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Jobsworth of the Year

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  1. The strange regulations of the Royal Parks has often been discussed in
    this forum, but this regulation must surely beat them all.

    Greenwich Park has four avenues, wide roads with footways either side.
    Three of these avenues form a triangle: Bower Avenue, Blackheath
    Avenue and Great Cross Avenue.

    See (250Kb pdf download):
    http://www.royalparks.gov.uk/docs/park_maps/greenwich_park.pdf

    Blackheath Avenue is open to all non-comercial traffic.
    Great Cross Avenue is open to bicyle traffic and park vehicles.
    Bower Avenue is open to park vehicles only.

    I wrote to Greenwich Park asking if I could use the whole triangle,
    including Bower Avenue, for cycle training, a first on-road
    experience, and looking, signalling and turning left.

    My request has been turned down, even though park regulations allow
    for children of ten years and younger to cycle along Bower Avenue.

    What possible justification might they have to turn down such a
    request!?

  2. Quoted message said:


    What possible justification might they have to turn down such a
    request!?

    Simple...folk not knowing the rules and regulations witnessing your group
    using Bower Avenue might assume that they too can use it. This then means
    that human resources might have to be deployed to enforce a rule that had
    previously been obeyed by custom and practise. The justification is
    possibly, therefore, financial.

  3. email hidden said:

    Sounds jobsworth to me.

    Here's the lastest email correspondence:

    ==========
    To Philip Drew, copied by him, to various Royal Park employees, and a
    helpful lady who is a volunteer with The Friends of Greenwich Park.
    ==========

    Dear Philip,

    I have completed and returned the indemnity form.

    I have taken a long look at the Park regulations and cannot find
    anything to suggest that an educational map reading exercise is a fee
    paying event. Could you please quote the relevant regulation which
    makes this a fee paying event, and if this is the case, my headteacher
    has agreed to pay the fee.

    For invoice purposes, the school address is:
    John Ball Primary School
    Southvale Road
    London SE3 0TP
    020 8852 1601

    Can you confirm that park regulations allow for children of 10 years
    or younger to cycle along Bower Avenue, and it is only instructors or
    any older trainee cyclists who may not cycle along the road? It is on
    this understanding which I have been using The Park. While it would
    be useful if I could lead the children around the course before
    allowing them to cycle the route independently, it is of no great
    consequence if I have to meet them at Great Cross Avenue by going the
    long way round, the impact is more on the occasional parent I have
    learning road cycling skills with their child.

    Many thanks,

    Tom Crispin.

    For those of you copied in on this correspondence, the details of the
    orienteering activity are as follows:

    The class of 26 ten and eleven year old children will be divided into
    teams of four or five children. Each team will have two orienteering
    maps of Greenwich Park and each child in each team will have a
    question sheet, see email attachment. The teams will need to use the
    orienteering map to locate, in numerical order, the locations
    identified on the question sheet. Once they have found the location
    they will need to answer the question or carryout the activity on
    their sheet. None of the activities requires that they pick or even
    touch any plant, no location is in an area which is not open to the
    public, no signs or notices will be posted anywhere within the park.

    A full educational risk assessment has been carried out and submitted
    to Philip. Key points are as follows:

    A member of school staff with a first aid qualification will always be
    available at or near the statue of General Wolfe, the children will
    know this.
    Other staff members and parent volunteers will be around the park
    checking children through various locations and offering map reading
    help and directions as required.
    The children will be briefed about what to do if they need assistance.
    The children will be briefed about appropriate contact with other park
    users.

    I have also given assurances that the children will be instructed not
    to pick any flowers or plants and to have minimal impact on the park
    environment.

    Tom Crispin.

    ==========
    From Philip Drew to me, copied to the same list.
    ==========

    Dear Tom

    There is not an actual regulation stating that map reading exercises
    or orienteering is a fee paying event. That would be too fine a point
    to be put through the statute books in parliament when the regulations
    became law.

    This office will always consider a charge where an organised event is
    held in Greenwich Park. As mentioned earlier the fee of £50.00 + VAT
    is the minimum charge for organised events in the park. The fee would
    cover disruption in the park, which again can be classed as minimal
    but is relevant, and an admin fee to cover our time in getting your
    event organised in Greenwich Park.

    I think you have slightly missed the point with reference to under
    10's cycling on Bower Avenue. In an unofficial capacity this would be
    allowed within the regulations. However, you have approached us
    officially requesting use the Bower Avenue for cycle training which is
    a different scenario.

    In a time where we receive many complaints of unauthorised cycling in
    many areas of the park, which is raised by members of the Friends of
    the Park incidentally, I think a decision to allow this would be
    condemned by many interest groups.

    I hope this clears up the matters raised.

    The invoice for orienteering in Greenwich Park will be sent to you
    shortly.

    Many thanks,

    Philip Drew

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