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  1. OK Gang, need some input here. (Perhaps a poll?) I've had my WONDERFUL Aero for about 3 weeks. I
    just posted a rather amusing. blowout experience here, I had this morning. (Monday) Since that
    event, I've begun to wonder if I really should be running such a HIGH Tire pressure (145 psi) in my
    Vredestein Fortezza, 571x23c tires, that are mounted on Velocity SPARTACUS PRO 650c. (The basic
    stock setup with my 2003 Aero) I ran the issue past a few of my roadie friends, guys that warm up at
    25+ mph. (One that actually runs a bike shop and is a Class A division cyclist) I've never had so
    many react with such wide open eyes and raised eyebrows, when I stated the psi I was running in my
    tires. "Everyone of them" suggested 115 to 120 psi and NOTHING OVER THAT. (For basic road cycling)
    So to my fellow Bacchetta cyclists or anyone running the same tire / wheel setup I am; how about
    your thoughts on this? What is a safe or acceptable psi pressure to inflate these tires to? EZ
    (Don't want EXPLODING TIRES) Biker :-)

    PS: For anyone that might be a member of groups.yahoo.comBacchetta Bikes I've posted
    it there too, in case you might be find the input useful.

  2. "EZ Biker :-\)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    OK Gang, need some input here. (Perhaps a poll?) I've had my WONDERFUL Aero for about 3 weeks. I
    just posted a rather amusing. blowout experience here, I had this morning. (Monday) Since that
    event, I've begun to wonder if I really should be running such a HIGH Tire pressure (145 psi) in
    my Vredestein Fortezza, 571x23c tires, that are mounted on Velocity SPARTACUS PRO 650c. (The
    basic stock setup with my 2003 Aero) I ran the issue past a few of my roadie friends, guys that
    warm up at 25+ mph. (One that actually runs a bike shop and is a Class A division cyclist) I've
    never had so many react with such wide open eyes and raised eyebrows, when I stated the psi I was
    running in my tires. "Everyone of them" suggested 115 to 120 psi and NOTHING OVER THAT. (For
    basic road cycling) So to my fellow Bacchetta cyclists or anyone running the same tire / wheel
    setup I am; how about your thoughts on this? What is a safe or acceptable psi pressure to inflate
    these tires to?

    I can't comment on your tire-wheel combination but on my DF bike,I have run 145 psi in 700c
    Vredestein Fortezza TriComps, on Mavic Open Pro Wheels, for 18 months with no problems.

    Harry Jiles

  3. In article <[email hidden]>, harryo says...

    Quoted message said:


    "EZ Biker :-\)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    OK Gang, need some input here. (Perhaps a poll?) I've had my WONDERFUL Aero for about 3 weeks. I
    just posted a rather amusing. blowout experience here, I had this morning. (Monday) Since that
    event, I've begun to wonder if I really should be running such a HIGH Tire pressure (145 psi) in
    my Vredestein Fortezza, 571x23c tires, that are mounted on Velocity SPARTACUS PRO 650c. (The
    basic stock setup with my 2003 Aero) I ran the issue past a few of my roadie friends, guys that
    warm up at 25+ mph. (One that actually runs a bike shop and is a Class A division cyclist) I've
    never had so many react with such wide open eyes and raised eyebrows, when I stated the psi I was
    running in my tires. "Everyone of them" suggested 115 to 120 psi and NOTHING OVER THAT. (For
    basic road cycling) So to my fellow Bacchetta cyclists or anyone running the same tire / wheel
    setup I am; how about your thoughts on this? What is a safe or acceptable psi pressure to inflate
    these tires to?

    I can't comment on your tire-wheel combination but on my DF bike,I have run 145 psi in 700c
    Vredestein Fortezza TriComps, on Mavic Open Pro Wheels, for 18 months with no problems.

    My wife tried running 150 psi in the tires on her Trek DF for one summer. It was a disaster, with
    one tube after another blowing out. She finally took the pressure down to 120 and the flats stopped
    just like that.

    Steve Christenesen Midland, MI

  4. Thanks harryo; I've gotten a few responses from the Bacchetta Yahoo Group. One apparent important
    factor is the specific inner tube I'm using. I'll be contacting my LBS today and find out what brand
    they use. EZ (Don't want EXPLODING TIRES) Biker :-)

    "harryo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...>

    Quoted message said:

    I can't comment on your tire-wheel combination but on my DF bike,I have run 145 psi in 700c
    Vredestein Fortezza TriComps, on Mavic Open Pro Wheels, for 18 months with no problems.

    Harry Jiles

  5. Thanks to you too Steve. I'm seriously thinking of taking the advice of some of my local GO FAST
    DFer's and run my Vredestein Fortezza tires at about 120
    psi, instead of a higher psi. I think the REAL thing to look for in my psi issue are the specific
    bicycle tubes I'm using. I'm confident the Vredestein tire is capable of the high psi, but not
    sure about the inner tube. EZ (Don't want EXPLODING TIRES) Biker :-)

    "Steve Christensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...>

    Quoted message said:

    My wife tried running 150 psi in the tires on her Trek DF for one summer.


    It

    Quoted message said:

    was a disaster, with one tube after another blowing out. She finally took


    the

    Quoted message said:

    pressure down to 120 and the flats stopped just like that.

    Steve Christenesen Midland, MI

  6. I quit trying to inflate my tire as hard as possible after my last crash on my DF. See below from
    Road Bike Rider

    Herman

    roadbikerider.comua4.htm

    The Case for Lower Tire Pressure

    DEAR UNCLE AL: Perhaps you can settle an argument at our bike club. I like riding 20-mm-wide tires
    inflated to 120-130 pounds. I feel faster because of what I think is lower rolling resistance.
    Others argue for a 23C width at 100-110 psi, saying these tires are more efficient because they
    absorb pavement irregularities better. I weigh 175 pounds and ride at an average of 18+ mph on a
    variety of road surfaces. So who's right about width and pressure? -- Greg C.

    UNCLE AL FIRES BACK: Soften up, Greg!

    Most everyone I know runs too much pressure. Welcome to the club. Over many years of testing and
    talking to guys who live on their bikes, I'm convinced there is little reason to run more than
    95-100 psi -- and there are compelling reasons to run 85-90 psi.

    High pressure, say 100-120 psi, guarantees short tire life, poor cornering and lots of punctures. A
    rock-solid tire cuts/punctures more easily than it would at a lower pressure. Also, a softer tire
    can "smear" -- conform better to objects encountered on the road. Why make the ride even rougher on
    America's ever-crumbling road surfaces?

    Admittedly, I weigh 210 pounds and ride on really poor road surfaces. These things influence my
    opinions. I run 85-90 psi front and 90-95 psi rear on 700x23C clincher tires. I do not have flats!
    Plus, bumps are less of an issue, and my bike corners as if on rails on high-speed descents. I get
    1,000-1,500 miles out of a rear tire. When I ran much higher pressure many years ago, I got no more
    than 500 miles.

    So, my advice is never to run smaller than 23C. Use good tubes, air them up before every ride and
    spend extra for premium tires -- they'll pay you back in extra mileage and better handling.

    One more thing: Don't buy a race-specific tire to train on. If it's advertised to last only 500
    miles, they aren't lying. Shaving grams off of training tires is silly and wasteful, and you won't
    get the low-weight advantage when event time comes if you ride the light stuff all the time. Make
    gram shaving your secret weapon, if only in your mind, when it counts.

    Do as I recommend and I promise fewer flats, happier miles and no noticeable increase in rolling
    resistance (the great myth). Plus, you'll waste fewer resources, both financial and natural.

    FROM ARNIE L.: As a roadie of 20+ years, but a new reader of RoadBikeRider, I was intrigued (and
    skeptical) of your advice to lower tire pressure. I have been riding at 125 psi or more, concerned
    about rolling resistance (although the extra 10 pounds around my waist probably matters a whole lot
    more to my performance).

    Well, I thought I'd try it. I lowered my pressure to 105 psi. What a great difference! I haven't
    really noticed any change in performance, but what a difference in the ride! One of my usual rides
    over badly cracked roads (usual Pennsylvania stuff) was sooo much more comfortable. It seemed like
    the road had been repaved. Thanks for the advice.

    FROM MICHAEL A.: Recently, a friend told me about your promotion of lower tire pressure. GREAT!

    In the early 1960s, I rode the kermesses around Antwerp for a team sponsored by "Cycles OK." We
    always rode tubulars at about 90 psi with great results -- fewer flats and better handling,
    especially in the rain (a frequent occurrence in Flanders).

    I've tried to promote lower pressure as a coach with the New York Cycle Club, with little success.
    My fellow club members see my gray hair and my inability to keep up with the hormonely besot, and
    reject my advice. It's great that you're putting out this sound advice.

    EZ Biker :-) said:

    OK Gang, need some input here. (Perhaps a poll?) I've had my WONDERFUL Aero for about 3 weeks. I
    just posted a rather amusing. blowout experience here, I had this morning. (Monday) Since that
    event, I've begun to wonder if I really should be running such a HIGH Tire pressure (145 psi) in
    my Vredestein Fortezza, 571x23c tires, that are mounted on Velocity SPARTACUS PRO 650c. (The basic
    stock setup with my 2003 Aero) I ran the issue past a few of my roadie friends, guys that warm up
    at 25+ mph. (One that actually runs a bike shop and is a Class A division cyclist) I've never had
    so many react with such wide open eyes and raised eyebrows, when I stated the psi I was running in
    my tires. "Everyone of them" suggested 115 to 120 psi and NOTHING OVER THAT. (For basic road
    cycling) So to my fellow Bacchetta cyclists or anyone running the same tire / wheel setup I am;
    how about your thoughts on this? What is a safe or acceptable psi pressure to inflate these tires
    to? EZ (Don't want EXPLODING TIRES) Biker :-)

    PS: For anyone that might be a member of groups.yahoo.comBacchetta Bikes I've
    posted it there too, in case you might be find the input useful.

  7. "EZ Biker :-\)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<ehE9b.364768$cF.109302@rwcrnsc53>...

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks harryo; I've gotten a few responses from the Bacchetta Yahoo Group. One apparent important
    factor is the specific inner tube I'm using. I'll be contacting my LBS today and find out what
    brand they use.

    I'm not completely certain, but I believe I have mainly used Continental tubes.

    Harry Jiles

  8. In article <JDE9b.476205$uu5.82067@sccrnsc04>, EZ Biker :-\) says...

    Quoted message said:


    Thanks to you too Steve. I'm seriously thinking of taking the advice of some of my local GO FAST
    DFer's and run my Vredestein Fortezza tires at about 120
    psi, instead of a higher psi. I think the REAL thing to look for in my psi issue are the specific
    bicycle tubes I'm using. I'm confident the Vredestein tire is capable of the high psi, but not
    sure about the inner tube. EZ (Don't want EXPLODING TIRES) Biker :-)

    Well, in my wife's case it was clearly the tubes that were failing - but she was using Vredestein
    tubes too! So I just concluded that the tubes were likely to be the weak link at those pressures,
    and we decided that the lower rolling resistance wasn't worth all the flats.

    Steve Christensen

  9. Herman, Thanks for the really HEADS UP articles! I think you all are onto something here. I've had
    even more local DFer's advise me to run A LOT LESS
    psi (115 - 120psi) and I'm incline to trust what they say - as I have ridden with them (WELL,
    actually way back behind them... <Grin>😉 for some time. SO, I think I'll try 120 psi on my
    Vredestein Fortezza, 571x23c tires and see what happens. (I did post an update on my blowout, in
    that my tube was torn, in such a manner that my tire bead either was not properly seated or it
    came unseated, in the early minutes of my ride) Still after all of this, I'm having the MOST FUN
    on my Aero! I'm beginning to get that at ease feel with it, the more I ride it. I'm getting a lot
    of looks from the local DFer's too. EZ Biker :-) Pompano Beach, Fl. (Aero & GRR Ti Aero Pilot)

    "hwadler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I quit trying to inflate my tire as hard as possible after my last crash on my DF. See below from
    Road Bike Rider

    Herman

  10. Harry, I took my Aero in for some minor shift issues (Still LOVE those barcon shifters!) and had
    them go ahead and replace the tubes with Continental / long stem ones. EZ Biker :-) Pompano Beach,
    Fl. (Aero & GRR Ti Aero Pilot)

    "harryo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not completely certain, but I believe I have mainly used Continental


    tubes.

    Quoted message said:


    Harry Jiles

  11. I was also shock when I saw my bike mechanic inflating my tires to 9 bars (132 psi), and the tire says max pressure 8, which is already too much. he told me that as long as they don´t blow up in your face, more is always better. since then I inflate everything as much as I can (120-140 psi) with no problems and have lower resistance and fewer flats.

    I have a 559 tires, either 1-1/8 specialized slicks or 1-1/4 swalbes city marathons can hold 132psi with no problem, the trick with this is to inflate them, most gas stations don´t keep the pressure of the compresors adove 115psi and my hand pump dosen´t go beyound 70psi.

    Javier Bonet
    Tarragona, spain
    M5 26/26 USS

  12. Dear EZ Biker :-)" ,

    I have had the Vredestein Fortezza TriComps for 3 or 4 years. I always fill them to 155 psi, and do
    not refill them for a week or two. I have never had a blowout. I have, however, had pinch flats when
    the tire has not been refilled for over a week (it is about 120 psi after a week). I think you must
    have had either a defective tire or tire pressure gage to have a blowout at 145.

    Andy

    "EZ Biker :-)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OK Gang, need some input here. (Perhaps a poll?) I've had my WONDERFUL


    Aero

    Quoted message said:

    for about 3 weeks. I just posted a rather amusing. blowout experience


    here,

    Quoted message said:

    I had this morning. (Monday) Since that event, I've begun to wonder if I really should be running
    such a HIGH Tire pressure (145 psi) in my Vredestein Fortezza, 571x23c tires, that are mounted on
    Velocity SPARTACUS PRO 650c. (The basic stock setup with my 2003 Aero) I ran the issue past a few
    of my roadie friends, guys that warm up at 25+ mph. (One that actually runs a bike shop and is a
    Class A division cyclist) I've never had so many react with such wide open eyes and raised
    eyebrows, when I stated the psi


    I

    Quoted message said:

    was running in my tires. "Everyone of them" suggested 115 to 120 psi and NOTHING OVER THAT. (For
    basic road cycling) So to my fellow Bacchetta cyclists or anyone running the same tire / wheel
    setup I am; how about


    your

    Quoted message said:

    thoughts on this? What is a safe or acceptable psi pressure to inflate


    these

    Quoted message said:

    tires to? EZ (Don't want EXPLODING TIRES) Biker :-)

    PS: For anyone that might be a member of groups.yahoo.comBacchetta Bikes I've
    posted it there too, in case you might be find the input useful.

  13. First, thanks to all that have offered VERY APPRECIATED input, concerning my
    psi issue. Went to my LBS today and learned that my rear tire AGAIN had become un-seated, in a test
    ride. Closer inspection of the Vredestein Fortezza tire, revealed a couple of inches of scuffed up
    area on the bead line. Clearly, this posed a safety risk problem to try and continue to use this
    particular tire; so I may be changing tire brands for the time being. My LBS is going to contact
    some people about this. In the meantime, I'm probably going to go with the Continental GP (120
    psi) with wire bead tire for my bike. I've used similar Conti tires like this on my other bikes
    and have not had any problems with them. I should know for sure in about a day or two. Regardless
    I continue to be a VERY SATISFIED BACCHETTA AERO CUSTOMER! :-) :-) :-) (I just don't want to get
    into a wreck with my new Baby!) EZ Biker :-) Pompano Beach, Fl. (Aero & GRR Ti Pilot)

    "jabonet73" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I was also shock when I saw my bike mechanic inflating my tires to 9 bars (132 psi), and the tire
    says max pressure 8, which is already too much.

  14. EZ, I run the Fortezzas at 145 on both the Sparticus and HEDs. I have close to 5K on these tires. I
    have had no flats. I did have a valve go bad on a Hutchenson Ultra Lite tube. HOWEVER, I can count
    the flats I have had since 1999 on one hand with the thumb missing. I have had one flat on a Comp
    Pool, one on a Specialized Fat Boy and one on a Hutchenson Carbon Comp which literaly came apart on
    my Strada. The last puncture flat was on a Schwalbe Stevelo a shard of glass that would have taken
    out a Maxiss Hookworm. I have always ran my tires at the highest pressuure recommended (30 years of
    averaging 5K) Trans Am on a DF with Specialzed K4's 2 flats. Caribou to Key West same tires one
    flat???? Am I lucky? Yes somewhat...However, I see and avoid road hazards that others plow right
    thru. Why? I don't know? Case in point...One day I was riding with Al and he was about 20 ft ahead.
    Ahead of him on the edge of the sholder I saw a squirrl....The squirrel ran right between Al's
    wheels. I sprinted up to him and said "That squirrel almost got you" He replied "What squirrel? I
    have a fleet of rental bikes. The tires are run at the max recommended pressure topped off every
    Monday. Very few flats. I see my competitions rentals on slack tires and his get many flats. At 145
    psi you must have adaquate rim tape and a burrless rim interior. I have often wondered why I don't
    get flats and others that ride the same roads do. I have no clue. Hope to see you in January...I
    just made my flight arrangements to the Vegas show Oct 11,12/13th. Possibly I'll win some money to
    be able to afford to stay at a motel or two in FL otherwise its camping.
    --
    Jude....///Bacchetta AERO St. Michaels and Tilghman Island.. Maryland Wheel Doctor Cycle and Sports,
    Inc 1-800-586-6645 "EZ Biker :-)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:JDE9b.476205$uu5.82067@sccrnsc04...

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks to you too Steve. I'm seriously thinking of taking the advice of


    some

    Quoted message said:

    of my local GO FAST DFer's and run my Vredestein Fortezza tires at about


    120

    Quoted message said:

    psi, instead of a higher psi. I think the REAL thing to look for in my psi issue are the specific
    bicycle tubes I'm using. I'm confident the


    Vredestein

    Quoted message said:

    tire is capable of the high psi, but not sure about the inner tube. EZ (Don't want EXPLODING
    TIRES) Biker :-)

    "Steve Christensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...>

    Quoted message said:

    My wife tried running 150 psi in the tires on her Trek DF for one


    summer.

    Quoted message said:

    It

    Quoted message said:

    was a disaster, with one tube after another blowing out. She finally


    took

    Quoted message said:

    the

    Quoted message said:

    pressure down to 120 and the flats stopped just like that.

    Steve Christenesen Midland, MI


  15. Thanks Andy, I believe it's a defective tire, as (In my update post) a small area was detected where
    it was scuffed up. Looked like someone might have tried to use a screwdriver putting it on the rim
    or something. As I have just posted to Jude, I'll be using Continental GPs for now; my LBS doesn't
    carry any Fortezza tires. I'm also more comfortable knowing there is a "Wire" bead in place instead
    of just a molded one. EZ Biker :-) Pompano Beach, Fl. (Bacchetta Aero Pilot)

    "Andy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Dear EZ Biker :-)" ,

    I have had the Vredestein Fortezza TriComps for 3 or 4 years. I always


    fill

    Quoted message said:

    them to 155 psi, and do not refill them for a week or two.

  16. "EZ Biker :-\)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message:

    I'll be using Continental GPs for now; my LBS doesn't

    Quoted message said:

    carry any Fortezza tires. I'm also more comfortable knowing there is a "Wire" bead in place
    instead of just a molded one.

    Hey EZ, I'm Paranoid as Hell too about my Fortezza's and my HED H3 wheel. I'm afraid to ride over
    25 mph now and I never go down large Hills without my brakes on. My decent into fear started the
    very same day you shot that guy in Florida.

    I had an old H3 that I used to ride on my V-rex and I thought I'd put the sucker on the Aero. So I
    put in a 4-year-old tube and mounted the Fortezza. I started pumping and when the tire gauge reach
    120, the tube exploded and the whole True family ran to the garage to see who had shot me!

    One tube down.

    So now I find a newer Performance Brand tube and stick the sucker in the H3 and Fortezza. Start
    pumping like a mad [censored] and watch the tire gauge hit 120 and POW POP! Another drive by shooting
    in the TRUE garage.

    Two tubes down.

    I search the rim on the H3 and see that there is a serial number etched into the rim, with just the
    slightest burr. So I cover this with electrician tape, mount Performance tube number 3, Pump the
    sucker up past 120....130....140....145.

    And it holds! Yee Ha!

    I throw on my helmet, crank down the street, do a great downhill at 35 mph, crest the hill and
    BANG! Tube number three explodes! I wobble to a halt and thank God it didn't exploded on the
    fast downhill.

    So I'm out of tubes and full of fear.

    My Local bike shop only has Bontrager tubes in 650c size. So the next day, I take a chance with the
    Bontrager tubes. They pump up to 140 and don't explode in the garage. But now, I afraid to ride down
    any hills at more than 25 mph. I've lost all my confidence in the H3-Fortezz combination.

    I rode 20 miles last night without a flat. But at any speed, I'm thinking "What if I flat now?"
    Will I survive?

    Before the H3, I LOVED the Fortezz's! They roll better than anything else.

    Right now I'm blaming everything on old tubes. If I can just get in 100 miles or so with the
    H3-Fortezz combination, I'll get my confidence back and do some serious downhill speeds.

    Don (Living in constant fear)

  17. EZ,

    Quoted message said:

    I'm also more comfortable knowing there is a "Wire" bead in place instead of just a molded one.

    Those folding tires do not have "just a molded" bead. They have a Kevlar aramid fiber bead, which is
    stronger than steel. The important thing on any tire is a good tight fit between tire bead and rim
    seat. There is, unfortunately, considerable variation in circumference amongst different
    brands/batches of rims and tires. The industry really needs to tighten up on requirements for rim
    and tire tolerances. This not being the auto industry, it will likely never happen.

    Warren

  18. EZ,

    Quoted message said:

    I'm also more comfortable knowing there is a "Wire" bead in place instead of just a molded one.

    Those folding tires do not have "just a molded" bead. They have a Kevlar aramid fiber bead, which is
    stronger than steel. The important thing on any tire is a good tight fit between tire bead and rim
    seat. There is, unfortunately, considerable variation in circumference amongst different
    brands/batches of rims and tires. The industry really needs to tighten up on requirements for rim
    and tire tolerances. This not being the auto industry, it will likely never happen.

    Warren

  19. WOW Don, you are just as bad off as me!!!! <Grin> And you have touched on the EXACT Phobia's I've
    had. (Hummm, I wonder if we're related... :-) You also destroyed my hope that moving to HED 3 rims
    might be an alternative way to go. Guess not, for now; tubes blow in them as well.

    SO, I'm REALLY happy there are many others that are having wonderful luck with Fortezza tires and
    are able to confidently pump and run them up to 145+
    psi. I'm not one of them though and will hang with some tried and true Continental GPs (With a
    "WIRE" bead) along with Continental inner tubes. I can happily run them at 120 psi too. BUT, we
    will find out this weekend.!

    EZ Biker :-) Pompano Beach, Fl. (Bacchetta Aero Pilot)

    "Truestorys" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...> Right now I'm blaming everything on old
    tubes. If I can just get in

    Quoted message said:

    100 miles or so with the H3-Fortezz combination, I'll get my confidence back and do some serious
    downhill speeds.

    Don (Living in constant fear)

  20. Wow Don, I have an H3 on the front of my Aero. I use Fortezzas so far no problems. Had both the H3
    and Disk at HED and Ann had them gone over by their resident expert. I don't use the HEDs on hilly
    rides. I care not to carry that heavy disk up hill so I use a lighter wheelset. Did you investigate
    where and how your blowouts are occuring? I have had two Fortezzas on my H3 (F) and nota problem in
    say 2K. The original skinwall and now a new Blackwall. The Fortezzas come stock on the AERO and I
    have not heard many complaints about them. One must however take in road conditions...mine are very
    good and conducive to tire longevity. I have not thought a whole lot about the tube issue. I have
    the original tubes in the stock wheelset and Hutchenson Ultra Lites (70m) in the HEDs. I had no real
    reason to use them except they were handy and a few of my more weight concious Tri Guys with 571
    wheels prefer them.

    --
    Jude....///Bacchetta AERO St. Michaels and Tilghman Island.. Maryland Wheel Doctor Cycle and Sports,
    Inc 1-800-586-6645 "Truestorys" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "EZ Biker :-\)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message:

    I'll be using Continental GPs for now; my LBS doesn't

    Quoted message said:

    carry any Fortezza tires. I'm also more comfortable knowing there is a "Wire" bead in place
    instead of just a molded one.

    Hey EZ, I'm Paranoid as Hell too about my Fortezza's and my HED H3 wheel. I'm afraid to ride over
    25 mph now and I never go down large Hills without my brakes on. My decent into fear started the
    very same day you shot that guy in Florida.

    I had an old H3 that I used to ride on my V-rex and I thought I'd put the sucker on the Aero. So I
    put in a 4-year-old tube and mounted the Fortezza. I started pumping and when the tire gauge reach
    120, the tube exploded and the whole True family ran to the garage to see who had shot me!

    One tube down.

    So now I find a newer Performance Brand tube and stick the sucker in the H3 and Fortezza. Start
    pumping like a mad [censored] and watch the tire gauge hit 120 and POW POP! Another drive by shooting
    in the TRUE garage.

    Two tubes down.

    I search the rim on the H3 and see that there is a serial number etched into the rim, with just
    the slightest burr. So I cover this with electrician tape, mount Performance tube number 3, Pump
    the sucker up past 120....130....140....145.

    And it holds! Yee Ha!

    I throw on my helmet, crank down the street, do a great downhill at 35 mph, crest the hill and
    BANG! Tube number three explodes! I wobble to a halt and thank God it didn't exploded on the fast
    downhill.

    So I'm out of tubes and full of fear.

    My Local bike shop only has Bontrager tubes in 650c size. So the next day, I take a chance with
    the Bontrager tubes. They pump up to 140 and don't explode in the garage. But now, I afraid to
    ride down any hills at more than 25 mph. I've lost all my confidence in the H3-Fortezz
    combination.

    I rode 20 miles last night without a flat. But at any speed, I'm thinking "What if I flat now?"
    Will I survive?

    Before the H3, I LOVED the Fortezz's! They roll better than anything else.

    Right now I'm blaming everything on old tubes. If I can just get in 100 miles or so with the
    H3-Fortezz combination, I'll get my confidence back and do some serious downhill speeds.

    Don (Living in constant fear)

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