Cycling to school - draft.

Jon Senior said:

www.hoovesofdestiny.co.uk/cycling_to_school_3.pdf

All very impresive Jon wish I could put stuff together half as good.
One thought did strike me though the only adult cyclist we saw didn't
have a h*lm*t whilst all the children did, was this a conscious decision
or just the way it worked out.
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soup said:

All very impresive Jon wish I could put stuff together half as good.
One thought did strike me though the only adult cyclist we saw didn't
have a h*lm*t whilst all the children did, was this a conscious decision
or just the way it worked out.

Just the way it worked out. On the front cover Rachel wanted to
wear hers, Roos doesn't actually own one, for Tom's interior shots
he's somewhat got his hands tied with the school insisting the kids
wear them for the training. A mix of helmets/heads would be better
but I think the idea at the moment is something workable now is
better than a perfect document that never gets finished.

Pete.
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soup said:

Jon Senior said:

www.hoovesofdestiny.co.uk/cycling_to_school_3.pdf

All very impresive Jon wish I could put stuff together half as good.
One thought did strike me though the only adult cyclist we saw didn't
have a h*lm*t whilst all the children did, was this a conscious decision
or just the way it worked out.

All the pics except the front one are apparently due to be replaced. I
quite liked the cycle maintenance one that appears to have been
dropped.

It should also be bourne in mind that permission will need to be
obtained from the parents of the children for use of pictures featuring
their little darlings.

...d

soup said:

All very impresive Jon wish I could put stuff together half as good.
One thought did strike me though the only adult cyclist we saw didn't
have a h*lm*t whilst all the children did, was this a conscious decision
or just the way it worked out.

Very kind of you, but it was nothing to do with me, I'm just hosting it
for the purposes of making the drafting easier for those involved. TBH I
haven't actually looked at it yet (How's that for responsible hosting?).

Jon

Peter Clinch said:

Just the way it worked out. On the front cover Rachel wanted to wear
hers, Roos doesn't actually own one, for Tom's interior shots he's
somewhat got his hands tied with the school insisting the kids wear them
for the training. A mix of helmets/heads would be better but I think
the idea at the moment is something workable now is better than a
perfect document that never gets finished.

Pete.

Couple here on the Transport 2k and Life Cycle UK sites that they would
probably allow to be used if asked
http://www.transport2000.org.uk/learningzone/Briefing-Cycling.htm
http://www.lifecycleuk.org.uk/active_children.php

--
Tony

"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
right."
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David Martin said:

It should also be bourne in mind that permission will need to be
obtained from the parents of the children for use of pictures featuring
their little darlings.

I have consent for all those children identifiable. I assume it's
given for Roos and Rachel.

Tom Crispin said:

David Martin said:

It should also be bourne in mind that permission will need to be
obtained from the parents of the children for use of pictures featuring
their little darlings.

I have consent for all those children identifiable. I assume it's
given for Roos and Rachel.

I'll happily give it for Rachel, written if needs be. Roos is big
enought to deal with it herself ;-)

I'll see if I can persuade the other model ^H^H^H^H^H child to pose for
some mechanicals type pics (still thinking about those). I do think
your puncture repairing picture was much stronger than the 'milling
around' one.

...d

Peter Clinch said:

soup said:

All very impresive Jon wish I could put stuff together half as good.
One thought did strike me though the only adult cyclist we saw didn't
have a h*lm*t whilst all the children did, was this a conscious decision
or just the way it worked out.

Just the way it worked out. On the front cover Rachel wanted to
wear hers, Roos doesn't actually own one, for Tom's interior shots
he's somewhat got his hands tied with the school insisting the kids
wear them for the training. A mix of helmets/heads would be better
but I think the idea at the moment is something workable now is
better than a perfect document that never gets finished.

I think I said right from the start that if I took the photos the
children would be helmeted. There is an 8 year old and a 10 year old
who cycle to school bare headed - I may be able to snap them as they
arrive at school, but I cannot really ask them to cycle back and forth
to get the right shot.

On Tuesday and Thursday I'm taking groups into Greenwich Park to teach
look-signal-manoeurve, and I have gerneral consent to use any
photographs I take of many of those children. However, the ideal
Cycle Training photo would be two children signalling right at a busy
traffic light junction, followed by an instructor.

I'll revert to the puncture repair photo for the back page - I love
the cheeky eye looking through the wheel.

David Martin said:

I'll see if I can persuade the other model ^H^H^H^H^H child to pose for
some mechanicals type pics (still thinking about those). I do think
your puncture repairing picture was much stronger than the 'milling
around' one.

I agree. It's a much nicer picture. I thought the 'milling around'
one went quite nicely with the title "The Right Bike", but will change
it and email to Jon with the latest batch of changes.

Tom Crispin said:

I think I said right from the start that if I took the photos the
children would be helmeted. There is an 8 year old and a 10 year old
who cycle to school bare headed - I may be able to snap them as they
arrive at school, but I cannot really ask them to cycle back and forth
to get the right shot.

Quoted message said:

On Tuesday and Thursday I'm taking groups into Greenwich Park to teach
look-signal-manoeurve, and I have general consent to use any
photographs I take of many of those children. However, the ideal
Cycle Training photo would be two children signalling right at a busy
traffic light junction, followed by an instructor.

If you can look over the shoulder of the instructor with an appropriate
length lens (probably wide angle, possibly middle of the zoom range,
getting the instructors RHs of head and shoulder in, ideally catching
part of the 'cycle training' or 'instructor' on the tabard, with the
cyclists in the appropriate place. I'll try and get another sketch
online soonish.

Quoted message said:

I'll revert to the puncture repair photo for the back page - I love
the cheeky eye looking through the wheel.

Great. Can you crop it a bit tighter to the bottom right (just a
little?)

...d

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Quoted message said:

OK. The draft PDF is currently available for view at:

www.hoovesofdestiny.co.uk/cycling_to_school_3.pdf

I'll try and put some kind of upload facility for this later today, but I
make no promises.

Is it worth a comment about gloves being useful as hands can get cold on a
bike?

Otherwise -- good job.

T

A quick update (and some rapid hacking) produced:

http://www.hoovesofdestiny.co.uk/urc_upload.php

Tom has the password and can distribute it as needs be (Although I'll
certainly field requests that are headed my way).

You can now upload photos as well. Could someone remember to send me an
email when it's done with so I can drop the page.

Jon

Jon Senior said:

OK. The draft PDF is currently available for view at:

www.hoovesofdestiny.co.uk/cycling_to_school_3.pdf

I'll try and put some kind of upload facility for this later today, but I
make no promises.

Update uploaded.

http://www.hoovesofdestiny.co.uk/urc_upload/cycling%20to%20school%206.pdf

Changes:
1. Capitalisation consistent for titles
2. 'Fact sheet for parents' in italics
3. Woolwich Ferry photo slightly cropped
4. Clothing section replaced with maintenance section
5. 'Facts:' section replaced with 'Cycling to school will:' section
and expanded
6. 'The right bike' photo changed.

David Martin said:

Quoted message said:

On Tuesday and Thursday I'm taking groups into Greenwich Park to teach
look-signal-manoeurve, and I have general consent to use any
photographs I take of many of those children. However, the ideal
Cycle Training photo would be two children signalling right at a busy
traffic light junction, followed by an instructor.

If you can look over the shoulder of the instructor with an appropriate
length lens (probably wide angle, possibly middle of the zoom range,
getting the instructors RHs of head and shoulder in, ideally catching
part of the 'cycle training' or 'instructor' on the tabard, with the
cyclists in the appropriate place. I'll try and get another sketch
online soonish.

Sorry! I should have added that I won't be doing traffic lights again
until November or December.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'll revert to the puncture repair photo for the back page - I love
the cheeky eye looking through the wheel.

Great. Can you crop it a bit tighter to the bottom right (just a
little?)

I'll email the original to you, plus another that I really like.

Tom Crispin said:

Jon Senior said:

OK. The draft PDF is currently available for view at:

www.hoovesofdestiny.co.uk/cycling_to_school_3.pdf

I'll try and put some kind of upload facility for this later today, but I
make no promises.

Update uploaded.

http://www.hoovesofdestiny.co.uk/urc_upload/cycling%20to%20school%206.pdf

I've been following this, on and off, from the sidelines. It's an
excellent project, an example of how this interweb thing can get
people pooling their resources.

I'm not quite sure of the intended distribution for the finished
document. Is it just at your school Tom, or a wider audience?

Does it need some kind of "produced by the touchy feely urc workers
co-operative" or other identifying mark?

Tim

Tim Hall said:

I've been following this, on and off, from the sidelines. It's an
excellent project, an example of how this interweb thing can get
people pooling their resources.

I'm not quite sure of the intended distribution for the finished
document. Is it just at your school Tom, or a wider audience?

I suggested the idea to bring to an end a bitter helmet flame war.

Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

My target audience is parents of pupils at my school, simply because I
have to have a target audience in mind to write the document - but it
would have wider appeal, and be free to download, print and distribute
by anyone.

Quoted message said:

Does it need some kind of "produced by the touchy feely urc workers
co-operative" or other identifying mark?

I was thinking of "Badger, Badger, Badger Productions."

Tom Crispin said:

Jon Senior said:

OK. The draft PDF is currently available for view at:

www.hoovesofdestiny.co.uk/cycling_to_school_3.pdf

I'll try and put some kind of upload facility for this later today, but I
make no promises.

Update uploaded.

Tiny point of grammatical pedantry. Second last paragraph "you child"
should read "your child".
--
Brian G

Tim Hall said:

Quoted message said:

Update uploaded.

http://www.hoovesofdestiny.co.uk/urc_upload/cycling%20to%20school%206.pdf

I've been following this, on and off, from the sidelines. It's an
excellent project, an example of how this interweb thing can get
people pooling their resources.

I've been following this with great interest to, its a *very* worthwhile
project.
The content is coming along brilliantly and I've been nodding with agreement
at all the excellent points being made.

However, from a designer's viewpoint though I'd look at the typography and
would certainly advise going to two columns for readability.
A generally accepted rule of thumb is to use 1.5 to 2 x the lower case
alphabet for line length. This makes it easier for the eye to drop down to the
following line. It's why some people will put down an otherwise interesting
text in content terms and feel disinclined to continue reading, thus however
good the content, the message may not be read. Readers may become
uninterested as sub-conciously it becomes more difficult to read than
necessary.

At the moment it is about 80 characters per line which is perfect for two
columns of 35 to 40 characters.

Another point is use of underlining. In true typesetting this is generally a
Big 'no no' and harps back to the days of the typewriter when styles and
weights were not available. I'd advise avoiding it and replacing with a
semi-bold or bold weight.

some of the htyphens also need to be replaced with en-rules to give the ttext
a more finished and professional feel.

Just some thoughts.

Keep up the brilliant work.

John B

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:25:52 +0100, John B <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Tim Hall said:

Quoted message said:

Update uploaded.

http://www.hoovesofdestiny.co.uk/urc_upload/cycling%20to%20school%206.pdf

I've been following this, on and off, from the sidelines. It's an
excellent project, an example of how this interweb thing can get
people pooling their resources.

I've been following this with great interest to, its a *very* worthwhile
project.
The content is coming along brilliantly and I've been nodding with agreement
at all the excellent points being made.

However, from a designer's viewpoint though I'd look at the typography and
would certainly advise going to two columns for readability.
A generally accepted rule of thumb is to use 1.5 to 2 x the lower case
alphabet for line length. This makes it easier for the eye to drop down to the
following line. It's why some people will put down an otherwise interesting
text in content terms and feel disinclined to continue reading, thus however
good the content, the message may not be read. Readers may become
uninterested as sub-conciously it becomes more difficult to read than
necessary.

At the moment it is about 80 characters per line which is perfect for two
columns of 35 to 40 characters.

Another point is use of underlining. In true typesetting this is generally a
Big 'no no' and harps back to the days of the typewriter when styles and
weights were not available. I'd advise avoiding it and replacing with a
semi-bold or bold weight.

some of the htyphens also need to be replaced with en-rules to give the ttext
a more finished and professional feel.

Just some thoughts.

Keep up the brilliant work.

I've set it out in columns and removed the underlining, plus replaced
some of the pictures with the same but cropped by David.

http://www.hoovesofdestiny.co.uk/urc_upload/cycling%20to%20school%207.pdf