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  1. http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20060414/bs_usatoday/ceossayhowyoutreatawaitercanpredictalotaboutcharacter

    CEOs say how you treat a waiter can predict a lot about character

    By Del Jones, USA TODAY
    Fri Apr 14, 7:57 AM ET

    "Office Depot CEO Steve Odland remembers like it was yesterday working in an
    upscale French restaurant in Denver.

    The purple sorbet in cut glass he was serving tumbled onto the expensive
    white gown of an obviously rich and important woman. "I watched in slow
    motion ruining her dress for the evening," Odland says. "I thought I would
    be shot on sight."

    Thirty years have passed, but Odland can't get the stain out of his mind,
    nor the woman's kind reaction. She was startled, regained composure and, in
    a reassuring voice, told the teenage Odland, "It's OK. It wasn't your
    fault." When she left the restaurant, she also left the future Fortune 500
    CEO with a life lesson: You can tell a lot about a person by the way he or
    she treats the waiter.

    Odland isn't the only CEO to have made this discovery. Rather, it seems to
    be one of those rare laws of the land that every CEO learns on the way up.
    It's hard to get a dozen CEOs to agree about anything, but all interviewed
    agree with the Waiter Rule.

    They acknowledge that CEOs live in a Lake Wobegon world where every dinner
    or lunch partner is above average in their deference. How others treat the
    CEO says nothing, they say. But how others treat the waiter is like a
    magical window into the soul.

    And beware of anyone who pulls out the power card to say something like, "I
    could buy this place and fire you," or "I know the owner and I could have
    you fired." Those who say such things have revealed more about their
    character than about their wealth and power.

    Whoever came up with the waiter observation "is bang spot on," says BMW
    North America President Tom Purves, a native of Scotland, a citizen of the
    United Kingdom and Northern Ireland, who lives in New York City with his
    Norwegian wife, Hilde, and works for a German company. That makes him
    qualified to speak on different cultures, and he says the waiter theory is
    true everywhere.

    The CEO who came up with it, or at least first wrote it down, is Raytheon
    CEO Bill Swanson. He wrote a booklet of 33 short leadership observations
    called Swanson's Unwritten Rules of Management. Raytheon has given away
    250,000 of the books.

    Among those 33 rules is only one that Swanson says never fails: "A person
    who is nice to you but rude to the waiter, or to others, is not a nice
    person."

    Swanson says he first noticed this in the 1970s when he was eating with a
    man who became "absolutely obnoxious" to a waiter because the restaurant did
    not stock a particular wine.

    "Watch out for people who have a situational value system, who can turn the
    charm on and off depending on the status of the person they are interacting
    with," Swanson writes. "Be especially wary of those who are rude to people
    perceived to be in subordinate roles."

    The Waiter Rule also applies to the way people treat hotel maids, mailroom
    clerks, bellmen and security guards. Au Bon Pain co-founder Ron Shaich, now
    CEO of Panera Bread, says he was interviewing a candidate for general
    counsel in St. Louis. She was "sweet" to Shaich but turned "amazingly rude"
    to someone cleaning the tables, Shaich says. She didn't get the job.

    Shaich says any time candidates are being considered for executive positions
    at Panera Bread, he asks his assistant, Laura Parisi, how they treated her,
    because some applicants are "pushy, self-absorbed and rude" to her before
    she transfers the call to him.

    Just about every CEO has a waiter story to tell. Dave Gould, CEO of Witness
    Systems, experienced the rule firsthand when a waitress dumped a full glass
    of red wine on the expensive suit of another CEO during a contract
    negotiation. The victim CEO put her at ease with a joke about not having had
    time to shower that morning. A few days later, when there was an apparent
    impasse during negotiations, Gould trusted that CEO to have the character to
    work out any differences.

    CEOs who blow up at waiters have an ego out of control, Gould says. "They're
    saying, 'I'm better. I'm smarter.' Those people tend not to be
    collaborative."

    "To some people, speaking in a condescending manner makes them feel
    important, which to me is a total turnoff," says Seymour Holtzman, chairman
    of Casual Male Retail Group, which operates big-and-tall men's clothing
    stores including Casual Male XL.

    How people were raised

    Such behavior is an accurate predictor of character because it isn't easily
    learned or unlearned but rather speaks to how people were raised, says Siki
    Giunta, CEO of U.S. technology company Managed Objects, a native of Rome who
    once worked as a London bartender.

    More recently, she had a boss who would not speak directly to the waiter but
    would tell his assistant what he wanted to eat, and the assistant would tell
    the waiter in a comical three-way display of pomposity. What did Giunta
    learn about his character? "That he was demanding and could not function
    well without a lot of hand-holding from his support system," she said.

    It's somewhat telling, Giunta says, that the more elegant the restaurant,
    the more distant and invisible the wait staff is. As if the more important
    the customer, the less the wait staff matters. People view waiters as their
    temporary personal employees. Therefore, how executives treat waiters
    probably demonstrates how they treat their actual employees, says Sara Lee
    CEO Brenda Barnes, a former waitress and postal clerk, who says she is a
    demanding boss but never shouts at or demeans an employee.

    "Sitting in the chair of CEO makes me no better of a person than the
    forklift operator in our plant," she says. "If you treat the waiter, or a
    subordinate, like garbage, guess what? Are they going to give it their all?
    I don't think so."

    CEOs aren't the only ones who have discovered the Waiter Rule. A November
    survey of 2,500 by It's Just Lunch, a dating service for professionals,
    found that being rude to waiters ranks No. 1 as the worst in dining
    etiquette, at 52%, way ahead of blowing your nose at the table, at 35%.

    Waiters say that early in a relationship, women will pull them aside to see
    how much their dates tipped, to get a read on their frugality and other
    tendencies. They are increasingly discussing boorish behavior by important
    customers at www.waiterrant.net and other blogs. They don't seem to mind the
    demanding customer, such as those who want meals prepared differently
    because of high blood pressure. But they have contempt for the arrogant
    customer.

    Rule works with celebrities, too

    The Waiter Rule also applies to celebrities, says Jimmy Rosemond, CEO of
    agency Czar Entertainment, who has brokered deals for Mike Tyson, Mario
    Winans and Guerilla Black. Rosemond declines to name names, but he remembers
    one dinner episode in Houston a few years back with a rude divisional
    president of a major music company.

    When dinner was over, Rosemond felt compelled to apologize to the waiter on
    the way out. "I said, 'Please forgive my friend for acting like that.' It's
    embarrassing. They go into rages for simple mistakes like forgetting an
    order."

    Rosemond says that particular music executive also treated his assistants
    and interns poorly - and was eventually fired.

    Odland says he saw all types of people 30 years ago as a busboy. "People
    treated me wonderfully and others treated me like dirt. There were a lot of
    ugly people. I didn't have the money or the CEO title at the time, but I had
    the same intelligence and raw ability as I have today.

    "Why would people treat me differently? Your value system and ethics need to
    be constant at all times regardless of who you are dealing with."

    Holtzman grew up in the coal-mining town of Wilkes-Barre, Pa., and in the
    1950s saw opportunity as a waiter 90 miles away in the Catskill Mountains,
    where customers did not tip until the end of the week. When they tipped
    poorly, he would say: "Sir, will you and your wife be tipping separately?"

    "I saw a lot of character, or the lack thereof," says Holtzman, who says he
    can still carry three dishes in his right hand and two in his left.

    "But for some twist of fate in life, they're the waiter and you're the one
    being waited on," Barnes says."

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    Copyright © 2006 USA TODAY, a division of Gannett Co. Inc.

  2. On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:58:45 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
    <[email hidden]> rummaged among
    random neurons and opined:

    Quoted message said:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20060414/bs_usatoday/ceossayhowyoutreatawaitercanpredictalotaboutcharacter

    CEOs say how you treat a waiter can predict a lot about character

    <snip>

    Wasn't this posted last week and discussed to death??

    Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
    AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

    "Most vigitaryans I iver see looked enough like their food to be
    classed as cannybals."

    Finley Peter Dunne (1900)

    To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

  3. Terry Pulliam Burd said:

    On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 02:58:45 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
    <[email hidden]> rummaged among
    random neurons and opined:

    Quoted message said:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20060414/bs_usatoday/ceossayhowyoutreatawaitercanpredictalotaboutcharacter

    CEOs say how you treat a waiter can predict a lot about character

    <snip>

    Wasn't this posted last week and discussed to death??

    Was it? If so, ignore it...sometimes I don't read every thread.

    --
    Best
    Greg

  4. Gregory Morrow said:


    http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20060414/bs_usatoday/ceossayhowyoutreatawaitercanpredictalotaboutcharacter

    Quoted message said:


    CEOs say how you treat a waiter can predict a lot about character

    By Del Jones, USA TODAY
    Fri Apr 14, 7:57 AM ET


    You are about a week late on this one, Greg.

    Jill BTDT

  5. jmcquown said:
    Gregory Morrow said:


    http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20060414/bs_usatoday/ceossayhowyoutreatawaitercanpredictalotaboutcharacter

    Quoted message said:


    CEOs say how you treat a waiter can predict a lot about character

    By Del Jones, USA TODAY
    Fri Apr 14, 7:57 AM ET


    You are about a week late on this one, Greg.

    Jill BTDT

    Yes, but how would you treat a waiter if they served you a 44-year old
    fruitcake?

    ;-)

    Rusty

  6. Gregory Morrow wrote:
    :: Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
    ::
    ::: Wasn't this posted last week and discussed to death??
    ::
    ::
    :: Was it? I don't read.
    ::
    :: --
    :: Best
    :: Greg

  7. jmcquown said:
    Gregory Morrow said:


    http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20060414/bs_usatoday/ceossayhowyoutreatawaitercanpredictalotaboutcharacter

    Quoted message said:


    CEOs say how you treat a waiter can predict a lot about character

    By Del Jones, USA TODAY
    Fri Apr 14, 7:57 AM ET


    You are about a week late on this one, Greg.

    Jill BTDT

    Yeah, but he quoted the whole article so I didn't have to go somewhere
    else to read it. Yeah, I'm lazy. <G>

    Going back to bed now.
    Carol
    --

    Some people are like Slinkies... they don't really have a purpose but
    they bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.

    Stolen from "traid" on the IRC

  8. Gregory Morrow pronounced:

    Quoted message said:

    CEOs say how you treat a waiter can predict a lot about character

    What burns me is when you are very nice to the waiter/ress and they give you
    [censored] service...

    --
    I made magic once. Now, the sofa is gone...
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