Home brewing........

LucasP said:

Got the still going at the moment, trying to regulate the water to keep
it at an even 90-91c. Going to start making the spirits for the party in
August :-)

And have just put on a batch of 'monkey blood' aka Australian Shiraz.
Funny thing is, the Canuks take our grapes over there, process them and
then sell it back to us so that we can brew it up at home!! And it works
out cheaper, too!! I end up with 30 bottles of Shiraz for $77 = $2.50 a
bottle!! Apparently, it's pretty good after about 6 months bottle age.

I got the Vintners Reserve Australian Shiraz

http://tinyurl.com/h4l79

You're going to *brew* wine? Methinks you've already been sampling the
finished product more than is good for you at this time of day.

I suppose I should be careful what I say since I have never tasted this
stuff, but then it seems neither have you. It sounds disgusting.

As for being cheaper, there is a glut of grapes at the moment. $77 would
probably buy you a truckload or three. Plenty of people make their own
wine without resorting to importing "concentrate" from Canada.

Chacun a son gout!

Christine

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Got the still going at the moment, trying to regulate the water to

keep

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it at an even 90-91c. Going to start making the spirits for the party

in

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August :-)

And have just put on a batch of 'monkey blood' aka Australian Shiraz.
Funny thing is, the Canuks take our grapes over there, process them

and

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then sell it back to us so that we can brew it up at home!! And it

works

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out cheaper, too!! I end up with 30 bottles of Shiraz for $77 = $2.50

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bottle!! Apparently, it's pretty good after about 6 months bottle age.

I got the Vintners Reserve Australian Shiraz

http://tinyurl.com/h4l79

You're going to *brew* wine? Methinks you've already been sampling the
finished product more than is good for you at this time of day.

PFFFFFFFT!!!! Don't knock it till you try it, Ol'Ma'Ash.

Besides......... how the *hell* do you think they get wine anyway??!!

They *brew* it (ie, ferment it).

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I suppose I should be careful what I say since I have never tasted

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stuff,

'Be careful'....... *now*?? Too frikken late!!

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but then it seems neither have you.

I have tasted plenty of wine........ it has all gone thru' the same
process that I am doing at the moment. You're obviously a non-wine
drinker?

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It sounds disgusting.

So does sucking the viscous fluid out of a sheeps eyeball...... but it's
not that bad when you get your head around it!!

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As for being cheaper, there is a glut of grapes at the moment. $77

would

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probably buy you a truckload or three.

And *where* exactly, am I going to process approx 6tonne of grapes?
*And* store the juice while it ferments, *and* clean it out, *and* then
bottle approx 6500 bottles???

(All figures plucked out of my bum, BTW, but you get what I mean, don't
you?)

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Plenty of people make their own
wine without resorting to importing "concentrate" from Canada.

PIFFLE!!

I want to make 30 bottles, and if it is good (as I am quite sure it will
be), I want to make 30 more, then 30 more.

Then that will be enough for the party in August.

Then, if it's good stuff, as I assume it will be........ I'll progress
to making other wines. Whites, coolers, fortifieds etc, etc.

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Chacun a son gout!

Eggzackrey. Don't knock it till you've tried it!!

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

At this spectacle even the most gentle must feel savage, and the most
savage must weep.

Turkish Officer
400 Plateau
24May1915

LucasP said:

Besides......... how the *hell* do you think they get wine anyway??!!

They *brew* it (ie, ferment it).

You need to look up the meaning of the word "brew", since brewing and
fermentation are different processing. Heck, if you're being
pedantic, you don't even brew beer, you brew wort, and then ferment
that to become beer.

I wouldn't touch wine that's been "brewed", or had anything other than
a brief heat pasteurization (and that's pushing it as well)---the heat
does too many bad things.

Rich (who makes his own beer and wine, but never brews wine).

--
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Besides......... how the *hell* do you think they get wine anyway??!!

They *brew* it (ie, ferment it).

You need to look up the meaning of the word "brew", since brewing and
fermentation are different processing. Heck, if you're being
pedantic, you don't even brew beer, you brew wort, and then ferment
that to become beer.

I wouldn't touch wine that's been "brewed", or had anything other than
a brief heat pasteurization (and that's pushing it as well)---the heat
does too many bad things.

Rich (who makes his own beer and wine, but never brews wine).

Keeerist almighty, but there are some pedantic people out there!!

It is home brew wine, made in much the same way as home brew beer.

Home brew as we *Aussies* know it.

2lt of warm water, stir in some bentonite, add the contents of a 7lt bag
of grape juice concentrate, wash the bag out and fill the container to
23lts.
When the temp is between 18-24c, sprinkle the yeast over the top, don't
stir, cover and wait for about 7 days for fermentation to cease. Then
you proceed with secondary fermentation.

That's home "brewing".

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

At this spectacle even the most gentle must feel savage, and the most
savage must weep.

Turkish Officer
400 Plateau
24May1915

LucasP said:

Richard Kaszeta <[email hidden]> wrote in
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LucasP said:

Besides......... how the *hell* do you think they get wine anyway??!!

They *brew* it (ie, ferment it).

You need to look up the meaning of the word "brew", since brewing and
fermentation are different processing. Heck, if you're being
pedantic, you don't even brew beer, you brew wort, and then ferment
that to become beer.

I wouldn't touch wine that's been "brewed", or had anything other than
a brief heat pasteurization (and that's pushing it as well)---the heat
does too many bad things.

Rich (who makes his own beer and wine, but never brews wine).

Keeerist almighty, but there are some pedantic people out there!!

It is home brew wine, made in much the same way as home brew beer.

Home brew as we *Aussies* know it.

2lt of warm water, stir in some bentonite, add the contents of a 7lt bag
of grape juice concentrate, wash the bag out and fill the container to
23lts.
When the temp is between 18-24c, sprinkle the yeast over the top, don't
stir, cover and wait for about 7 days for fermentation to cease. Then
you proceed with secondary fermentation.

That's home "brewing".

Well, I think that the agricultural colleges can close down the oenology
diploma courses right now! What could be simpler? Even a Brisbanite can
manage it.

What's the alcohol content of the finished product?

Christine

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LucasP said:

Besides......... how the *hell* do you think they get wine anyway??!!

They *brew* it (ie, ferment it).

You need to look up the meaning of the word "brew", since brewing and
fermentation are different processing. Heck, if you're being
pedantic, you don't even brew beer, you brew wort, and then ferment
that to become beer.

I wouldn't touch wine that's been "brewed", or had anything other than
a brief heat pasteurization (and that's pushing it as well)---the heat
does too many bad things.

Rich (who makes his own beer and wine, but never brews wine).

Keeerist almighty, but there are some pedantic people out there!!

It is home brew wine, made in much the same way as home brew beer.

Home brew as we *Aussies* know it.

*You* Aussie might. I certainly don't, and agree with the Yanks.

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>Besides......... how the *hell* do you think they get wine

anyway??!!

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You need to look up the meaning of the word "brew", since brewing and
fermentation are different processing. Heck, if you're being
pedantic, you don't even brew beer, you brew wort, and then ferment
that to become beer.

I wouldn't touch wine that's been "brewed", or had anything other

than

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a brief heat pasteurization (and that's pushing it as well)---the

heat

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does too many bad things.

Rich (who makes his own beer and wine, but never brews wine).

Keeerist almighty, but there are some pedantic people out there!!

It is home brew wine, made in much the same way as home brew beer.

Home brew as we *Aussies* know it.

2lt of warm water, stir in some bentonite, add the contents of a 7lt

bag

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of grape juice concentrate, wash the bag out and fill the container to
23lts.
When the temp is between 18-24c, sprinkle the yeast over the top,

don't

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stir, cover and wait for about 7 days for fermentation to cease. Then
you proceed with secondary fermentation.

That's home "brewing".

Well, I think that the agricultural colleges can close down the

oenology

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diploma courses right now!

And to think I was actually toying with the idea of doing one of those
courses :-)

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What could be simpler? Even a Brisbanite can
manage it.

Well, it was made with Canuks in mind, so I think most people in the
world (except for anyone from Texass) would be able to do it ;-P

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What's the alcohol content of the finished product?

Should be about the same as any normal wine.
Before bottling, the wine has to have a specific gravity of 0.996 or
less. Maybe someone with more intimate knowledge of those sort of things
can let us know what alcohol content that gravity reading will give?

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

At this spectacle even the most gentle must feel savage, and the most
savage must weep.

Turkish Officer
400 Plateau
24May1915

Old Mother Ashby said:

Well, I think that the agricultural colleges can close down the
oenology diploma courses right now! What could be simpler? Even a
Brisbanite can manage it.

You gotta remember Australia evolved from a penal colony. Hard to
shake that ol' pruno mindset.

nb

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LucasP said:

Besides......... how the *hell* do you think they get wine anyway??!!

They *brew* it (ie, ferment it).

You need to look up the meaning of the word "brew", since brewing and
fermentation are different processing. Heck, if you're being
pedantic, you don't even brew beer, you brew wort, and then ferment
that to become beer.

I wouldn't touch wine that's been "brewed", or had anything other than
a brief heat pasteurization (and that's pushing it as well)---the heat
does too many bad things.

Rich (who makes his own beer and wine, but never brews wine).

Keeerist almighty, but there are some pedantic people out there!!

It is home brew wine, made in much the same way as home brew beer.

Home brew as we *Aussies* know it.

Is it something like in here: http://www.grainandgrape.com.au/

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2lt of warm water, stir in some bentonite, add the contents of a 7lt bag
of grape juice concentrate, wash the bag out and fill the container to
23lts.
When the temp is between 18-24c, sprinkle the yeast over the top, don't
stir, cover and wait for about 7 days for fermentation to cease. Then
you proceed with secondary fermentation.

That's home "brewing".

Good luck with it. :-)

--
Regards Erik Vastmasd

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Old Mother Ashby said:

Well, I think that the agricultural colleges can close down the
oenology diploma courses right now! What could be simpler? Even a
Brisbanite can manage it.

You gotta remember Australia evolved from a penal colony. Hard to
shake that ol' pruno mindset.

nb

LOL!! I read that quickly and thought you said 'Penile' colony!!

But "ol' pruno mindset"?? Please explain!!

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

At this spectacle even the most gentle must feel savage, and the most
savage must weep.

Turkish Officer
400 Plateau
24May1915

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It is home brew wine, made in much the same way as home brew beer.

Home brew as we *Aussies* know it.

Is it something like in here: http://www.grainandgrape.com.au/

*Exactly* the same........ just cheaper!!

Must be because Melboring is further away from Canada that Brisbane is
:-)

But this is where I got mine from...... because I was down that way
going to a specialty butchers shop :-)

http://www.mikesbrew.com.au/wine.htm

But we have a few others around the place here in Brisbane. I've been to
Annerley, Cleveland and now Beenleigh.

http://www.stillspirits.com/wawcs016263/still_spirits_stockists_-
_oz.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/jga58

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That's home "brewing".

Good luck with it. :-)

Thanks, I'll certainly let you all know in 6 months time what it's like
:-)

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

At this spectacle even the most gentle must feel savage, and the most
savage must weep.

Turkish Officer
400 Plateau
24May1915

LucasP said:

But "ol' pruno mindset"?? Please explain!!

Basically, pruno is prison slang for any bootleg alcoholic beverage.
The term came from using fermented prunes, at one time plentiful in
prison kitchens.

nb ...having no first hand knowledge...

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LucasP said:

But "ol' pruno mindset"?? Please explain!!

Basically, pruno is prison slang for any bootleg alcoholic beverage.
The term came from using fermented prunes, at one time plentiful in
prison kitchens.

I remember in the dim distant past as a young soldier we were all
confined to barracks for about 4 weeks due to an unfortunate incident
(young soldier shot dead at an 'informal' pissup in the barracks), and
weren't allowed to go to the 'boozer'. So one enterprising Digger got a
watermelon, a pair of pantyhose, and a few extra items, and 2&1/2 weeks
later we were drinking watermelon wine/rocket fuel!!

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nb ...having no first hand knowledge...

LOL!! That was going to be my next question!!

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Brisbane
Australia

At this spectacle even the most gentle must feel savage, and the most
savage must weep.

Turkish Officer
400 Plateau
24May1915

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It is home brew wine, made in much the same way as home brew beer.

Home brew as we *Aussies* know it.

Is it something like in here: http://www.grainandgrape.com.au/

*Exactly* the same........ just cheaper!!

Must be because Melboring is further away from Canada that Brisbane is
:-)

We can get Cascade beers fairly cheap in Melbourne otherwise probably
nobody would buy it.

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But this is where I got mine from...... because I was down that way
going to a specialty butchers shop :-)

http://www.mikesbrew.com.au/wine.htm

Mikes is well setup.

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But we have a few others around the place here in Brisbane. I've been to
Annerley, Cleveland and now Beenleigh.

http://www.stillspirits.com/wawcs016263/still_spirits_stockists_-
_oz.html

http://tinyurl.com/jga58

I barely started looking at the above links when a cup of coffee
slammed down next to my keyboard, which might just have been a message
from above telling me something.

--
Regards Erik Vastmasd

Erik Vastmasd said:

On 10 May 2006 21:42:38 GMT, LucasP plucked a feather from Fawkes,
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Richard Kaszeta <[email hidden]> wrote in
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LucasP <[email hidden]> writes:

>Besides......... how the *hell* do you think they get wine anyway??!!
>
>They *brew* it (ie, ferment it).
>
>
You need to look up the meaning of the word "brew", since brewing and
fermentation are different processing. Heck, if you're being
pedantic, you don't even brew beer, you brew wort, and then ferment
that to become beer.

I wouldn't touch wine that's been "brewed", or had anything other than
a brief heat pasteurization (and that's pushing it as well)---the heat
does too many bad things.

Rich (who makes his own beer and wine, but never brews wine).

Keeerist almighty, but there are some pedantic people out there!!

It is home brew wine, made in much the same way as home brew beer.

Home brew as we *Aussies* know it.

Is it something like in here: http://www.grainandgrape.com.au/

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2lt of warm water, stir in some bentonite, add the contents of a 7lt bag
of grape juice concentrate, wash the bag out and fill the container to
23lts.
When the temp is between 18-24c, sprinkle the yeast over the top, don't
stir, cover and wait for about 7 days for fermentation to cease. Then
you proceed with secondary fermentation.

That's home "brewing".

Good luck with it. :-)

Fascinating. I have never heard of making wine out of grape juice
concentrate before this thread. I suppose it's more convenient than
crushing fresh grapes, but I thought that was supposed to be half the
fun, making wine out of grapes that you or a friend have grown.

Our next door neighbour brews his own beer - must ask him if he's
considered wine.

Christine

Christine

notbob said:

LucasP said:

But "ol' pruno mindset"?? Please explain!!

Basically, pruno is prison slang for any bootleg alcoholic beverage.
The term came from using fermented prunes, at one time plentiful in
prison kitchens.

nb ...having no first hand knowledge...

I was thinking of suggesting to Peter that if he wanted to manufacture
rotgut he could manage quite well with veggie peelings, but decided not
to put ideas into his head ;-)

Christine

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>It is home brew wine, made in much the same way as home brew beer.
>
>Home brew as we *Aussies* know it.

Is it something like in here: http://www.grainandgrape.com.au/

*Exactly* the same........ just cheaper!!

Must be because Melboring is further away from Canada that Brisbane is
:-)

We can get Cascade beers fairly cheap in Melbourne otherwise probably
nobody would buy it.

Mmmmmmmmmmm, Cascade Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Boags mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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But this is where I got mine from...... because I was down that way
going to a specialty butchers shop :-)

http://www.mikesbrew.com.au/wine.htm

Mikes is well setup.

Very well set up. Upon arrival, he cracks the fridge open and gives you
a cup of his home brew. And another, and another..... as long as you're
there, and you like it :-)

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But we have a few others around the place here in Brisbane. I've been

to

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Annerley, Cleveland and now Beenleigh.

http://www.stillspirits.com/wawcs016263/still_spirits_stockists_-
_oz.html

http://tinyurl.com/jga58

I barely started looking at the above links when a cup of coffee
slammed down next to my keyboard, which might just have been a message
from above telling me something.

"Get off your [censored] and cook my lunch"?

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

At this spectacle even the most gentle must feel savage, and the most
savage must weep.

Turkish Officer
400 Plateau
24May1915

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notbob said:

LucasP said:

But "ol' pruno mindset"?? Please explain!!

Basically, pruno is prison slang for any bootleg alcoholic beverage.
The term came from using fermented prunes, at one time plentiful in
prison kitchens.

nb ...having no first hand knowledge...

I was thinking of suggesting to Peter that if he wanted to

manufacture

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rotgut he could manage quite well with veggie peelings, but decided

not

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to put ideas into his head ;-)

You're *waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay* too late for that one Christine :-)

After the 'watermelon rocket fuel' experiment, we tried the vege
peelings.

Then we decide that enough was enough.
Mind you, this was before the advent of mobile phones, so we had to
sneak out and call someone who had a landline, to go around to a friends
place and get her to sneak us in some booze!!

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

At this spectacle even the most gentle must feel savage, and the most
savage must weep.

Turkish Officer
400 Plateau
24May1915

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Fascinating. I have never heard of making wine out of grape juice
concentrate before this thread.

You need to visit more home brew shops :-)

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

At this spectacle even the most gentle must feel savage, and the most
savage must weep.

Turkish Officer
400 Plateau
24May1915