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  1. I went down to Casey Fields (Cranbourne) on Sunday arvo after a bit of
    a tootle around the comm games MTB course at blisterfield. Wanted to
    have a real look at it before we race on it next w'end. It's about a
    50 min drive from Vermont to the venue in low traffic. I expect about
    a 2 hour ride to get there. I'll allow 3 the first time 🙂

    It looks pretty good as a track - the corners are broad and can be
    ridden fast, and it's not quite pefectly flat, but has no real hill to
    speak of. It's 2.2km long as a sort of cross between a boomerang and a
    hotdog course. The course can be split into two 1.1km courses which is
    good - possible to run multiple grades on shorter courses if required.
    It's a proper road, 6m wide - same width as a normal 1 lane in each
    direction road with no shoulder. Plenty of room for a single grade,
    but will require management if/when grades overtake. Not nearly as
    much of an issue as at the Kew loop, but not as nice as Sandown or
    Glenvale. Being able to split the grades however (albeit for a
    considerably shorter track) is a big plus - in particular for junior
    racing etc. Running split grades (A & C, D & B) and rolling
    commisaires to neutralise the lower grade when being overtaken will
    solve that problem with no major problems, I'd expect.

    It's very exposed, no trees around it at all, it's basically in the
    middle of a swamp (or it was on Sunday in the rain anyway!). Very
    windy... and the road in is unsealed and according to Mal Sawford (CCCC
    president) it will remain unsealed. Not a nice road to ride in on on a
    roady at the moment, it's clay. Wet clay ... slippery. So riding
    there will be ok except for the ride through the Casey Fields grounds
    itself. There's no shelter facility - no toilet nearby - the nearest
    toilet is probably one of the football/soccer pavilions which is some
    considerable walk away from the course. A covered pavilion would be a
    big plus there. Race organisers will probably want to provide a toilet
    and a tent of some form for themselves.

  2. Here's a map of the place. The crit course is at the bottom of the map
    (the far southern end of the map) :

    http://www.casey.vic.gov.au/caseyfields/article.asp?Item=3596

  3. Bleve said:

    Here's a map of the place. The crit course is at the bottom of the map
    (the far southern end of the map) :

    http://www.casey.vic.gov.au/caseyfields/article.asp?Item=3596

    WOW! Look at that Casey Logo. Whoever designed that is good 🙄

  4. Pity about it having no hills. 🙂

    Are they planning on using this circuit for road racing distances
    (50-100km) during the winter?
    Could get pretty boring, especially with no hills, over 2-3hrs of
    racing.

    Other than that, I like the idea of misjudging one of the corners and
    ending up in a swamp.

    -Andres.

  5. Bleve said:

    Here's a map of the place. The crit course is at the bottom of the map
    (the far southern end of the map) :

    casey.vic.gov.auarticle.asp

    yeah, checked this out some time ago, there's really even space for a velodrome next to the crit course on one of those ovals (like Cheslea's), I see, bet they didnt have that in the master plan!

    good to see an initiative, just hope they keep going and finish it as a useful facility and a true benefit to cycling, and not an excuse to say, "why give you guys facillities when you won't use it", cos it does stand a real chance of being dismissed by many ...I'm sure the clubs will work out the best way to run events as youve suggested...not a big deal, just a change to their comfort zones.

    down the track when they finish nearby construction do some effective landscaping and make improvements to the amenities , access, parking, layout, viewing, and what not envisaged in the master plan it could be something, meantime we hang on and try not to get caught on the soft sticky muddy shoulders.

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Andres said:

    Pity about it having no hills. 🙂

    Are they planning on using this circuit for road racing distances
    (50-100km) during the winter?
    Could get pretty boring, especially with no hills, over 2-3hrs of
    racing.

    One of the main things it was planned for was HPV events. HPV racing is
    very big in several of the schools in Casey, with one of them regularly
    cleaning up at the national races. But HPVs aren't noted for their
    hill-climbing ability.

    --
    Shane Stanley

  7. Shane Stanley said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Andres said:

    Pity about it having no hills. 🙂

    Are they planning on using this circuit for road racing distances
    (50-100km) during the winter?
    Could get pretty boring, especially with no hills, over 2-3hrs of
    racing.

    One of the main things it was planned for was HPV events. HPV racing is
    very big in several of the schools in Casey, with one of them regularly
    cleaning up at the national races. But HPVs aren't noted for their
    hill-climbing ability.

    --
    Shane Stanley

    They race human papilloma virus?

  8. sinus said:

    They race human papilloma virus?

    ...symptoms are: facial hair. woollen socks. stunted height 😄

    F"wants to try one tho"Dutch

  9. flyingdutch said:

    ...symptoms are: facial hair. woollen socks. stunted height 😄

    F"wants to try one tho"Dutch


    Ah yes, the people who got sick of jokes about lying down on the job so renamed their sport after a sexually transmitted disease.

  10. Night racing?
    Or is racing road bikes in the dark against a rule?

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    sinus said:

    They race human papilloma virus?

    Try <http://www.cchpvcc.org.au/> and <http://www.ozhpv.org.au/>

    --
    Shane Stanley

  12. rooman said:
    Bleve said:

    Here's a map of the place. The crit course is at the bottom of the map
    (the far southern end of the map) :

    http://www.casey.vic.gov.au/caseyfields/article.asp?Item=3596

    yeah, checked this out some time ago, there's really even space for a
    velodrome next to the crit course on one of those ovals (like
    Cheslea's), I see, bet they didnt have that in the master plan!

    I'd like to see a sealed path from the entrance to the track. Not
    necessarily the road, but a bike path would be good. I prefer to ride
    to races when I can, but that last 2km is ... unpleasant.

    Quoted message said:

    good to see an initiative, just hope they keep going and finish it as a
    useful facility and a true benefit to cycling, and not an excuse to say,
    "why give you guys facillities when you won't use it", cos it does stand
    a real chance of being dismissed by many ...I'm sure the clubs will work
    out the best way to run events as youve suggested...not a big deal, just
    a change to their comfort zones.

    There'll be a lot of experimenting with it I hope, and we'll make
    something work. It's a nice track, it's just in outer woop woop, and
    not that many riders, I think, will be keen to drive for over an hour
    each way to ride a crit.

    It would make an *excellent* cyclocross facility though .... mud, road
    ... sealed road ...

    Quoted message said:

    down the track when they finish nearby construction do some effective
    landscaping and make improvements to the amenities , access, parking,
    layout, viewing, and what not envisaged in the master plan it could be
    something, meantime we hang on and try not to get caught on the soft
    sticky muddy shoulders.

    It's better to hit mud than a gutter, IMO 🙂

  13. Andres said:

    Pity about it having no hills. 🙂

    Are they planning on using this circuit for road racing distances
    (50-100km) during the winter?

    I don't know, but I doubt it at this stage. If you like the idea, then
    suggest it to your club and see what they say. Maybe get involved even
    🙂

    Quoted message said:

    Could get pretty boring, especially with no hills, over 2-3hrs of
    racing.

    The interesting part of a road race is not the road, it's the dynamics
    of the bunch and what happens tactically. Having a big crosswind could
    make that a very interesting circuit indeed.

  14. quote='Bleve'rooman said:
    Bleve said:

    Here's a map of the place. The crit course is at the bottom of the map
    (the far southern end of the map) :

    casey.vic.gov.auarticle.asp

    ....

    It would make an *excellent* cyclocross facility though .... mud, road
    ... sealed road ...

    ...

    It's better to hit mud than a gutter, IMO 🙂[/QUOTE]
    actually, cyclocross, yeah might be the thing that gives it a more local promo, though I hate getting my bikes covered in crud, but if I had a set up for a cyclocross indestructo hose down job...great

    agree with you on gutters, I'm more directed to them making the shoulders at least firmer, gutters are a no no , not just that they cause many an end to end & roll over the handlebars on street crit circuits, but from an engineering point of view they direct and concentrate water flow requiring a disposal system...many streets often dont need them , especially in sandy soil areas around beaches and coastal districts where the water gets away easily, with gutters they have to dig everything up and stick in massive drains and then find a sump or pit to drain it all to and waste the water, needed in some places, but I think councils and urban planners go overboard for the sake of modernity to demand gutters in new estates...TMHO...rave rave rave

    oh yeah ...the word for the Millenium is ...Bicycle... now I feel better

  15. Marx SS said:

    Night racing?
    Or is racing road bikes in the dark against a rule?

    I can't see why not, bunch riding would get a bit tricky though. Bags
    not paying the liability insurance 🙂

  16. flyingdutch said:

    ..symptoms are: facial hair. woollen socks. stunted height 😄

    I'm trying to work out if I get in more trouble for saying Zebee isn't
    *that* short, or that Zebee doesn't have *that* much facial hair.

    Zebee's a top bloke though!

    --
    Dave Hughes | [email hidden]
    Lithospheric flight paths typically result in extremely high drag
    coefficients, often quite a bit in excess of design parameters.
    - Rick Dickinson

  17. sinus said:

    Ah yes, the people who got sick of jokes about lying down on the job so
    renamed their sport after a sexually transmitted disease.

    Huh? When did rowing change its name?
    Or weren't you talking about Sally Robbins?

    --
    Dave Hughes | [email hidden]
    Lithospheric flight paths typically result in extremely high drag
    coefficients, often quite a bit in excess of design parameters.
    - Rick Dickinson

  18. On 2006-05-02, sinus (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:
    Shane Stanley said:

    One of the main things it was planned for was HPV events. HPV racing is
    very big in several of the schools in Casey, with one of them regularly
    cleaning up at the national races. But HPVs aren't noted for their
    hill-climbing ability.

    They race human papilloma virus?

    Have you ever raced yabbies? Or is that just a country thing?

    --
    TimC
    "On a clear disk, you can seek forever..."

  19. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Bleve said:

    it's just in outer woop woop

    As in slap-bang in the middle of the fastest-growing region in the
    country. Councils catering to local riders should be encouraged, IMO,
    especially when they're trying to cater to young riders.

    --
    Shane Stanley

  20. Shane Stanley said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Bleve said:

    it's just in outer woop woop

    As in slap-bang in the middle of the fastest-growing region in the
    country. Councils catering to local riders should be encouraged, IMO,
    especially when they're trying to cater to young riders.

    --
    Shane Stanley

    Well, it would be the fastest growing if there wasn't anyone living there before... Anyhow - congratulations to the local council for having the wisdom to provide a facility for cycling. Maybe city councils closer to Melbourne could follow Casey's example...

    Ritch

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