Tom Danielson

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In my opinion the real loser was Tom Danielson, losing 7:00 and dropping
from # 8 to # 11. At 28 years old he can't really be called the young kid

of

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the team anymore. Any thoughts on the future for TD?

A bike shop in Fresno possibly?

Maybe he his hanging low for the TdF especially since Paolo Savoldelli is
faltering. You know, training miles.
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In my opinion the real loser was Tom Danielson, losing 7:00 and dropping
from # 8 to # 11. At 28 years old he can't really be called the young

kid

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of

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the team anymore. Any thoughts on the future for TD?

A bike shop in Fresno possibly?

Frank Drackman said:

In my opinion the real loser was Tom Danielson, losing 7:00 and dropping
from # 8 to # 11. At 28 years old he can't really be called the young kid of
the team anymore. Any thoughts on the future for TD?

If we wants to win races he needs to take the Levi approach and
spend some time in NorCal.

Bob Schwartz

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I was thinking that Cunego had a really bad day today until I read Bob
Martin's Stage 16 summary and noticed that he actually gained a
position in the GC to # 8 even after losing 4:37 to Basso.

In my opinion the real loser was Tom Danielson, losing 7:00 and
dropping from # 8 to # 11. At 28 years old he can't really be called
the young kid of
the team anymore. Any thoughts on the future for TD?

Look at Savoldelli's performance before you criticise Danielson.
Danielson - like any really great domestique - burned himself out
helping Savoldelli as far up the mountain as he could, and /still/
Savoldelli couldn't make it. Danielson then eased off to recover so that
he'd be in shape to do the same job tomorrow - like any really great
domestique (except Piepoli!). Sastre also didn't make a top 20 finish
yesterday. Does anyone think Sastre's coat is on a shoogly nail?

No: if Sean Yates is looking at his team composition for TdF, it's not
Danielson who should be worrying about his place. It's Savoldelli.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
"This young man has not the faintest idea how socialists think and does
not begin to understand the mentality of the party he has been elected
to lead. He is quite simply a liberal"
-- Ken Coates MEP (Lab) of Tony Blair

I would like to believe the below but it was clear from CyclingTV and
the RAI feeds yesterday that TD was not minding Svoldelli, who was
being tended by Rubiera, TD was further back from the start of the
climb and evaporated quickly. It seems that TD can diesel the climbs
but gets gapped on the accellerations and then is unable to ride back
to the front group -- something that has happened a number of times to
TD during this Giro.
Best,
Bill Black

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Frank Drackman

(') said:

I was thinking that Cunego had a really bad day today until I read Bob
Martin's Stage 16 summary and noticed that he actually gained a
position in the GC to # 8 even after losing 4:37 to Basso.

In my opinion the real loser was Tom Danielson, losing 7:00 and
dropping from # 8 to # 11. At 28 years old he can't really be called
the young kid of
the team anymore. Any thoughts on the future for TD?

Look at Savoldelli's performance before you criticise Danielson.
Danielson - like any really great domestique - burned himself out
helping Savoldelli as far up the mountain as he could, and /still/
Savoldelli couldn't make it. Danielson then eased off to recover so that
he'd be in shape to do the same job tomorrow - like any really great
domestique (except Piepoli!). Sastre also didn't make a top 20 finish
yesterday. Does anyone think Sastre's coat is on a shoogly nail?

No: if Sean Yates is looking at his team composition for TdF, it's not
Danielson who should be worrying about his place. It's Savoldelli.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
"This young man has not the faintest idea how socialists think and does
not begin to understand the mentality of the party he has been elected
to lead. He is quite simply a liberal"
-- Ken Coates MEP (Lab) of Tony Blair

billb said:

I would like to believe the below but it was clear from CyclingTV and
the RAI feeds yesterday that TD was not minding Svoldelli,

Svoldelli must be the first Czech to ride for a Kazach team. Presumably
Dviluca will be joining him soon.

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TD was further back from the start of the climb and evaporated quickly.

Was that a literal or figurative evaporation and was it due to the
peloton blowing up ?

Well, hell, I sincerely apologize and please accept a Koruna as a token
of my esteem for you personally and your erudition (1 Czech koruna =
0.0451467 U.S. dollars).
Best,
Bill Black

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in message <[email hidden]>, Frank Drackman

(') said:

I was thinking that Cunego had a really bad day today until I read Bob
Martin's Stage 16 summary and noticed that he actually gained a
position in the GC to # 8 even after losing 4:37 to Basso.

In my opinion the real loser was Tom Danielson, losing 7:00 and
dropping from # 8 to # 11. At 28 years old he can't really be called
the young kid of
the team anymore. Any thoughts on the future for TD?

Look at Savoldelli's performance before you criticise Danielson.
Danielson - like any really great domestique - burned himself out
helping Savoldelli as far up the mountain as he could, and /still/
Savoldelli couldn't make it. Danielson then eased off to recover so that
he'd be in shape to do the same job tomorrow - like any really great
domestique (except Piepoli!). Sastre also didn't make a top 20 finish
yesterday. Does anyone think Sastre's coat is on a shoogly nail?

I don't think that is true. TD seemed to be gapped as soon as the climb
started. If he burned himself out before the climb he has another problem.

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I don't think that is true. TD seemed to be gapped as soon as the climb
started. If he burned himself out before the climb he has another
problem.

You mean a weak team at the Giro?

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I don't think that is true. TD seemed to be gapped as soon as the climb
started. If he burned himself out before the climb he has another
problem.

You mean a weak team at the Giro?

Anyone know if Dr. Michele Ferrari had tested Tom before the Giro?

Ferrari states Basso as having a VAM of 1820m/h which would come out to
6.27 w/kg on
the Colle di San Carlo. Ferrari figures Basso was 67kg that day putting his
average power output
on the climb at 420 watts.

Tom was probably at just 5.85 or 5.92.