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  1. Hello,,,the last month or so I have been experimenting with what my body needs for restful sleep. I
    have tried the following:

    1. Melatonin---sometimes works though there is grogginess
    2. Valerian---Seems to work like melatonin though not much grogginess
    3. Red wine at night---usually wake up to pee 🙂
    4. Cutting out all carbs at night and eating some solid protein
    5. some other nicks and naks

    I am not a nutrionalist so I just found these by reading. Does anyone have anything else to try?
    Something to relieve the stress/anxiety before sleep.

    On another note I have read that there are supplements on the market that contain little if any
    quality control. For instance I read one study where several bottles of Melatonin were tested and
    some pills contained no melatonin while others sometimes double or triple the strength. How is a
    consumer such as myself to deal with this? There is so much marketing out there what do you believe?
    Who do you believe?

    Have a great day!

  2. The herb Linden (Lime flower) is the best thing I've found. A teaspoon or so in hot water to make a
    tea before bed. Also something called 5-HTP which is made from a kind of bean I believe - anyway
    that's availabe in most health food outlets.

    "Lurker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hello,,,the last month or so I have been experimenting with what my body needs for restful sleep.
    I have tried the following:

    1. Melatonin---sometimes works though there is grogginess
    2. Valerian---Seems to work like melatonin though not much grogginess
    3. Red wine at night---usually wake up to pee 🙂
    4. Cutting out all carbs at night and eating some solid protein
    5. some other nicks and naks

    I am not a nutrionalist so I just found these by reading. Does anyone have anything else to try?
    Something to relieve the stress/anxiety before


    sleep.

    Quoted message said:


    On another note I have read that there are supplements on the market that contain little if any
    quality control. For instance I read one study where several bottles of Melatonin were tested and
    some pills contained no melatonin while others sometimes double or triple the strength. How is a
    consumer such as myself to deal with this? There is so much marketing out there what do you
    believe? Who do you believe?

    Have a great day!

  3. I am guessing it is safe?

    "bryher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    The herb Linden (Lime flower) is the best thing I've found. A teaspoon or so in hot water to make
    a tea before bed. Also something called 5-HTP which is made from a kind of bean I believe - anyway
    that's availabe in


    most

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    health food outlets.

    "Lurker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hello,,,the last month or so I have been experimenting with what my body needs for restful
    sleep. I have tried the following:

    1. Melatonin---sometimes works though there is grogginess
    2. Valerian---Seems to work like melatonin though not much grogginess
    3. Red wine at night---usually wake up to pee 🙂
    4. Cutting out all carbs at night and eating some solid protein
    5. some other nicks and naks

    I am not a nutrionalist so I just found these by reading. Does anyone


    have

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    anything else to try? Something to relieve the stress/anxiety before


    sleep.

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    On another note I have read that there are supplements on the market


    that

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    contain little if any quality control. For instance I read one study


    where

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    several bottles of Melatonin were tested and some pills contained no melatonin while others
    sometimes double or triple the strength. How is a consumer such as myself to deal with this?
    There is so much marketing


    out

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    there what do you believe? Who do you believe?

    Have a great day!


  4. "Lurker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hello,,,the last month or so I have been experimenting with what my body needs for restful sleep.
    I have tried the following:

    1. Melatonin---sometimes works though there is grogginess
    2. Valerian---Seems to work like melatonin though not much grogginess
    3. Red wine at night---usually wake up to pee 🙂
    4. Cutting out all carbs at night and eating some solid protein
    5. some other nicks and naks

    I am not a nutrionalist so I just found these by reading. Does anyone have anything else to try?
    Something to relieve the stress/anxiety before sleep.

    On another note I have read that there are supplements on the market that contain little if any
    quality control. For instance I read one study where several bottles of Melatonin were tested and
    some pills contained no melatonin while others sometimes double or triple the strength. How is a
    consumer such as myself to deal with this? There is so much marketing out there what do you
    believe? Who do you believe?

    Have a great day!

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  5. "Lurker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Hello,,,the last month or so I have been experimenting with what my body needs for restful sleep.
    I have tried the following:

    1. Melatonin---sometimes works though there is grogginess

    Melatonin tends improve the quality of sleep especially in the middle aged or older but doesn't help
    to reset the circadian rhythm

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    2. Valerian---Seems to work like melatonin though not much grogginess

    Tastes terrible. I suspect one would build up a tolerance such that it would become ineffective.
    Chamomile tastes better but it will only work for a couple of nites.

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    3. Red wine at night---usually wake up to pee 🙂

    Alcohol impairs sleep quality and even can cause paradoxical wakefulness. Leave the red wine for
    earlier to use with steak or cheese:-)

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    4. Cutting out all carbs at night and eating some solid protein

    Glass of milk? This may help in younger persons but in the middle aged tend to have acid reflux when
    either laying flat in bed on a full stomach.

    Hot bath to relax?

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    5. some other nicks and naks

    Comment same as 4

    Have you tried GABA? I'd keep the dose lower than when I tried it. I tried 1500 mg per nite over
    several days and I felt odd for the full morning. I'd suggest 750 mg. It seem to have the ability to
    reset the circadian rthythm.

    If you can get up the same time every day and combine that with good hard daily work outs. That
    might help??

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    I am not a nutrionalist so I just found these by reading. Does anyone have anything else to try?
    Something to relieve the stress/anxiety before


    sleep.

    Quoted message said:


    On another note I have read that there are supplements on the market that contain little if any
    quality control. For instance I read one study where several bottles of Melatonin were tested and
    some pills contained no melatonin while others sometimes double or triple the strength. How is a
    consumer such as myself to deal with this? There is so much marketing out there what do you
    believe? Who do you believe?

    Have a great day!

  6. I've only used it a few times - no probs. I wouldn't take any medication or sleep aid long term if I
    could avoid it. People on alt.folklore.herbs recommended the Linden + there is at least one
    professional (&renown) herbalist on that group - it's a good group - check it out and ask further
    there if you're interested in finding out more.

    "Lurker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I am guessing it is safe?

    "bryher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    The herb Linden (Lime flower) is the best thing I've found. A teaspoon


    or

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    Quoted message said:

    so in hot water to make a tea before bed. Also something called 5-HTP which is made from a kind
    of bean I believe - anyway that's availabe in


    most

    Quoted message said:

    health food outlets.

  7. 5 HTP

    Trent

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    From: "Lurker" <[email hidden]> Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- earthlink.netearthlink.net
    Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:28:23 GMT Subject: Question on sleep
    aid's,,,,

    Hello,,,the last month or so I have been experimenting with what my body needs for restful sleep.
    I have tried the following:

    1. Melatonin---sometimes works though there is grogginess
    2. Valerian---Seems to work like melatonin though not much grogginess
    3. Red wine at night---usually wake up to pee 🙂
    4. Cutting out all carbs at night and eating some solid protein
    5. some other nicks and naks

    I am not a nutrionalist so I just found these by reading. Does anyone have anything else to try?
    Something to relieve the stress/anxiety before sleep.

    On another note I have read that there are supplements on the market that contain little if any
    quality control. For instance I read one study where several bottles of Melatonin were tested and
    some pills contained no melatonin while others sometimes double or triple the strength. How is a
    consumer such as myself to deal with this? There is so much marketing out there what do you
    believe? Who do you believe?

    Have a great day!

  8. "Lurker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Hello,,,the last month or so I have been experimenting with what my body needs for restful sleep.
    I have tried the following:

    This is what I have found over about 8 years:

    1 Get some exercise and sunlight early in the day. 2 Avoid alchol, or caffeine after 5pm. 3 Avoid
    heavy meals, or exercise late in the day. 4 Don't fall asleep in front of the TV. 5 Esp. if you
    are a male over 50, avoid drinking fluids for a couple hours pre-retiring. 6 Melatonin effects are
    very variable depending on individual, medications, season etc. If your bio clock is off,
    melatonin can only set it to be earlier in the day, not later. Commonly available 3mg pills are
    far too much for me, and far more than an endogenous equivalent dose. The amount I need/tolerate
    has declined to about 0.25 mg, preferably time release, or 0.5 mg normal release. I take a break
    every few days and still get a good night's sleep, without hangover. YMMV. Melatonin is commonly
    available in 1mg dose, and not so commonly in sub mg. Endo-equivalent dose is said to be around
    0.1 mg depending on your absorption. Work up to your desirable level, not down. 7 For me, good
    sleep is a necessity not a luxury.

  9. mike said:

    This is what I have found over about 8 years:

    1 Get some exercise and sunlight early in the day.

    Will my running at night turn me into a troll? is the sun late in the day worse then early in the
    day? I know you live in the east and are partial to the sunrise. Yup, anything to do with the left
    coast is undoubtedly bizarre.

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    2 Avoid alchol, or caffeine after 5pm.

    Good lord, does this mean I can't have a glass of yummy red wine?

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    3 Avoid heavy meals, or exercise late in the day.

    Exercise any damn time of the day in good. Do you have some post 5

    you up so you can't get to sleep.

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    4 Don't fall asleep in front of the TV.

    Of course not - you miss the ending of the show?

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    5 Esp. if you are a male over 50, avoid drinking fluids for a couple hours pre-retiring.

    I'm almost 60 and I haven't wet the bed yet.

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    6 Melatonin effects are very variable depending on individual, medications, season etc.

    Substitute any word for Melatonin.

    Is this all part of pyramid power or the flat earth folks. You either have one very sensitive system
    or need to get out more.

    I can go for a run at 6:30 - 8 pm, eat dinner with a glass of wine or two and sleep like a Gerber
    baby. I guess I'm your opposite.

    --
    Doug Freese [email hidden]

  10. Good for you. You obviously don't have a problem. The orginal post does & wanted some ideas.

    "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I can go for a run at 6:30 - 8 pm, eat dinner with a glass of wine or two and sleep like a Gerber
    baby. I guess I'm your opposite.

  11. bryher said:

    Good for you. You obviously don't have a problem. The orginal post does & wanted some ideas.

    I wasn't commenting on the original post but think these suggestions are based on myth.

    --
    Doug Freese [email hidden]

  12. I just did some checking on Linden and I am going to try it..I had never heard of it before. Thanks!

    "bryher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I've only used it a few times - no probs. I wouldn't take any medication or sleep aid long term if
    I could avoid it. People on alt.folklore.herbs recommended the Linden + there is at least one
    professional (&renown) herbalist on that group - it's a good group - check it out and ask further
    there if you're interested in finding out more.

    "Lurker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I am guessing it is safe?

    "bryher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The herb Linden (Lime flower) is the best thing I've found. A


    teaspoon

    Quoted message said:

    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    so in hot water to make a tea before bed. Also something called


    5-HTP

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    which is made from a kind of bean I believe - anyway that's availabe


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    most

    Quoted message said:

    health food outlets.


  13. "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    bryher said:

    Good for you. You obviously don't have a problem. The orginal post


    does &

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    wanted some ideas.

    I wasn't commenting on the original post but think these suggestions are based on myth.

    --
    Doug Freese [email hidden]

    Probably nothing but placebo effect. 🙂 When I was young, I was also 'bullet proof.'

  14. I'm sure the original poster is intelligent enough to decide that for himself.

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    I wasn't commenting on the original post but think these suggestions are based on myth.

  15. mike said:

    Probably nothing but placebo effect. 🙂

    Quite likely.

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    When I was young, I was also 'bullet proof.'

    If close to 60 is young and bullet proof, I thank you. 🙂

    --
    Doug Freese [email hidden]

  16. "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    mike said:

    Probably nothing but placebo effect. 🙂

    Quite likely.

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    When I was young, I was also 'bullet proof.'

    If close to 60 is young and bullet proof, I thank you. 🙂

    --
    Doug Freese [email hidden]

    Didn't think I mentioned you, but if the cap fits, enjoy! 🙂

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