found at Target. It has, as far as HRM info. A timmer,
    and current HR feature. then a review option that allows you to check
    how long in the desire zone you trained in, average HR, Max HR, and Cal
    burn. If you are just starting out that is all you really need

    Triathlete said:
    Tony said:

    I plan on buying a heart rate monitor next week. I have been shopping
    around at two stores and I am getting different info from each of the two
    salesmen regarding heart rate testing.

    When asked about accurate zones to train in the first salesman says I need a
    lactate threshold test, while the second says I need a V02 test. They both
    are very adamant about each of their tests being far superior to the other.

    What is the difference? will they give me the same info and training zones?
    Should I go for the lactate threshold test, or the V02 max test?

    I am very confused now and really need some help. I am buying my monitor
    this weekend and I want to start training ASAP. Thanks for your help.

    This months subscription of Triathlete covers this.

  8. Thanks everyone,

    I have had some great feedback on this subject and I appreciate it all. I
    have decided to test myself using the formula for now, and once I get in
    shape in a couple months I might get the lab test done if I feel it would be
    justified.

    I also think I might just use my girlfriends basic Polar instead of blowing
    the $400+ I was about to spend on the Garmin. The Garmin GPS was just more
    then I would ever need; although, it did look very cool. I am just a fat
    kid who is trying to get fit and healthy again, and I think all of your
    advice will certainly help me get to that point. Thanks again.

    -Tony-

  9. Tony, good on your desire to get into shape. Exercise will pay the
    greatest dividend of any investment you ever make.

    Ken DaVico

  10. "Tony" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Also, is it better to do the test on the treadmill or the bicycle?

    Both. you'll probably get different numbers for each.

    Quoted message said:


    "Tony" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I plan on buying a heart rate monitor next week. I have been shopping
    around at two stores and I am getting different info from each of the two
    salesmen regarding heart rate testing.

    When asked about accurate zones to train in the first salesman says I
    need a lactate threshold test, while the second says I need a V02 test.
    They both are very adamant about each of their tests being far superior
    to the other.

    What is the difference? will they give me the same info and training
    zones? Should I go for the lactate threshold test, or the V02 max test?

    I am very confused now and really need some help. I am buying my monitor
    this weekend and I want to start training ASAP. Thanks for your help.

    --

    Best,

    Tony
    602-788-8459

    Skippy
    E&OE

  11. "Tony" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Thanks everyone,

    I have had some great feedback on this subject and I appreciate it all. I
    have decided to test myself using the formula for now, and once I get in
    shape in a couple months I might get the lab test done if I feel it would
    be justified.

    I also think I might just use my girlfriends basic Polar instead of
    blowing the $400+ I was about to spend on the Garmin. The Garmin GPS was
    just more then I would ever need; although, it did look very cool. I am
    just a fat kid who is trying to get fit and healthy again, and I think all
    of your advice will certainly help me get to that point. Thanks again.

    -Tony-

    Good luck getting fit again.

    Save the money you'd have spent on the Garmin and spend it on some coaching
    , physio, or nice food. The lure of the Shiny Things is very strong, I
    know.

    Skippy
    E&OE

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