My Coronary Risk profile

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I got my Cholesterol profile back today and here are the results;

Total Cholesterol 142
LDL 75
HDL 52
triglycerides 74

Are these results fair,good or excellent?

I'm not a Dr. but I'de say those are good numbers. However, the subject of
your post is misleading. Those are your cholesterol numbers. In a standard
evaluation, your risk of getting a heart attack depends on a lot more things.
Do you smoke? What is your age? Height/weight? Do you exercise. Gender? Family
history? Have you had previous heart problems? etc.

In short, sometimes even people with good cholesterol numbers get heart
attacks and you have to watch other things too.

Bill

Bill said:

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I got my Cholesterol profile back today and here are the results;

Total Cholesterol 142
LDL 75
HDL 52
triglycerides 74

Are these results fair,good or excellent?

I'm not a Dr. but I'de say those are good numbers. However, the subject of
your post is misleading. Those are your cholesterol numbers. In a standard
evaluation, your risk of getting a heart attack depends on a lot more things.
Do you smoke? What is your age? Height/weight? Do you exercise. Gender? Family
history? Have you had previous heart problems? etc.

In short, sometimes even people with good cholesterol numbers get heart
attacks and you have to watch other things too.

Bill

Would add diabetes and hypertension to your list of risk factors.

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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I got my Cholesterol profile back today and here are the results;

Total Cholesterol 142
LDL 75
HDL 52
triglycerides 74

Are these results fair,good or excellent?

I would say those are excellent numbers and sure wish I had your HDL
number. What medication are you taking? What kind of exercise program
are you doing? And what kind of eating program are you on? Low-fat
High Carb or High-Fat & Low Carb?

Mel

You left out , Low Fat & Good Carbs like the www.southbeachdiet.com.
I met someone yesterday that dropped 49 pounds on this diet and
stopped his BP medications and his Cholesterol went from bad to in the
good range.

Bob

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Those are excellent numbers. To find out your odds of CHD, use
www.google.com and search for "heart risk calculators." I believe the
AHA site has one.

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I got my Cholesterol profile back today and here are the results;

Total Cholesterol 142
LDL 75
HDL 52
triglycerides 74

Are these results fair,good or excellent?

Doesn't mean a thing. My wife had equal to or better numbers all her life
and hand NO other risk factors. She had tripple bypass two years ago at age
53

There is an advertisement for "C reactive protein" testing posted at the lab
where I have my blood test taken for PSA. The sign says that "50 percent of
the people with heart
disease have low ot moderate levels of cholesterol" and therefore advise the
C reactive protein test.

This means a 50 / 50 correlation with cholesterol; the same odds one would
get tossing a coin. These are the same conclusions reached by the
Framington researchers and other studies but not the ones presented by drug
companies to justify selling cholesterol lowering drugs.

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Quoted message said:

I got my Cholesterol profile back today and here are the results;

Total Cholesterol 142
LDL 75
HDL 52
triglycerides 74

Are these results fair,good or excellent?

I would say those are excellent numbers and sure wish I had your HDL
number. What medication are you taking? What kind of exercise program
are you doing? And what kind of eating program are you on? Low-fat
High Carb or High-Fat & Low Carb?

Mel

You left out , Low Fat & Good Carbs like the www.southbeachdiet.com.
I met someone yesterday that dropped 49 pounds on this diet and
stopped his BP medications and his Cholesterol went from bad to in the
good range.

The South Beach diet is far from being "low fat."

--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

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Jim Chinnis said:

Bob Cardone <cardone1!@!mindspring.com> wrote in part:

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[email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote:

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>> I got my Cholesterol profile back today and here are the results;
>>
>> Total Cholesterol 142
>> LDL 75
>> HDL 52
>> triglycerides 74
>>
>> Are these results fair,good or excellent?
>
>I would say those are excellent numbers and sure wish I had your HDL
>number. What medication are you taking? What kind of exercise program
>are you doing? And what kind of eating program are you on? Low-fat
>High Carb or High-Fat & Low Carb?
>
>Mel

You left out , Low Fat & Good Carbs like the www.southbeachdiet.com.
I met someone yesterday that dropped 49 pounds on this diet and
stopped his BP medications and his Cholesterol went from bad to in the
good range.

The South Beach diet is far from being "low fat."

Well South beach Diet recommends protein from Low Fat cuts of meat
and fish and using low fat dressings, deserts etc..... as opposed to
living on sausages and spare ribs and bacon ala the Atkins Diet. I
would consider it low fat. Notice I didn't say "no fat" .

Bob

It's low in saturated and trans fat. But they push olive oil as the main
dressing, push nuts, fatty fish, etc. On their web site they say: "The South
Beach Diet is not low-fat or low-carb. It teaches you to rely on the right
carbs and the right fats."

Keeping good fats up is part of the healthy part of their plan, I'd say.

I won't pay them to tell me what the details are, though! ;-)

I have nothing against what I can see of the SB Diet, and it looks like my own
way of eating.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

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The only thing I don't understand about carbs is why studies seem to
show eating a high carb diet lowers HDL for men?

A high percentage of carbs seems to boost triglycerides at the expense of HDL.
But the studies have not looked at effects of the glycemic index of the diet.
IOW, they looked very coarsely at the effect of more carbs, usually meaning
more refined carbs, I'd bet.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

Jim Chinnis said:

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Jim Chinnis said:

Bob Cardone <cardone1!@!mindspring.com> wrote in part:

>[email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote:
>
>>[email hidden] ([email hidden]) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
>>> I got my Cholesterol profile back today and here are the results;
>>>
>>> Total Cholesterol 142
>>> LDL 75
>>> HDL 52
>>> triglycerides 74
>>>
>>> Are these results fair,good or excellent?
>>
>>I would say those are excellent numbers and sure wish I had your HDL
>>number. What medication are you taking? What kind of exercise program
>>are you doing? And what kind of eating program are you on? Low-fat
>>High Carb or High-Fat & Low Carb?
>>
>>Mel
>
>You left out , Low Fat & Good Carbs like the www.southbeachdiet.com.
>I met someone yesterday that dropped 49 pounds on this diet and
>stopped his BP medications and his Cholesterol went from bad to in the
>good range.

The South Beach diet is far from being "low fat."

Well South beach Diet recommends protein from Low Fat cuts of meat
and fish and using low fat dressings, deserts etc..... as opposed to
living on sausages and spare ribs and bacon ala the Atkins Diet. I
would consider it low fat. Notice I didn't say "no fat" .

Bob

It's low in saturated and trans fat. But they push olive oil as the main
dressing, push nuts, fatty fish, etc. On their web site they say: "The South
Beach Diet is not low-fat or low-carb. It teaches you to rely on the right
carbs and the right fats."

Keeping good fats up is part of the healthy part of their plan, I'd say.

I won't pay them to tell me what the details are, though! ;-)

I have nothing against what I can see of the SB Diet, and it looks like my own
way of eating.

Well , as you said, you don't know the details so there is no point in
debating it I guess. The Olive oil and nuts and fatty fish are used
for a specific reason . The food generally is low fat, as I originally
said.

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Jim Chinnis said:

Bob Cardone <cardone1!@!mindspring.com> wrote in part:

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Jim Chinnis <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Bob Cardone <cardone1!@!mindspring.com> wrote in part:
>
>>[email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote:
>>
>>>[email hidden] ([email hidden]) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
>>>> I got my Cholesterol profile back today and here are the results;
>>>>
>>>> Total Cholesterol 142
>>>> LDL 75
>>>> HDL 52
>>>> triglycerides 74
>>>>
>>>> Are these results fair,good or excellent?
>>>
>>>I would say those are excellent numbers and sure wish I had your HDL
>>>number. What medication are you taking? What kind of exercise program
>>>are you doing? And what kind of eating program are you on? Low-fat
>>>High Carb or High-Fat & Low Carb?
>>>
>>>Mel
>>
>>You left out , Low Fat & Good Carbs like the www.southbeachdiet.com.
>>I met someone yesterday that dropped 49 pounds on this diet and
>>stopped his BP medications and his Cholesterol went from bad to in the
>>good range.
>
>The South Beach diet is far from being "low fat."

Well South beach Diet recommends protein from Low Fat cuts of meat
and fish and using low fat dressings, deserts etc..... as opposed to
living on sausages and spare ribs and bacon ala the Atkins Diet. I
would consider it low fat. Notice I didn't say "no fat" .

Bob

It's low in saturated and trans fat. But they push olive oil as the main
dressing, push nuts, fatty fish, etc. On their web site they say: "The South
Beach Diet is not low-fat or low-carb. It teaches you to rely on the right
carbs and the right fats."

Keeping good fats up is part of the healthy part of their plan, I'd say.

I won't pay them to tell me what the details are, though! ;-)

I have nothing against what I can see of the SB Diet, and it looks like my own
way of eating.

Well , as you said, you don't know the details so there is no point in
debating it I guess. The Olive oil and nuts and fatty fish are used
for a specific reason . The food generally is low fat, as I originally
said.

OK. They say it isn't low-fat in the first sentence on their web page that you
cited, and you say it is. We'll leave it that way.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

High carbs means lower fats. "Good" fats can raise HDL. "In studies
in which polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats were eaten in place
of carbohydrates, these good fats decreased LDL levels and increased
HDL levels. " See http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fats.html
Mel, are you having your drink a day yet? You should really read
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/alcohol.html Statins
don't preclude moderate drinking. BTW - with my new diet my blood
pressure has dropped from 127/80 to 110/70 now. I wasn't expecting
that. Tomorrow is Crestor day!

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> I got my Cholesterol profile back today and here are the results;
>
> Total Cholesterol 142
> LDL 75
> HDL 52
> triglycerides 74
>
> Are these results fair,good or excellent?

I would say those are excellent numbers and sure wish I had your HDL
number. What medication are you taking? What kind of exercise program
are you doing? And what kind of eating program are you on? Low-fat
High Carb or High-Fat & Low Carb?

Mel

You left out , Low Fat & Good Carbs like the www.southbeachdiet.com.
I met someone yesterday that dropped 49 pounds on this diet and
stopped his BP medications and his Cholesterol went from bad to in the
good range.

Bob

Just an oversight since I only eat good carbs. :-)

The only thing I don't understand about carbs is why studies seem to
show eating a high carb diet lowers HDL for men?

Mel, eating good fats and good carbs. 🙂

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Brad, the question is why have some studies shown that a high carb
diet lowers HDL for men?

Zocor and booze? My information is that taking a drink a day and Zocor
increases the possibility for liver damage. Who or what is saying
taking a drink every day and a statin drug is okay?

Mel

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High carbs means lower fats. "Good" fats can raise HDL. "In studies
in which polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats were eaten in place
of carbohydrates, these good fats decreased LDL levels and increased
HDL levels. " See http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fats.html
Mel, are you having your drink a day yet? You should really read
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/alcohol.html Statins
don't preclude moderate drinking. BTW - with my new diet my blood
pressure has dropped from 127/80 to 110/70 now. I wasn't expecting
that. Tomorrow is Crestor day!

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>> I got my Cholesterol profile back today and here are the results;
>>
>> Total Cholesterol 142
>> LDL 75
>> HDL 52
>> triglycerides 74
>>
>> Are these results fair,good or excellent?
>
>I would say those are excellent numbers and sure wish I had your HDL
>number. What medication are you taking? What kind of exercise program
>are you doing? And what kind of eating program are you on? Low-fat
>High Carb or High-Fat & Low Carb?
>
>Mel

You left out , Low Fat & Good Carbs like the www.southbeachdiet.com.
I met someone yesterday that dropped 49 pounds on this diet and
stopped his BP medications and his Cholesterol went from bad to in the
good range.

Bob

Just an oversight since I only eat good carbs. :-)

The only thing I don't understand about carbs is why studies seem to
show eating a high carb diet lowers HDL for men?

Mel, eating good fats and good carbs. 🙂

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I got my Cholesterol profile back today and here are the results;

Total Cholesterol 142
LDL 75
HDL 52
triglycerides 74

Are these results fair,good or excellent?

Paul E. Lehmann said:

Doesn't mean a thing. My wife had equal to or better numbers all her life
and hand NO other risk factors. She had tripple bypass two years ago at age
53

I guess those numbers of hers meant ONE thing.

She had serious cardiac disease.

Mel,

re: why low hdl with high carbs? since unsaturated fat consumption
will be lower with high carb diets it follows that HDL will be lower.
A lower carb, higher "good" fat diet should raise HDL

re: Zocor and moderate drinking. The prohibition is against any
statin and heavy drinking, not moderate drinking. See
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:3xPcSeXVMlEJ:www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/foodnut/09361.pdf+zocor+moderate+drinking&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8

Note: of course, if your liver function tests are poor, don't drink
alcohol.

Alconol raises HDL by 10% for a comparison of the benefits of moderate
drinking VS statin drugs see:
http://www.acsh.org/publications/priorities/0801/pcyes.html

BTW - got my Crestor today.

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[email hidden] (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Brad, the question is why have some studies shown that a high carb
diet lowers HDL for men?

Zocor and booze? My information is that taking a drink a day and Zocor
increases the possibility for liver damage. Who or what is saying
taking a drink every day and a statin drug is okay?

Mel

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High carbs means lower fats. "Good" fats can raise HDL. "In studies
in which polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats were eaten in place
of carbohydrates, these good fats decreased LDL levels and increased
HDL levels. " See http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fats.html
Mel, are you having your drink a day yet? You should really read
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/alcohol.html Statins
don't preclude moderate drinking. BTW - with my new diet my blood
pressure has dropped from 127/80 to 110/70 now. I wasn't expecting
that. Tomorrow is Crestor day!

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Bob Cardone <cardone1!@!mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> [email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote:
>
> >[email hidden] ([email hidden]) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> >> I got my Cholesterol profile back today and here are the results;
> >>
> >> Total Cholesterol 142
> >> LDL 75
> >> HDL 52
> >> triglycerides 74
> >>
> >> Are these results fair,good or excellent?
> >
> >I would say those are excellent numbers and sure wish I had your HDL
> >number. What medication are you taking? What kind of exercise program
> >are you doing? And what kind of eating program are you on? Low-fat
> >High Carb or High-Fat & Low Carb?
> >
> >Mel
>
> You left out , Low Fat & Good Carbs like the www.southbeachdiet.com.
> I met someone yesterday that dropped 49 pounds on this diet and
> stopped his BP medications and his Cholesterol went from bad to in the
> good range.
>
> Bob

Just an oversight since I only eat good carbs. :-)

The only thing I don't understand about carbs is why studies seem to
show eating a high carb diet lowers HDL for men?

Mel, eating good fats and good carbs. 🙂

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I got my Cholesterol profile back today and here are the results;

Total Cholesterol 142
LDL 75
HDL 52
triglycerides 74

Are these results fair,good or excellent?

I would say those are excellent numbers and sure wish I had your HDL
number. What medication are you taking? What kind of exercise program
are you doing? And what kind of eating program are you on? Low-fat
High Carb or High-Fat & Low Carb?

Mel

I eat low fat..I also smoke(3 of 4 a day) and use Androgel.The
Androgel can raise both total cholesterol and the Ldl numbers and
lower the HDl.I've read smoking also lowers HDL.Maybe the excellent
profile numbers will counteract the smoking and testosterone.

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I eat low fat..I also smoke(3 of 4 a day) and use Androgel.The

Androgel can raise both total cholesterol and the Ldl numbers and
lower the HDl.I've read smoking also lowers HDL.Maybe the excellent
profile numbers will counteract the smoking and testosterone.

That's a very common trap. It's like saying I did not have anything to drink,
so it is OK to speed. Somehow the odds will even out. If you only have 3 or 4
cigarettes a day (I assume you mean that and not packs) why not give it up?
You are at risk of the number increasing when you go through a tough time.
Until you quit completely, they are much more likely to go up than down.

Bill

[email hidden] (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Brad, have you been able to get a copy of the literature from Crestor
showing the side effects and their frequency? I am speaking of that
little brochure or folding paper that manufacturers supply.

Mel

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Mel,

Glad your liver is ok. Too bad your doc isn't up to snuff about
moderate drinking - which has more proven benefits than statins
according to several sources. I've started on my 5 mg Crestor today.
Just found out my drug card is going up 20% for next year! The cost
of health insurance is going through the roof, and I'm not going to
take it anymore! I'm going to drop my drug card, get the 40 mg
Crestor, and split it into eight parts - that is if my doc ever runs
out of samples.

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[email hidden] (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Brad, I have seen reports of studies with results showing a high carb
diet lowers HDL in men.

About drinking alcohol, my cardiologist said just one or two drinks a
week. I don't have a problem with my liver.

Mel

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Mel,

re: why low hdl with high carbs? since unsaturated fat consumption
will be lower with high carb diets it follows that HDL will be lower.
A lower carb, higher "good" fat diet should raise HDL

re: Zocor and moderate drinking. The prohibition is against any
statin and heavy drinking, not moderate drinking. See
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:3xPcSeXVMlEJ:www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/foodnut/09361.pdf+zocor+moderate+drinking&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8

Note: of course, if your liver function tests are poor, don't drink
alcohol.

Alconol raises HDL by 10% for a comparison of the benefits of moderate
drinking VS statin drugs see:
http://www.acsh.org/publications/priorities/0801/pcyes.html

BTW - got my Crestor today.

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> [email hidden] (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
>
> Brad, the question is why have some studies shown that a high carb
> diet lowers HDL for men?
>
> Zocor and booze? My information is that taking a drink a day and Zocor
> increases the possibility for liver damage. Who or what is saying
> taking a drink every day and a statin drug is okay?
>
> Mel
>
> > High carbs means lower fats. "Good" fats can raise HDL. "In studies
> > in which polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats were eaten in place
> > of carbohydrates, these good fats decreased LDL levels and increased
> > HDL levels. " See http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fats.html
> > Mel, are you having your drink a day yet? You should really read
> > http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/alcohol.html Statins
> > don't preclude moderate drinking. BTW - with my new diet my blood
> > pressure has dropped from 127/80 to 110/70 now. I wasn't expecting
> > that. Tomorrow is Crestor day!
> >
> >
> > [email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > > Bob Cardone <cardone1!@!mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > > > [email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >[email hidden] ([email hidden]) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > > > >> I got my Cholesterol profile back today and here are the results;
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Total Cholesterol 142
> > > > >> LDL 75
> > > > >> HDL 52
> > > > >> triglycerides 74
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Are these results fair,good or excellent?
> > > > >
> > > > >I would say those are excellent numbers and sure wish I had your HDL
> > > > >number. What medication are you taking? What kind of exercise program
> > > > >are you doing? And what kind of eating program are you on? Low-fat
> > > > >High Carb or High-Fat & Low Carb?
> > > > >
> > > > >Mel
> > > >
> > > > You left out , Low Fat & Good Carbs like the www.southbeachdiet.com.
> > > > I met someone yesterday that dropped 49 pounds on this diet and
> > > > stopped his BP medications and his Cholesterol went from bad to in the
> > > > good range.
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > >
> > > Just an oversight since I only eat good carbs. :-)
> > >
> > > The only thing I don't understand about carbs is why studies seem to
> > > show eating a high carb diet lowers HDL for men?
> > >
> > > Mel, eating good fats and good carbs. 🙂

Mel,

I didn't get that in my free 30 day sample (in a nice bag with an
offer). I looked over the side effects on
http://www.crestor.com/c/crestor/sideeffects.asp
and they look very mild. I didn't compare it to Lipitor, tho. It's a
little bit of a nuisance to split the 10 mg into 5 mg, the pills have
no notch.

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[email hidden] (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Brad, have you been able to get a copy of the literature from Crestor
showing the side effects and their frequency? I am speaking of that
little brochure or folding paper that manufacturers supply.

Mel

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Mel,

Glad your liver is ok. Too bad your doc isn't up to snuff about
moderate drinking - which has more proven benefits than statins
according to several sources. I've started on my 5 mg Crestor today.
Just found out my drug card is going up 20% for next year! The cost
of health insurance is going through the roof, and I'm not going to
take it anymore! I'm going to drop my drug card, get the 40 mg
Crestor, and split it into eight parts - that is if my doc ever runs
out of samples.

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[email hidden] (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Brad, I have seen reports of studies with results showing a high carb
diet lowers HDL in men.

About drinking alcohol, my cardiologist said just one or two drinks a
week. I don't have a problem with my liver.

Mel

> Mel,
>
> re: why low hdl with high carbs? since unsaturated fat consumption
> will be lower with high carb diets it follows that HDL will be lower.
> A lower carb, higher "good" fat diet should raise HDL
>
> re: Zocor and moderate drinking. The prohibition is against any
> statin and heavy drinking, not moderate drinking. See
> http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:3xPcSeXVMlEJ:www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/foodnut/09361.pdf+zocor+moderate+drinking&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8
>
> Note: of course, if your liver function tests are poor, don't drink
> alcohol.
>
> Alconol raises HDL by 10% for a comparison of the benefits of moderate
> drinking VS statin drugs see:
> http://www.acsh.org/publications/priorities/0801/pcyes.html
>
> BTW - got my Crestor today.
>
> [email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > [email hidden] (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> >
> > Brad, the question is why have some studies shown that a high carb
> > diet lowers HDL for men?
> >
> > Zocor and booze? My information is that taking a drink a day and Zocor
> > increases the possibility for liver damage. Who or what is saying
> > taking a drink every day and a statin drug is okay?
> >
> > Mel
> >
> > > High carbs means lower fats. "Good" fats can raise HDL. "In studies
> > > in which polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats were eaten in place
> > > of carbohydrates, these good fats decreased LDL levels and increased
> > > HDL levels. " See http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fats.html
> > > Mel, are you having your drink a day yet? You should really read
> > > http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/alcohol.html Statins
> > > don't preclude moderate drinking. BTW - with my new diet my blood
> > > pressure has dropped from 127/80 to 110/70 now. I wasn't expecting
> > > that. Tomorrow is Crestor day!
> > >
> > >
> > > [email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > > > Bob Cardone <cardone1!@!mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > > > > [email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >[email hidden] ([email hidden]) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > > > > >> I got my Cholesterol profile back today and here are the results;
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Total Cholesterol 142
> > > > > >> LDL 75
> > > > > >> HDL 52
> > > > > >> triglycerides 74
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Are these results fair,good or excellent?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I would say those are excellent numbers and sure wish I had your HDL
> > > > > >number. What medication are you taking? What kind of exercise program
> > > > > >are you doing? And what kind of eating program are you on? Low-fat
> > > > > >High Carb or High-Fat & Low Carb?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Mel
> > > > >
> > > > > You left out , Low Fat & Good Carbs like the www.southbeachdiet.com.
> > > > > I met someone yesterday that dropped 49 pounds on this diet and
> > > > > stopped his BP medications and his Cholesterol went from bad to in the
> > > > > good range.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob
> > > >
> > > > Just an oversight since I only eat good carbs. :-)
> > > >
> > > > The only thing I don't understand about carbs is why studies seem to
> > > > show eating a high carb diet lowers HDL for men?
> > > >
> > > > Mel, eating good fats and good carbs. 🙂

[email hidden] (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Brad, I clicked on your link but nothing happened. I also went to
Crestor's website and tried to get that pdf info but again nothing
happened. I have Adobe 6.0 and just can't understand the problem.

Mel

Quoted message said:

Hi Mel,

The material you'd get with the drug is all on their website in pdf
form: http://www.astrazeneca-us.com/cgi-bin/az_pi.cgi?product=crestor&country=us

It's over 25 pages long and gives you the complete info. "Clinical
adverse reactions" - the chart you're looking for, is on pg 17.

[email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Brad, the Crestor website doesn't provide detailed information
regarding side effects. The information I am seeking is the studies
done that give various side effects and their frequency.

Mel

Quoted message said:

Mel,

I didn't get that in my free 30 day sample (in a nice bag with an
offer). I looked over the side effects on
http://www.crestor.com/c/crestor/sideeffects.asp
and they look very mild. I didn't compare it to Lipitor, tho. It's a
little bit of a nuisance to split the 10 mg into 5 mg, the pills have
no notch.

[email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> [email hidden] (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
>
> Brad, have you been able to get a copy of the literature from Crestor
> showing the side effects and their frequency? I am speaking of that
> little brochure or folding paper that manufacturers supply.
>
> Mel
>
> > Mel,
> >
> > Glad your liver is ok. Too bad your doc isn't up to snuff about
> > moderate drinking - which has more proven benefits than statins
> > according to several sources. I've started on my 5 mg Crestor today.
> > Just found out my drug card is going up 20% for next year! The cost
> > of health insurance is going through the roof, and I'm not going to
> > take it anymore! I'm going to drop my drug card, get the 40 mg
> > Crestor, and split it into eight parts - that is if my doc ever runs
> > out of samples.
> >
> > [email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > > [email hidden] (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > >
> > > Brad, I have seen reports of studies with results showing a high carb
> > > diet lowers HDL in men.
> > >
> > > About drinking alcohol, my cardiologist said just one or two drinks a
> > > week. I don't have a problem with my liver.
> > >
> > > Mel
> > >
> > > > Mel,
> > > >
> > > > re: why low hdl with high carbs? since unsaturated fat consumption
> > > > will be lower with high carb diets it follows that HDL will be lower.
> > > > A lower carb, higher "good" fat diet should raise HDL
> > > >
> > > > re: Zocor and moderate drinking. The prohibition is against any
> > > > statin and heavy drinking, not moderate drinking. See
> > > > http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:3xPcSeXVMlEJ:www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/foodnut/09361.pdf+zocor+moderate+drinking&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8
> > > >
> > > > Note: of course, if your liver function tests are poor, don't drink
> > > > alcohol.
> > > >
> > > > Alconol raises HDL by 10% for a comparison of the benefits of moderate
> > > > drinking VS statin drugs see:
> > > > http://www.acsh.org/publications/priorities/0801/pcyes.html
> > > >
> > > > BTW - got my Crestor today.
> > > >
> > > > [email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > > > > [email hidden] (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > > > >
> > > > > Brad, the question is why have some studies shown that a high carb
> > > > > diet lowers HDL for men?
> > > > >
> > > > > Zocor and booze? My information is that taking a drink a day and Zocor
> > > > > increases the possibility for liver damage. Who or what is saying
> > > > > taking a drink every day and a statin drug is okay?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mel
> > > > >
> > > > > > High carbs means lower fats. "Good" fats can raise HDL. "In studies
> > > > > > in which polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats were eaten in place
> > > > > > of carbohydrates, these good fats decreased LDL levels and increased
> > > > > > HDL levels. " See http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fats.html
> > > > > > Mel, are you having your drink a day yet? You should really read
> > > > > > http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/alcohol.html Statins
> > > > > > don't preclude moderate drinking. BTW - with my new diet my blood
> > > > > > pressure has dropped from 127/80 to 110/70 now. I wasn't expecting
> > > > > > that. Tomorrow is Crestor day!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > > > > > > Bob Cardone <cardone1!@!mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > > > > > > > [email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >[email hidden] ([email hidden]) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > > > > > > > >> I got my Cholesterol profile back today and here are the results;
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Total Cholesterol 142
> > > > > > > > >> LDL 75
> > > > > > > > >> HDL 52
> > > > > > > > >> triglycerides 74
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Are these results fair,good or excellent?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >I would say those are excellent numbers and sure wish I had your HDL
> > > > > > > > >number. What medication are you taking? What kind of exercise program
> > > > > > > > >are you doing? And what kind of eating program are you on? Low-fat
> > > > > > > > >High Carb or High-Fat & Low Carb?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Mel
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You left out , Low Fat & Good Carbs like the www.southbeachdiet.com.
> > > > > > > > I met someone yesterday that dropped 49 pounds on this diet and
> > > > > > > > stopped his BP medications and his Cholesterol went from bad to in the
> > > > > > > > good range.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bob
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just an oversight since I only eat good carbs. :-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The only thing I don't understand about carbs is why studies seem to
> > > > > > > show eating a high carb diet lowers HDL for men?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mel, eating good fats and good carbs. 🙂

Mel,

Sorry - try this link: http://www.astrazeneca-us.com/pi/crestor.pdf
So, Mel, how's your blood pressure? Ideal is now 115/75 - mine is
110/65 - 30 days ago it was 127/80. Are you getting a new blood test
for your HDL soon? I'll find out my lastest lipid profile this
Monday. I'm expecting another boost in my HDL, but we'll see.

[email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Brad, I clicked on your link but nothing happened. I also went to
Crestor's website and tried to get that pdf info but again nothing
happened. I have Adobe 6.0 and just can't understand the problem.

Mel

Quoted message said:

Hi Mel,

The material you'd get with the drug is all on their website in pdf
form: http://www.astrazeneca-us.com/cgi-bin/az_pi.cgi?product=crestor&country=us

It's over 25 pages long and gives you the complete info. "Clinical
adverse reactions" - the chart you're looking for, is on pg 17.

[email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Brad, the Crestor website doesn't provide detailed information
regarding side effects. The information I am seeking is the studies
done that give various side effects and their frequency.

Mel

> Mel,
>
> I didn't get that in my free 30 day sample (in a nice bag with an
> offer). I looked over the side effects on
> http://www.crestor.com/c/crestor/sideeffects.asp
> and they look very mild. I didn't compare it to Lipitor, tho. It's a
> little bit of a nuisance to split the 10 mg into 5 mg, the pills have
> no notch.
>
>
> [email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > [email hidden] (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> >
> > Brad, have you been able to get a copy of the literature from Crestor
> > showing the side effects and their frequency? I am speaking of that
> > little brochure or folding paper that manufacturers supply.
> >
> > Mel
> >
> > > Mel,
> > >
> > > Glad your liver is ok. Too bad your doc isn't up to snuff about
> > > moderate drinking - which has more proven benefits than statins
> > > according to several sources. I've started on my 5 mg Crestor today.
> > > Just found out my drug card is going up 20% for next year! The cost
> > > of health insurance is going through the roof, and I'm not going to
> > > take it anymore! I'm going to drop my drug card, get the 40 mg
> > > Crestor, and split it into eight parts - that is if my doc ever runs
> > > out of samples.
> > >
> > > [email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > > > [email hidden] (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > > >
> > > > Brad, I have seen reports of studies with results showing a high carb
> > > > diet lowers HDL in men.
> > > >
> > > > About drinking alcohol, my cardiologist said just one or two drinks a
> > > > week. I don't have a problem with my liver.
> > > >
> > > > Mel
> > > >
> > > > > Mel,
> > > > >
> > > > > re: why low hdl with high carbs? since unsaturated fat consumption
> > > > > will be lower with high carb diets it follows that HDL will be lower.
> > > > > A lower carb, higher "good" fat diet should raise HDL
> > > > >
> > > > > re: Zocor and moderate drinking. The prohibition is against any
> > > > > statin and heavy drinking, not moderate drinking. See
> > > > > http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:3xPcSeXVMlEJ:www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/foodnut/09361.pdf+zocor+moderate+drinking&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8
> > > > >
> > > > > Note: of course, if your liver function tests are poor, don't drink
> > > > > alcohol.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alconol raises HDL by 10% for a comparison of the benefits of moderate
> > > > > drinking VS statin drugs see:
> > > > > http://www.acsh.org/publications/priorities/0801/pcyes.html
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW - got my Crestor today.
> > > > >
> > > > > [email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > > > > > [email hidden] (Brad Sheppard) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brad, the question is why have some studies shown that a high carb
> > > > > > diet lowers HDL for men?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Zocor and booze? My information is that taking a drink a day and Zocor
> > > > > > increases the possibility for liver damage. Who or what is saying
> > > > > > taking a drink every day and a statin drug is okay?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mel
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > High carbs means lower fats. "Good" fats can raise HDL. "In studies
> > > > > > > in which polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats were eaten in place
> > > > > > > of carbohydrates, these good fats decreased LDL levels and increased
> > > > > > > HDL levels. " See http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fats.html
> > > > > > > Mel, are you having your drink a day yet? You should really read
> > > > > > > http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/alcohol.html Statins
> > > > > > > don't preclude moderate drinking. BTW - with my new diet my blood
> > > > > > > pressure has dropped from 127/80 to 110/70 now. I wasn't expecting
> > > > > > > that. Tomorrow is Crestor day!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > > > > > > > Bob Cardone <cardone1!@!mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > > > > > > > > [email hidden] (M. Schwartz) wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >[email hidden] ([email hidden]) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
> > > > > > > > > >> I got my Cholesterol profile back today and here are the results;
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> Total Cholesterol 142
> > > > > > > > > >> LDL 75
> > > > > > > > > >> HDL 52
> > > > > > > > > >> triglycerides 74
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> Are these results fair,good or excellent?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >I would say those are excellent numbers and sure wish I had your HDL
> > > > > > > > > >number. What medication are you taking? What kind of exercise program
> > > > > > > > > >are you doing? And what kind of eating program are you on? Low-fat
> > > > > > > > > >High Carb or High-Fat & Low Carb?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Mel
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You left out , Low Fat & Good Carbs like the www.southbeachdiet.com.
> > > > > > > > > I met someone yesterday that dropped 49 pounds on this diet and
> > > > > > > > > stopped his BP medications and his Cholesterol went from bad to in the
> > > > > > > > > good range.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Bob
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just an oversight since I only eat good carbs. :-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The only thing I don't understand about carbs is why studies seem to
> > > > > > > > show eating a high carb diet lowers HDL for men?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mel, eating good fats and good carbs. 🙂