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Re: Atkins and Lipitor

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  1. Lanning Russell said:

    It seems common sense that you should not be on a hi protein, unrestricted
    meat fat, restricted carbohydrate diet if hi cholesterol is one of your
    issues. Many seem to agree; some say the jury is out because of the
    beneficial effects of Atkins weight loss on blood pressure and cholesterol.

    Is there some informed medical consensus on the dangers of the Atkins diet
    for people on medication for high cholesterol or high blood pressure?

    Paging Dr. Chung. Paging Dr. Chung.

    http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031011.html
    Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

  2. Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:20:15 -0400 in article
    <[email hidden]> M_un Over Seattle

    Quoted message said:
    Lanning Russell said:

    It seems common sense that you should not be on a hi protein, unrestricted
    meat fat, restricted carbohydrate diet if hi cholesterol is one of your
    issues. Many seem to agree; some say the jury is out because of the
    beneficial effects of Atkins weight loss on blood pressure and cholesterol.

    Is there some informed medical consensus on the dangers of the Atkins diet
    for people on medication for high cholesterol or high blood pressure?



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    All the messages in this thread don't show in this group. To see the whole
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    Matti Narkia

  3. On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:38:25 GMT, Matti Narkia <[email hidden]>

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    All the messages in this thread don't show in this group. To see the whole
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    lol

    Wthell is that all about?

    http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031011.html
    Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

  4. M_un Over Seattle said:
    Lanning Russell said:

    It seems common sense that you should not be on a hi protein, unrestricted
    meat fat, restricted carbohydrate diet if hi cholesterol is one of your
    issues. Many seem to agree; some say the jury is out because of the
    beneficial effects of Atkins weight loss on blood pressure and cholesterol.

    Is there some informed medical consensus on the dangers of the Atkins diet
    for people on medication for high cholesterol or high blood pressure?

    Paging Dr. Chung. Paging Dr. Chung.

    He said *informed* or did you miss that?

    Pastorio

  5. M_un Over Seattle <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Lanning Russell said:

    It seems common sense that you should not be on a hi protein, unrestricted
    meat fat, restricted carbohydrate diet if hi cholesterol is one of your
    issues. Many seem to agree; some say the jury is out because of the
    beneficial effects of Atkins weight loss on blood pressure and cholesterol.

    Is there some informed medical consensus on the dangers of the Atkins diet
    for people on medication for high cholesterol or high blood pressure?

    Paging Dr. Chung. Paging Dr. Chung.

    See:

    http://tinyurl.com/rz25

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    http://www.heartmdphd.com

  6. "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    M_un Over Seattle <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

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    Quoted message said:
    Lanning Russell said:

    It seems common sense that you should not be on a hi protein,


    unrestricted

    Quoted message said:
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    meat fat, restricted carbohydrate diet if hi cholesterol is one of your
    issues. Many seem to agree; some say the jury is out because of the
    beneficial effects of Atkins weight loss on blood pressure and


    cholesterol.

    Quoted message said:
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    Is there some informed medical consensus on the dangers of the Atkins


    diet

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    for people on medication for high cholesterol or high blood pressure?

    Paging Dr. Chung. Paging Dr. Chung.

    See:

    http://tinyurl.com/rz25

    You're an idiot and a quack. There's no way you should be giving any type of
    medical advice. That's why you don't have access to a hospital, and why you
    were fired in Florida. This is also why you troll usenet for unsuspecting
    "patients". You bought your credentials on the internet. Shame on you.

  7. JC Der Koenig said:

    "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    M_un Over Seattle <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:56:30 GMT, "Lanning Russell"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >It seems common sense that you should not be on a hi protein,


    unrestricted

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >meat fat, restricted carbohydrate diet if hi cholesterol is one of your
    >issues. Many seem to agree; some say the jury is out because of the
    >beneficial effects of Atkins weight loss on blood pressure and


    cholesterol.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    >Is there some informed medical consensus on the dangers of the Atkins


    diet

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >for people on medication for high cholesterol or high blood pressure?

    Paging Dr. Chung. Paging Dr. Chung.

    See:

    http://tinyurl.com/rz25

    <libelous statements snipped>

    FYI Note: I am aware that I am responding to a cross-posted message. Because
    the author of the message to which I am responding did not request that the
    header be trimmed, I have not trimmed it. If you are upset about reading this
    message, a few suggestions:

    (1) Yell at JC
    (2) Report JC to his ISP
    (3) Killfile this thread.
    (4) Killfile me.
    (5) Read about free speech.

    This discussion(s) is related to the 2 pound diet approach (2PD) which is
    described completely at:

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    Though Dr. Chung invented this approach, he did not initiate the Usenet
    discussion(s). His participation in this discussion(s) has been voluntary and
    has been conducted in the spirit of community service. His motivation has been
    entirely altruistic and has arisen from his religious beliefs as a Christian.
    Jesus freely gave of Himself to better the health of folks He touched:

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp

    From the outset, it has been clear that there are those who are vehemently
    opposed to the 2 pound diet approach. They have debated Dr. Chung on every
    perceived weakness of the 2 pound diet approach and have lost the argument
    soundly at every point:

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp

    These debates are archived on Google in their entirety within this discussion
    thread(s).

    However, instead of conceding gracefully that they've lost the argument(s),
    certain parties have redirected their hatred of the 2 pound diet approach toward
    its author. The rationale appears to be "if you can not discredit the message
    then try to discredit the messenger."

    Initially, these folks accused the messenger of "trolling." A "troll" is
    someone who posts under the cloak of anonymity messages with no redeeming
    discussion value and with the sole purpose of starting "flame" wars.

    These hateful folks lost credibility with this accusation when the following
    observations were made:

    (1) Dr. Chung has not been posting anonymously.
    (2) The 2PD has been on-topic for the Usenet discussion groups hosting the
    discussion(s).
    (a) Those who are failing low-carbing can dovetail LC with the 2PD to
    achieve near-ideal weight.
    (b) Obese diabetics improve their blood glucose control when their weight
    becomes near-ideal.
    (c) For (b) see: http://tinyurl.com/levc
    (3) Dr. Chung did not start the discussion(s).
    (4) The 2 pound diet approach is 100% free (no profit motive).
    (5) Dr. Chung's credentials are real and easily verified on-line (including
    jpegs of the actual diplomas).

    Full of hatred, frustration, and desperation, certain individuals have tried to
    attack Dr. Chung's credentials knowing full well that they were attempting to
    libel him. One notable example is Mr. Pastorio:

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp

    When the full light was cast on Mr. Pastorio's libelous statements, the hateful
    folks hiding in the darkness of anonymity only hissed louder in support of their
    fallen hero.

    Fortunately, those who have been following this discussion(s) either actively or
    as lurkers can easily dismiss the hisses, for what they are, using the on-line
    third-party resources at:

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/profile.asp

    where Dr. Chung's credentials can be verified many times over and libelous
    claims that credentials were bought are easily and summarily debunked.

    Moreover, readers need only make the following observations concerning the anon
    posters who continue to hiss (ie JC Der Koenig and Mack):

    (1) They are anonymous and thus they expect to have no credibility (or
    accountability).
    (2) They are by their Usenet history courtesy of Google, unsavory characters.
    (3) They have not added anything to the discussion(s) except to deliver
    one-sided insults.
    (4) They complain about alleged cross-posts from Dr. Chung by cross-posting.
    (5) They do not complain about cross-posts from folks who attack the 2PD or its
    author.

    and conclude that these anon posters deserve only their kill file.

    It is my hope that the above brings new readers of this thread up to speed.

    It will remain my pleasure to continue the discussion(s) about the 2PD above the
    din of hissing from the peanut gallery.

    Sincerely,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    http://www.heartmdphd.com

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