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  1. sf <[email hidden]>
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    Quoted message said:

    I found this on another news group today.
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11925653 It's something that will strike
    fear into the hearts of many parents.

    You'll need to use IE (MSNBC doesn't support other browser) and you
    have to tolerate a brief advertisement; carry on; stiff upper lip....

    The rest is eye opening human behavior. Please pay attention to the
    explanation.

    Kind of frightning but the end result was uplifting. Personally I would
    have gotten involved. If nothing else I would have called 911 and followed
    the man. It's a hard call though. Some kids are just brats and with the
    laws today; many kids know they can cause trouble for the parent(s). It's
    a hard call but as the man said; Better safe than sorry. Best to take some
    kind of action.

    Michael

  2. "Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    sf <[email hidden]>
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    I found this on another news group today.
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11925653 It's something that will strike
    fear into the hearts of many parents.

    You'll need to use IE (MSNBC doesn't support other browser) and you
    have to tolerate a brief advertisement; carry on; stiff upper lip....

    The rest is eye opening human behavior. Please pay attention to the
    explanation.

    Kind of frightning but the end result was uplifting. Personally I would
    have gotten involved. If nothing else I would have called 911 and followed
    the man. It's a hard call though. Some kids are just brats and with the
    laws today; many kids know they can cause trouble for the parent(s). It's
    a hard call but as the man said; Better safe than sorry. Best to take some
    kind of action.

    Michael

    I would *much* rather the parents be inconvenienced when questioned by the police,
    than let a kidnapper get away with someone's kid. No contest, if you ask me.

    kimberly

  3. Michael \'Dog3\' Lonergan said:

    Kind of frightning but the end result was uplifting. Personally I would
    have gotten involved. If nothing else I would have called 911 and followed
    the man. It's a hard call though. Some kids are just brats and with the
    laws today; many kids know they can cause trouble for the parent(s). It's
    a hard call but as the man said; Better safe than sorry. Best to take some
    kind of action.

    I once got involved when my wife and I suspected a problem. The kid was yelling
    and screaming. It was long ago and I don't remember what the kid was yelling,
    or didn't hear it because it was muffled as the kid was being stuffed into the
    back seat. We phoned the police, gave them a licence number and vehicle
    description. The police called back, thanked us for the report, gave some
    feedback on the investigation....... bratty kid.

  4. Dave Smith <[email hidden]>
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    Quoted message said:


    I once got involved when my wife and I suspected a problem. The kid
    was yelling and screaming. It was long ago and I don't remember what
    the kid was yelling, or didn't hear it because it was muffled as the
    kid was being stuffed into the back seat. We phoned the police, gave
    them a licence number and vehicle description. The police called back,
    thanked us for the report, gave some feedback on the
    investigation....... bratty kid.

    Thankfully that's all it was. I would have done the same thing. I'd
    rather risk the ire of a parent than not take some kind of action.

    Michael

  5. Michael \'Dog3\' Lonergan said:


    Quoted message said:

    I once got involved when my wife and I suspected a problem. The kid
    was yelling and screaming. It was long ago and I don't remember what
    the kid was yelling, or didn't hear it because it was muffled as the
    kid was being stuffed into the back seat. We phoned the police, gave
    them a licence number and vehicle description. The police called back,
    thanked us for the report, gave some feedback on the
    investigation....... bratty kid.

    Thankfully that's all it was. I would have done the same thing. I'd
    rather risk the ire of a parent than not take some kind of action.

    I also once intervened in a fight between a man and a woman. I saw the
    scuffle going on, called police on the cell phone and went back, got out of
    the car and just about got punched out. The police showed up, put the guy
    in handcuffs and stuffed him into the back of the cruiser. The wide made her
    escape. She went running back to the bar a few doors down and got into a
    fight with another woman. As it turned out, she was quite drunk and rowdy
    and her husband / boyfriend <?> was trying to restrain her and get her away
    from the fight.

  6. Dave Smith said:


    Michael \'Dog3\' Lonergan said:

    Kind of frightning but the end result was uplifting. Personally I would
    have gotten involved. If nothing else I would have called 911 and followed
    the man. It's a hard call though. Some kids are just brats and with the
    laws today; many kids know they can cause trouble for the parent(s). It's
    a hard call but as the man said; Better safe than sorry. Best to take some
    kind of action.

    I once got involved when my wife and I suspected a problem. The kid was yelling
    and screaming. It was long ago and I don't remember what the kid was yelling,
    or didn't hear it because it was muffled as the kid was being stuffed into the
    back seat. We phoned the police, gave them a licence number and vehicle
    description. The police called back, thanked us for the report, gave some
    feedback on the investigation....... bratty kid.


    I haven't actually looked at the thing - there is an IE "security issue"
    again at the moment, but I have gathered from the comments here what its
    about... I still think you did the right thing.... Judging by how many
    kids are reported "missing" in our country every week, it doesn't hurt
    to be careful, IMHO. They have a regular TV program about it here and it
    makes for very scary stuff... not too many of them are "found".

    --
    Cheers
    Chatty Cathy

  7. Michael 'Dog3' Lonergan said:


    Kind of frightning but the end result was uplifting. Personally I would
    have gotten involved. If nothing else I would have called 911 and followed
    the man. It's a hard call though. Some kids are just brats and with the
    laws today; many kids know they can cause trouble for the parent(s). It's
    a hard call but as the man said; Better safe than sorry. Best to take some
    kind of action.

    Michael

    I don't use IE, and never would, but in another group most of the Moms
    said the child's reaction wasn't really indicative of a true abduction
    - not enough panic and the reactions isn't what one would expect from a
    child truly being abducted.
    -L.

  8. "-L." <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I don't use IE, and never would, but in another group most of the Moms
    said the child's reaction wasn't really indicative of a true abduction
    - not enough panic and the reactions isn't what one would expect from a
    child truly being abducted.

    I was wondering if knowing what it was about skewed my
    perception, I thought the same thing. Even going in I thought,
    people are probably picking up on something subtle that made
    them think it wasn't what it appeared to be.

    Having said that, the woman they talked to said she thought
    someone else would step in. Why she thought that, I don't
    know, I was having trouble seeing the clip, too.

    nancy

  9. "-L." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Michael 'Dog3' Lonergan said:


    Kind of frightning but the end result was uplifting. Personally I would
    have gotten involved. If nothing else I would have called 911 and
    followed
    the man. It's a hard call though. Some kids are just brats and with the
    laws today; many kids know they can cause trouble for the parent(s).
    It's
    a hard call but as the man said; Better safe than sorry. Best to take
    some
    kind of action.

    Michael

    I don't use IE, and never would, but in another group most of the Moms
    said the child's reaction wasn't really indicative of a true abduction
    - not enough panic and the reactions isn't what one would expect from a
    child truly being abducted.
    -L.

    How do they know?

    Jani

  10. "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "-L." <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I don't use IE, and never would, but in another group most of the Moms
    said the child's reaction wasn't really indicative of a true abduction
    - not enough panic and the reactions isn't what one would expect from a
    child truly being abducted.

    I was wondering if knowing what it was about skewed my
    perception, I thought the same thing. Even going in I thought,
    people are probably picking up on something subtle that made
    them think it wasn't what it appeared to be.

    I don't think it was particularly subtle; it's more what other people have
    said, that's it's difficult to tell on a quick walk-past whether it's a
    genuine case of a child in danger or just a family spat.

    What I *did* pick up on was that it's not so much what the child says, as
    how s/he says it. "You're not my dad!" is aimed at the individual, meaning
    "you're only my mum's boyfriend, you can't boss me about", etc. "I don't
    know this man, help me, call the police!" is aimed directly at the
    passers-by, with eye-contact *at the individual people going past*, not
    directed at the person holding on to you. Mention "dad", and they shut down;
    focus on the abductor, and they think "brat", and shut down.

    Quoted message said:


    Having said that, the woman they talked to said she thought
    someone else would step in. Why she thought that, I don't
    know, I was having trouble seeing the clip, too.

    As the chap in the discussion afterwards said, it's "bystander effect".
    Everyone assumes that *someone else* will do something about it. In the
    Kitty Genovese case, which is where the term comes from, the residents of a
    whole block of flats watched a rape-murder from their windows, and no-one
    called the police because they all thought someone else would do so. None of
    them could really explain why their call would somehow invalidate other
    calls, or why more than one person somehow isn't "allowed" to dial 999 about
    the same incident.

    Jani

  11. Jani said:

    "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "-L." <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I don't use IE, and never would, but in another group most of the Moms
    said the child's reaction wasn't really indicative of a true abduction
    - not enough panic and the reactions isn't what one would expect from a
    child truly being abducted.

    I was wondering if knowing what it was about skewed my
    perception, I thought the same thing. Even going in I thought,
    people are probably picking up on something subtle that made
    them think it wasn't what it appeared to be.

    I don't think it was particularly subtle; it's more what other people have
    said, that's it's difficult to tell on a quick walk-past whether it's a
    genuine case of a child in danger or just a family spat.

    What I *did* pick up on was that it's not so much what the child says, as
    how s/he says it. "You're not my dad!" is aimed at the individual, meaning
    "you're only my mum's boyfriend, you can't boss me about", etc. "I don't
    know this man, help me, call the police!" is aimed directly at the
    passers-by, with eye-contact *at the individual people going past*, not
    directed at the person holding on to you. Mention "dad", and they shut down;
    focus on the abductor, and they think "brat", and shut down.

    Quoted message said:

    Having said that, the woman they talked to said she thought
    someone else would step in. Why she thought that, I don't
    know, I was having trouble seeing the clip, too.

    As the chap in the discussion afterwards said, it's "bystander effect".
    Everyone assumes that *someone else* will do something about it. In the
    Kitty Genovese case, which is where the term comes from, the residents of a
    whole block of flats watched a rape-murder from their windows, and no-one
    called the police because they all thought someone else would do so. None of
    them could really explain why their call would somehow invalidate other
    calls, or why more than one person somehow isn't "allowed" to dial 999 about
    the same incident.

    Jani

    Yeesh! When it comes to violence, I won't hesitate to call 911!
    My dogs woke me up barking once at about 2am (this was before I started
    working night shifts). I went to check on them and I heard two guys
    arguing across the street from my house, then the unmistakable sound of
    fists hitting flesh.

    The only issue I had is that the 911 operator kept me on the phone until
    the police arrived. That was kind of a pain.

    And the police did not even try to talk to me. They just dealt with the
    two guys beating the [censored] out of each other.

    <shrugs>

    I'll still call things in. ;-)

    Om

  12. Jani said:

    How do they know?

    Jani

    Insight into human behavior, mothers' inutition and experience, gut
    feeling. The thread is in misc.kids if you ant to read it. It's
    titled "Who will help your child" or something like that - it died
    yesterday or the day before.

    -L.

  13. "-L." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I don't use IE, and never would, but in another group most of the Moms
    said the child's reaction wasn't really indicative of a true abduction
    - not enough panic and the reactions isn't what one would expect from a
    child truly being abducted.
    -L.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    How do they know?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Jani

    Quoted message said:


    Insight into human behavior, mothers' inutition and experience, gut
    feeling. The thread is in misc.kids if you ant to read it. It's
    titled "Who will help your child" or something like that - it died
    yesterday or the day before.

    *goes to look*

    OK, so none of them actually *knew* how a child being abducted would react.

    Interesting to see that one side of the debate complains that children
    screech all the time anyway (so how is anyone supposed to know when they're
    really in trouble), and the other side says they don't scream loud enough
    (so how is anyone to know that they're really in trouble).

    I agree with those who said "intervene and call the police *anyway*". If it
    really is the parent, step-parent or whatever, the worse that happens is
    embarrassment. If it isn't, then you avert a genuine tragedy.

    And I have to say, I really liked the idea that the two guys who *did* go in
    could only have been doing so because they were too young to have children
    of their own, and therefore hadn't yet learned that all small girls being
    dragged screaming along the street by large men are just daughters having a
    tantrum. I'll pass that on to my son, and inform him that because of his age
    and non-parent status, he must always apply a similar policy of
    non-intervention if he's ever in a similar situation. Somehow, I don't think
    he'll take much notice, though.

    Jani

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