Re: Food and morality

In article <[email hidden]>, M_un Over

Seattle said:

Crafting Mom said:

I've struggled with this issue personally (issues surrounding my
faith). While I sincerely believe that God [or insert higher power
of choice or not, here] put food on this earth for enjoyment, (as
well as, obviously, nourishment), I believe overeating to be
abuse of that gift.

Yes it is.

Quoted message said:

(Disclaimer: for those who missed the "I"
statements, this is my personal opinion and may not necessarily
reflect the opinions of others here, my employer, my cat, my
favorite grocery store).

lol

Quoted message said:

Now there are some loopholes in this. There may be people
who have an extremely sluggish metabolism, in which case they
technically would be "overeating" (ingesting more calories than
their metabolic rate), but I wouldn't call it a moral issue then.

There may be exceptions for medical reasons obviously. But everyone
has a line where gluttony and overconsumption begins. That line may be
dynamic but it is certainly there.

It's such an arbitrary line and who is to judge what constitutes
gluttony? The two pound parameter cannot be applied universally
although I happen to like it as it is it still matters somewhat how
it's configured.

--
Diva
*****
The Best Man for the Job May Be A Woman

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:14:28 -0400, Carol Frilegh <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

There may be exceptions for medical reasons obviously. But everyone
has a line where gluttony and overconsumption begins. That line may be
dynamic but it is certainly there.

It's such an arbitrary line and who is to judge what constitutes
gluttony?

Ultimately, god will. In the meantime, humans can too.

Quoted message said:

The two pound parameter cannot be applied universally..

....it is a universal amount of food that a universe of people can eat
and live well on...

Quoted message said:

although I happen to like it as it is it still matters somewhat how
it's configured.

Yes, the 2PDiet is configurable for those who are bright enough to do
so.

The majority are not so bright, educated and aware and we forget that
on diet Usenet groups frequently.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031011.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

Carol Frilegh said:

In article <[email hidden]>, M_un Over

Seattle said:

Crafting Mom said:

I've struggled with this issue personally (issues surrounding my
faith). While I sincerely believe that God [or insert higher power
of choice or not, here] put food on this earth for enjoyment, (as
well as, obviously, nourishment), I believe overeating to be
abuse of that gift.

Yes it is.

Quoted message said:

(Disclaimer: for those who missed the "I"
statements, this is my personal opinion and may not necessarily
reflect the opinions of others here, my employer, my cat, my
favorite grocery store).

lol

Quoted message said:

Now there are some loopholes in this. There may be people
who have an extremely sluggish metabolism, in which case they
technically would be "overeating" (ingesting more calories than
their metabolic rate), but I wouldn't call it a moral issue then.

There may be exceptions for medical reasons obviously. But everyone
has a line where gluttony and overconsumption begins. That line may be
dynamic but it is certainly there.

It's such an arbitrary line and who is to judge what constitutes
gluttony?

Imho, we should not judge unless we want to be judged by God.

Quoted message said:

The two pound parameter cannot be applied universally
although I happen to like it as it is it still matters somewhat how
it's configured.

Ime, it seems to work when applied universally for those who are overweight.

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's such an arbitrary line and who is to judge what constitutes
gluttony?

MD/PhD said:

Imho, we should not judge unless we want to be judged by God.

I would separate the necessity to judge an individual's morality with
the necessity to judge or determine when one is being gluttonous.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031018.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

M_un Shot said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's such an arbitrary line and who is to judge what constitutes
gluttony?

MD/PhD said:

Imho, we should not judge unless we want to be judged by God.

I would separate the necessity to judge an individual's morality with
the necessity to judge or determine when one is being gluttonous.

You are under no necessity of judging anyone's morality. The
assessment of gluttony *is* a moral judgement.

And your ignorance about proper attribution is another strike against
you.

Pastorio

MD/PhD said:

Quoted message said:

The two pound parameter cannot be applied universally
although I happen to like it as it is it still matters somewhat how
it's configured.

Ime, it seems to work when applied universally for those who are overweight.

That may be true, but the question in this thread is, is 2 pounds of
food a good "fair share" for your average person (barring those with
higher then normal energy requirements) overweight or not and
therefore a good yardstick for determining whether or not one is being
a "glutton".

There is no question that it will work for an overweight person who is
able and/or willing to comply with it. (assuming we're talking about a
"normal" person living a "normal" lifestyle and eating "normal" food)

--
Ron Ritzman
http://www.panix.com/~ritzlart
Smart people can figure out my email address

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:16:08 -0400, M_un Shot <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Imho, we should not judge unless we want to be judged by God.

I would separate the necessity to judge an individual's morality with
the necessity to judge or determine when one is being gluttonous.

But if gluttony is a sin then by judging when one is being gluttonous,
you are judging one's morality.

--
Ron Ritzman
http://www.panix.com/~ritzlart
Smart people can figure out my email address

Ron Ritzman said:

Quoted message said:

I would separate the necessity to judge an individual's morality with
the necessity to judge or determine when one is being gluttonous.

But if gluttony is a sin then by judging when one is being gluttonous,
you are judging one's morality.

I can see sin and recognize it for what it is. I can see the adulterer
and recognize adultery. What God does with the sinner, the adulterer,
is the judgment. I have no idea what those judgments are having no
idea what God actually does and thinks about individuals. It's His
universe, He can and is justified to make judgments according to each
individual as He chooses. Only He truly knows what is in the hearts of
men.

The point is moot or should I say mu_te; it makes no difference to
either the sinner or to God what any of us think about our neighbors
only what we think and do about ourselves.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031018.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

M_un Shot said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's such an arbitrary line and who is to judge what constitutes
gluttony?

MD/PhD said:

Imho, we should not judge unless we want to be judged by God.

I would separate the necessity to judge an individual's morality with
the necessity to judge or determine when one is being gluttonous.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031018.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

The word gluttony or glutton has judgmental connotations.

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

Ron Ritzman said:

MD/PhD said:

Quoted message said:

The two pound parameter cannot be applied universally
although I happen to like it as it is it still matters somewhat how
it's configured.

Ime, it seems to work when applied universally for those who are overweight.

That may be true

It is true, Ron.

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/