And you thought your ride was hard . . .

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

"Some 500 deaths were reported last year of migrants who succumbed to
heat and thirst while trying to cross the desert on foot. No evidence
has turned up cyclists suffering the same fate."

http://news.aol.com/world/story/_a/some-mexican-migrants-turning-to/n2
00605271 20609990009?cid=774

Wow. Says a lot about the quality of life and wages in Mexico that
people are willing to risk dying to get the U.S. minimum wage (which has
dropped something like 26% when adjusted for inflation over the past 38
years, having reached its peak at the end of the Johnson Administration-
the equivalent of about $7 an hour today). The average per capita
Mexican income is around $10,000 per year compared to the U.S.'s $41,000
and, as is the case everywhere, that number is probably misleadingly
high as it's dragged upwards by the top 1% whose income is 100 to 1000
times (or more) higher than most people's. Mexicans are comparatively
well off, the world's per capita income being around $7300 per year.
Frightening. Maybe it'd be cheaper to build up Mexico's economy than to
try to seal the border.

Tim McNamara said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

"Some 500 deaths were reported last year of migrants who succumbed to
heat and thirst while trying to cross the desert on foot. No evidence
has turned up cyclists suffering the same fate."

http://news.aol.com/world/story/_a/some-mexican-migrants-turning-to/n2
00605271 20609990009?cid=774

Wow. Says a lot about the quality of life and wages in Mexico that
people are willing to risk dying to get the U.S. minimum wage (which has
dropped something like 26% when adjusted for inflation over the past 38
years, having reached its peak at the end of the Johnson Administration-
the equivalent of about $7 an hour today). The average per capita
Mexican income is around $10,000 per year compared to the U.S.'s $41,000
and, as is the case everywhere, that number is probably misleadingly
high as it's dragged upwards by the top 1% whose income is 100 to 1000
times (or more) higher than most people's. Mexicans are comparatively
well off, the world's per capita income being around $7300 per year.
Frightening. Maybe it'd be cheaper to build up Mexico's economy than to
try to seal the border.

One of the big problems in Mexico is inequality. Also, it's important
to note that some of the cross-border migrants are coming from other
Latin American countries and have just passed through Mexico.

JT

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Hiya:
"Coyote" to migrant: "It's easy -- nothing to it. I've got
connections." Cross border alien smugglers have less ethics than dope
dealers and ProTour team physicians (on topic content), much less
regular travel agents. There are probably some who think it's FUNNY to
reduce THEIR risk by dumping their human cargo in the middle of nowhere
with a sketch map and an assurance that water is nearby and the green
limes (Border Patrol) far, far away. The awful truth -- the water is
far, far away, and so is the Border Patrol.

Robert Leone [email hidden]

In article <[email hidden]>,

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Tim McNamara said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

"Some 500 deaths were reported last year of migrants who succumbed
to heat and thirst while trying to cross the desert on foot. No
evidence has turned up cyclists suffering the same fate."

http://news.aol.com/world/story/_a/some-mexican-migrants-turning-to
/n2 00605271 20609990009?cid=774

Wow. Says a lot about the quality of life and wages in Mexico that
people are willing to risk dying to get the U.S. minimum wage (which
has dropped something like 26% when adjusted for inflation over the
past 38 years, having reached its peak at the end of the Johnson
Administration- the equivalent of about $7 an hour today). The
average per capita Mexican income is around $10,000 per year
compared to the U.S.'s $41,000 and, as is the case everywhere, that
number is probably misleadingly high as it's dragged upwards by the
top 1% whose income is 100 to 1000 times (or more) higher than most
people's. Mexicans are comparatively well off, the world's per
capita income being around $7300 per year. Frightening. Maybe it'd
be cheaper to build up Mexico's economy than to try to seal the
border.

One of the big problems in Mexico is inequality. Also, it's
important to note that some of the cross-border migrants are coming
from other Latin American countries and have just passed through
Mexico.

Inequality is a big problem in the US as well, not to mention everywhere
else. South Americans have an average per capita income that appears to
be about half of Mexicans'.

Tim McNamara said:

Mexicans are comparatively
well off, the world's per capita income being around $7300 per year.
Maybe it'd be cheaper to build up Mexico's economy than to
try to seal the border.

You could always do what some people (including president Bush) are
suggesting the EU should do with Turkey - make it part of the union.
The relative populations and economies are pretty similar.

-as

Tim McNamara said:

Inequality is a big problem in the US as well, not to mention everywhere
else. South Americans have an average per capita income that appears to
be about half of Mexicans'.

Average isn't a valid statistic to use when discussing equality. One
fellow with $$1,000,000 income and 9 with $1,000 income will yield an
average income of over $100,000, but does that really reflect reality?
What you want is to know median.

If you look at median this or that for the US, it shows drastically
different pictures than the 'leaders' wish you to know. It makes no diff
if we're discussing net worth or credit card debt. Median is where you
need to look.

-paul

Paul Cassel said:

Average isn't a valid statistic to use when discussing equality. One
fellow with $$1,000,000 income and 9 with $1,000 income will yield an
average income of over $100,000, but does that really reflect reality?
What you want is to know median.

If you look at median this or that for the US, it shows drastically
different pictures than the 'leaders' wish you to know. It makes no diff
if we're discussing net worth or credit card debt. Median is where you
need to look.

Well, the average American doesn't know much about statistics!

:-)

In article <[email hidden]>,

Paul Cassel said:

Tim McNamara said:

Inequality is a big problem in the US as well, not to mention
everywhere else. South Americans have an average per capita income
that appears to be about half of Mexicans'.

Average isn't a valid statistic to use when discussing equality. One
fellow with $$1,000,000 income and 9 with $1,000 income will yield an
average income of over $100,000, but does that really reflect
reality? What you want is to know median.

If you look at median this or that for the US, it shows drastically
different pictures than the 'leaders' wish you to know. It makes no
diff if we're discussing net worth or credit card debt. Median is
where you need to look.

Median, mode, mean all provide different and useful types of
information. You actually have to look at all, as well as the shape of
the distribution curve, standard deviation, etc.

Same story, different link with photos
http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20060527/D8HS7I0G0.html

Paul Cassel said:

Tim McNamara said:

Inequality is a big problem in the US as well, not to mention everywhere
else. South Americans have an average per capita income that appears to
be about half of Mexicans'.

Average isn't a valid statistic to use when discussing equality. One
fellow with $$1,000,000 income and 9 with $1,000 income will yield an
average income of over $100,000, but does that really reflect reality?
What you want is to know median.

If you look at median this or that for the US, it shows drastically
different pictures than the 'leaders' wish you to know. It makes no diff
if we're discussing net worth or credit card debt. Median is where you
need to look.

And other stuff beyond the median. A classic measure is the GINI
index.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/eco_dis_of_fam_inc_gin_ind

JT

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In article <[email hidden]>,

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Paul Cassel said:

Tim McNamara said:

Inequality is a big problem in the US as well, not to mention
everywhere else. South Americans have an average per capita
income that appears to be about half of Mexicans'.

Average isn't a valid statistic to use when discussing equality. One
fellow with $$1,000,000 income and 9 with $1,000 income will yield
an average income of over $100,000, but does that really reflect
reality? What you want is to know median.

If you look at median this or that for the US, it shows drastically
different pictures than the 'leaders' wish you to know. It makes no
diff if we're discussing net worth or credit card debt. Median is
where you need to look.

And other stuff beyond the median. A classic measure is the GINI
index.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/eco_dis_of_fam_inc_gin_ind

Thanks for that, I had not seen it before.

Tim McNamara said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Paul Cassel said:

Tim McNamara wrote:

>
> Inequality is a big problem in the US as well, not to mention
> everywhere else. South Americans have an average per capita
> income that appears to be about half of Mexicans'.

Average isn't a valid statistic to use when discussing equality. One
fellow with $$1,000,000 income and 9 with $1,000 income will yield
an average income of over $100,000, but does that really reflect
reality? What you want is to know median.

If you look at median this or that for the US, it shows drastically
different pictures than the 'leaders' wish you to know. It makes no
diff if we're discussing net worth or credit card debt. Median is
where you need to look.

And other stuff beyond the median. A classic measure is the GINI
index.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/eco_dis_of_fam_inc_gin_ind

Thanks for that, I had not seen it before.

That's why Brad Pitt/ Angelina Joline went to Nambia!

Antti Salonen says...

Quoted message said:

You could always do what some people (including president Bush) are
suggesting the EU should do with Turkey - make it part of the union.
The relative populations and economies are pretty similar.

We already have NAFTA. As far as EU style currency standardization, I
doubt Mexico would be keen on that. The first thing they did after
NAFTA was passed was devalue the Peso to favor exports to the US instead
of imports from the US.