There is a big problem with this particular conspiracy theory.
Everyone can agree that 2 commercial airliners hit the World Trade Center towers. We saw it live on TV.
Given that, there is no need for a fake plane attack/real missile attack on the Pentagon. The nation was traumatized by the WTC towers collapsing, not the Pentagon.
The Bush Admin may be misguided, but they're not that devious. Otherwise they would have faked WMDs.
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Now will you answer my question?
yes.
no. but I always check in at www.gulliblenutjob.org to see the latest in whack-job conspiracy theories. in my opinion the debunking of the evidence for a missile strike on the pentagon is much more convincing than than the evidence itself. but the main point is that the ass-clowns in the bush administration can't even pacify a two-bit dirt-poor country like afghanistan, much less pull off the biggest conspiracy in the history of the u.s.a. these guys are opportunists, they're not deep thinkers or planners and every shred of good advice they've gotten along the way related to tactical and strategic issues they've ignored and things have turned out to be as nearly completely a disaster as they could be. why exactly do you think they were able to successfully organize and conduct something like an attack on the pentagon (and the world trade center)?
-- Bill Asher
You really need to read Griffin's book. After you have, I'd be happy to continue the discussion with you here or via email.
There is a big problem with this particular conspiracy theory.
I don't subscribe to any conspiracy theiry, nor does Griffin. There are serious questions that simply need to be independently investigated.
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Everyone can agree that 2 commercial airliners hit the World Trade Center towers. We saw it live on TV.
Given that, there is no need for a fake plane attack/real missile attack on the Pentagon. The nation was traumatized by the WTC towers collapsing, not the Pentagon.
The Bush Admin may be misguided, but they're not that devious. Otherwise they would have faked WMDs.
but the main point is that the ass-clowns in the bush administration can't even pacify a two-bit dirt-poor country like afghanistan, much less pull off the biggest conspiracy in the history of the u.s.a.
Give me a break. There are countries that used less 'nuance' in their approach toward Afghanistan in attempting to conqueor it in the last few centuries that also failed to do the job. Arguably, those that have little of value so little to fear lost are hardest to leverage into a cease fire or peace. And it isn't sitting on the edge of the world where it is easy to isolate - it sits across ancient trade routes and less ancient smuggling routes that remain open.
Cheap shots detract from any argument.
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Let me know when you've read the Griffin book. Until then we have nothing to discuss.
but the main point is that the ass-clowns in the bush administration can't even pacify a two-bit dirt-poor country like afghanistan, much less pull off the biggest conspiracy in the history of the u.s.a.
Give me a break. There are countries that used less 'nuance' in their approach toward Afghanistan in attempting to conqueor it in the last few centuries that also failed to do the job. Arguably, those that have little of value so little to fear lost are hardest to leverage into a cease fire or peace. And it isn't sitting on the edge of the world where it is easy to isolate - it sits across ancient trade routes and less ancient smuggling routes that remain open.
Cheap shots detract from any argument.
The U.S. had the entire world helping in Afghanistan and instead of stabilizing the country, building infrastructure and so forth, the U.S. moved on to attacking Iraq, poisoning world opinion. Now maybe it wouldn't have made any difference if the U.S. had made a better effort in Afghanistan because the situation is completely intractable, but the Bush Administration has basically cut and run. What you've written is just whining that "awww geeeee, it's *so* hard they should be forgiven for basically giving up."
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Let me know when you've read the Griffin book. Until then we have nothing to discuss.
Mine was a statement not the start of a discussion... seek help.
Anyone who thinks that anything other than AA#77 hit the Pentagon is a freaking idiot.
The only thing crazier than the "Missile hit the Pentagon" theory is the "Anyone who believes different things than I do is a freaking idiot" theory.
So I'm agreeing with you, kind of.
It's all a matter of degree. In this case, the theory is so far out that only an idiot would believe it. No, actually I'm being unfair to idiots. Your average idiot is not that dumb. Only an imbecile would believe it.
I don't blame the people who make films and write books about these conspiracy theories. Of course, you could blame them for taking advantage of the feeble minded, but in the context of what people will do to make money, it's not that bad.
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Anyone who thinks that anything other than AA#77 hit the Pentagon is a freaking idiot.
The only thing crazier than the "Missile hit the Pentagon" theory is the "Anyone who believes different things than I do is a freaking idiot" theory.
So I'm agreeing with you, kind of.
It's all a matter of degree. In this case, the theory is so far out that only an idiot would believe it. No, actually I'm being unfair to idiots. Your average idiot is not that dumb. Only an imbecile would believe it.
I don't blame the people who make films and write books about these conspiracy theories. Of course, you could blame them for taking advantage of the feeble minded, but in the context of what people will do to make money, it's not that bad.
It's obvious that you haven't read Griffin's book. He doesn't draw conclusions as to any theory of what might have happened. He raises serious questions based on the public record and calls for an independent inquiry that is not limited in scope as the 9/11 Commission's was.
Anyone who thinks that anything other than AA#77 hit the Pentagon is a freaking idiot.
The only thing crazier than the "Missile hit the Pentagon" theory is the "Anyone who believes different things than I do is a freaking idiot" theory.
So I'm agreeing with you, kind of.
It's all a matter of degree. In this case, the theory is so far out that only an idiot would believe it. No, actually I'm being unfair to idiots. Your average idiot is not that dumb. Only an imbecile would believe it.
Let's get our technical terms correct:
IQ Range Classification 70-80 Borderline deficiency 50-69 Moron 20-49 Imbecile below 20 Idiot
Once again, the nation was traumatized by the WTC attack.
Wrong. The attack was minor. Seeing it endlessly replayed on every TV in the nation for 2 months afterwards was the traumatizing part.
I'm stil pretty freaked out and tried very hard to not see it - and largely succeeded. I still haven't seen complete footage of the towers falling. Though I live in the city where it happened and used to work in 1WTC, so maybe that is part of it.
JT
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Once again, the nation was traumatized by the WTC attack.
Wrong. The attack was minor. Seeing it endlessly replayed on every TV in the nation for 2 months afterwards was the traumatizing part.
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It's the Pentagon attack that was relatively minor, both in casualties and physical damage. The point is that *faking* an airliner crashing into the Pentagon wasn't necessary if the motive ascribed to the Bush Admin were true.
For a crime of that magnitude, wouldn't a motive be necessary? It's like saying the Roosevelt Administration should've faked an attack on LA to start a war w/ Japan. They didn't need any such faked event, they had Pearl Harbor.
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I don't blame the people who make films and write books about these conspiracy theories. Of course, you could blame them for taking advantage of the feeble minded, but in the context of what people will do to make money, it's not that bad.
It's obvious that you haven't read Griffin's book. He doesn't draw conclusions as to any theory of what might have happened. He raises serious questions based on the public record and calls for an independent inquiry that is not limited in scope as the 9/11 Commission's was.
My reaction is to the theory that AA#77 was not what caused the damage at the Pentagon. Any book that entertains such a theory is not worth reading, because it's absurd.
