wheel upgrade advice

jim said:

looking for advice on upgrade from kyserium sl to... ?

I'm 80kg

Doing 250 - 300 km per week

Dedicated but plodding hill climber

Need to balance weight-weenie-ness with durability

Clicher prefered

Currently riding all pizza fittings

Stick with Ksyriums. Some good races have been won on them.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/jun04/dauphine/index.php?id=stage4/RSventoux-mayo

Jeff

Jeff Jones said:

jim said:

looking for advice on upgrade from kyserium sl to... ?

I'm 80kg

Doing 250 - 300 km per week

Dedicated but plodding hill climber

Need to balance weight-weenie-ness with durability

Clicher prefered

Currently riding all pizza fittings

Stick with Ksyriums. Some good races have been won on them.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2004/jun04/dauphine/index.php?id=stage4/RSventoux-mayo

Yeah but didn't the earth open up and swallow him right after that?
Something like that. The wheels may have been responsible for that
giant hole he disappeared into.

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Quoted message said:

looking for advice on upgrade from kyserium sl to... ?

I'm 80kg

Doing 250 - 300 km per week

Dedicated but plodding hill climber

Need to balance weight-weenie-ness with durability

Clicher prefered

Currently riding all pizza fittings

Cheers

Shimano R-500s are durable, relatively light and not at all expensive. I
have close to 5000 miles on a set and haven't had to true them even once.
All the workings are standard and easily replaced and repaired if need be,
unlike some of the other specialty wheelsets. My weight runs between 188 and
192 pounds.

Having a custom wheelset built something along the lines of 32 hole Ultegra
hubs laced to open pros or even MA3s, if money is really tight, will serve
you well for years if built by a good builder.

Hope this helps.

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jim said:

looking for advice on upgrade from kyserium sl to... ?

I'm 80kg

Doing 250 - 300 km per week

Dedicated but plodding hill climber

Are you racing? You'd think that was a dumb question in rbr, but...check
the archived posts for why I might ask a dumb question.

Quoted message said:

Need to balance weight-weenie-ness with durability

Clicher prefered

What do you hope to gain?

While I'm at it, actually, what's the attraction of Ksyriums? As far as
I can tell they're not especially light, not especially aero, use magic
spokes, proprietary rims and hubs, and even need the special Mavic tool
to adjust the spokes.

What do they offer versus something mildly racy like a set of wheels
with 18/24 bladed spokes laced into made-in-Taiwan cartridge hubs and
rims of about the same depth as the Ksyriums?

The Elites are only about as expensive as the rims I quote above, and
weigh more. SSC SLs weigh about the same, but cost considerably more
than the benchmark wheels. Admittedly, I haven't weighed my rim tape, so
maybe they make it up there.

My recommendation is to upgrade to the shiniest wheels you can afford.
These will offer the greatest placebo effect, which is the most
important performance aspect of any lightweight wheel.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

Ryan Cousineau a écrit :

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In article <[email hidden]>,

jim said:

looking for advice on upgrade from kyserium sl to... ?

I'm 80kg

Doing 250 - 300 km per week

Dedicated but plodding hill climber

Are you racing? You'd think that was a dumb question in rbr, but...check
the archived posts for why I might ask a dumb question.

Quoted message said:

Need to balance weight-weenie-ness with durability

Clicher prefered

What do you hope to gain?

While I'm at it, actually, what's the attraction of Ksyriums? As far as
I can tell they're not especially light, not especially aero, use magic
spokes, proprietary rims and hubs, and even need the special Mavic tool
to adjust the spokes.

What do they offer versus something mildly racy like a set of wheels
with 18/24 bladed spokes laced into made-in-Taiwan cartridge hubs and
rims of about the same depth as the Ksyriums?

The Elites are only about as expensive as the rims I quote above, and
weigh more. SSC SLs weigh about the same, but cost considerably more
than the benchmark wheels. Admittedly, I haven't weighed my rim tape, so
maybe they make it up there.

My recommendation is to upgrade to the shiniest wheels you can afford.
These will offer the greatest placebo effect, which is the most
important performance aspect of any lightweight wheel.

Some people find that the measure of a wheel is not the static one
sitting before you, but rather the one which is moving and reacting
under you. Ksyrium has a reputation of a responsive wheel, returning
the energy you put in, not abusively harsh to ride, suitably flexible in
front. In short, those things you can appreciate when it's in use.

The cost of the wheels is huge, for me. And I'm not so sure I could
find a better wheel where I could take advantage of the marginal
differences. Maybe the OP is modest about his abilities, and can take
that kind of advantage. And if he can afford it, and find it, why not
offer him advice that's apt ?

You and I probably can't really offer personal experience, would you
agree ? So maybe someone else who is help out. I would if I could, but
I can't.
--
Bonne route !

Sandy

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Sandy said:

Ryan Cousineau a écrit :

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

jim said:

looking for advice on upgrade from kyserium sl to... ?

I'm 80kg

Doing 250 - 300 km per week

Dedicated but plodding hill climber

Are you racing? You'd think that was a dumb question in rbr, but...check
the archived posts for why I might ask a dumb question.

Quoted message said:

Need to balance weight-weenie-ness with durability

Clicher prefered

What do you hope to gain?

While I'm at it, actually, what's the attraction of Ksyriums? As far as
I can tell they're not especially light, not especially aero, use magic
spokes, proprietary rims and hubs, and even need the special Mavic tool
to adjust the spokes.

What do they offer versus something mildly racy like a set of wheels
with 18/24 bladed spokes laced into made-in-Taiwan cartridge hubs and
rims of about the same depth as the Ksyriums?

The Elites are only about as expensive as the rims I quote above, and
weigh more. SSC SLs weigh about the same, but cost considerably more
than the benchmark wheels. Admittedly, I haven't weighed my rim tape, so
maybe they make it up there.

My recommendation is to upgrade to the shiniest wheels you can afford.
These will offer the greatest placebo effect, which is the most
important performance aspect of any lightweight wheel.

Some people find that the measure of a wheel is not the static one
sitting before you, but rather the one which is moving and reacting
under you. Ksyrium has a reputation of a responsive wheel, returning
the energy you put in, not abusively harsh to ride, suitably flexible in
front. In short, those things you can appreciate when it's in use.

The cost of the wheels is huge, for me. And I'm not so sure I could
find a better wheel where I could take advantage of the marginal
differences. Maybe the OP is modest about his abilities, and can take
that kind of advantage. And if he can afford it, and find it, why not
offer him advice that's apt ?

Because this is not rbt.

--
Michael Press

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Having a custom wheelset built something along the lines of 32 hole Ultegra
hubs laced to open pros or even MA3s, if money is really tight, will serve
you well for years if built by a good builder.

MA3's are [censored], so don't waste your money on them.
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Alex

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In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Having a custom wheelset built something along the lines of 32 hole
Ultegra
hubs laced to open pros or even MA3s, if money is really tight, will serve
you well for years if built by a good builder.

MA3's are [censored], so don't waste your money on them.
---------------
Alex

I know people who have ridden more miles them with no problems (custom
built) as opposed to people with Ksyriums who constantly need to retrue
them--particularly after hitting anything resembling a bump. But the point
was one of economy if the original poster was short of money as some people
are. Personally, I have wheels sets built with Open Pro and MA3. The MA3s
are great for winter riding in the slop. Folks in the UK are less drawn by
hype than some folks on the side of the world.

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MA3's are [censored], so don't waste your money on them.
---------------
Alex

I agree. They seem to work on the front wheel, but they are heavy
beasts. The back ones had cracking on the eyelets, as the spokes are trying
to come through. I thought that they would durable because of their beasty
weight, but they proved just the opposite. I did get some miles on them,
but once I saw that they were flawed, I got different wheels to train on.

Sandy wrote:
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Some people find that the measure of a wheel is not the static one
sitting before you, but rather the one which is moving and reacting
under you. Ksyrium has a reputation of a responsive wheel, returning
the energy you put in, not abusively harsh to ride, suitably flexible in
front. In short, those things you can appreciate when it's in use.

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Bonne route !

Sandy

Please post this in RBT, attn: Jobst Brandt. It's getting slow over there.

My wheels return so much energy to me, I microwave my burritos with them
when I get home.

Gabe

Zipp Clydesdale. Or Ksyrium. If clincher, the Mavic's are probably
best.

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MA3's are [censored], so don't waste your money on them.
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Alex

I agree. They seem to work on the front wheel, but they are heavy
beasts.

MA3--475 grams
Ksyrium Equipe (rear)--498 grams
Open Pro cd/ceramic--458 grams
CXP 33--455 grams
Velocity Deep V--582
Monthlery legere (1982)--348 grams
Fiamme Ergal (1980)-- 287 grams

The back ones had cracking on the eyelets, as the spokes are trying

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to come through. I thought that they would durable because of their
beasty
weight, but they proved just the opposite. I did get some miles on them,
but once I saw that they were flawed, I got different wheels to train on.

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MA3's are [censored], so don't waste your money on them.
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Alex

I agree. They seem to work on the front wheel, but they are heavy
beasts.

MA3--475 grams
Ksyrium Equipe (rear)--498 grams
Open Pro cd/ceramic--458 grams
CXP 33--455 grams
Velocity Deep V--582
Monthlery legere (1982)--348 grams
Fiamme Ergal (1980)-- 287 grams

http://www.damonrinard.com/weights.htm

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> MA3's are [censored], so don't waste your money on them.
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> Alex

I agree. They seem to work on the front wheel, but they are heavy
beasts.

MA3--475 grams
Ksyrium Equipe (rear)--498 grams
Open Pro cd/ceramic--458 grams
CXP 33--455 grams
Velocity Deep V--582
Monthlery legere (1982)--348 grams
Fiamme Ergal (1980)-- 287 grams

http://www.damonrinard.com/weights.htm

Also http://weightweenies.starbike.com/listings/components.php?type=rims