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  1. Original post
    Geoff Berrow
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    Having gotten my waterproof trousers well and truly muddy last week, I
    thought they would be a good item to test the Comfort fabric softener..

    I rinsed out the washing machine and used soap flakes for the wash and
    Comfort pure concentrate for the fabric conditioning. I also threw in
    my Goretex gaiters.

    After washing and tumble drying I must say, I am very pleased with the
    result. Initial tests show good beading. And at such a low cost it
    doesn't matter if I have to do it once a week.

    The Comfort Pure appears to be unscented and the trousers doesn't really
    smell of anything. So that's a lot better than the rather smelly
    Nikwax.

    Definitely not an April Fool.
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    Geoff Berrow (put thecat out to email)
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  2. Bootlaces
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    Whilst perambulating through uk.rec.walking
    I noticed Geoff Berrow <[email hidden]>
    had opined on Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:16:44 +0100
    in <news:[email hidden]>:
    <->

    Quoted message said:

    After washing and tumble drying I must say, I am very pleased with the
    result. Initial tests show good beading. And at such a low cost it
    doesn't matter if I have to do it once a week.

    Please report back with results in about 12 months of regime. One
    swallow does not a summer make, etc.

    --
    Beware of placing too much emphasis on the easily measured

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  3. Geoff Berrow
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    Message-ID: <[email hidden]> from
    Bootlaces contained the following:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    After washing and tumble drying I must say, I am very pleased with the
    result. Initial tests show good beading. And at such a low cost it
    doesn't matter if I have to do it once a week.

    Please report back with results in about 12 months of regime. One
    swallow does not a summer make, etc.

    Well you could wait of you want to - or you could do what I've done and
    try it yourself on stuff that doesn't matter too much.

    There is no doubt that there is a massive amount of hype surrounding
    'high tech' products and clothing - with prices to match. It's the
    Stella Artois effect,'reassuringly expensive'.

    --
    Geoff Berrow (put thecat out to email)
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  4. Bootlaces
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    Whilst perambulating through uk.rec.walking
    I noticed Geoff Berrow <[email hidden]>
    had opined on Wed, 12 Apr 2006 00:17:00 +0100
    in <news:[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    Message-ID: <[email hidden]> from
    Bootlaces contained the following:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    After washing and tumble drying I must say, I am very pleased with the
    result. Initial tests show good beading. And at such a low cost it
    doesn't matter if I have to do it once a week.

    Please report back with results in about 12 months of regime. One
    swallow does not a summer make, etc.

    Well you could wait of you want to - or you could do what I've done and
    try it yourself on stuff that doesn't matter too much.

    I don't have any of that.

    Quoted message said:

    There is no doubt that there is a massive amount of hype surrounding
    'high tech' products and clothing - with prices to match. It's the
    Stella Artois effect,'reassuringly expensive'.

    One can see where you're coming from, but ...

    --
    Up a mountain
    Down a beer

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  5. Geoff Berrow
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    Message-ID: <[email hidden]> from
    Bootlaces contained the following:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Well you could wait of you want to - or you could do what I've done and
    try it yourself on stuff that doesn't matter too much.

    I don't have any of that.

    Nothing old? Nothing just about due to be replaced? In that case,
    lucky you.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    There is no doubt that there is a massive amount of hype surrounding
    'high tech' products and clothing - with prices to match. It's the
    Stella Artois effect,'reassuringly expensive'.

    One can see where you're coming from, but ...

    But what? I used to work for an oil blending company. Motor oil is
    made to a specification, a combination of base oil and an additive pack.
    An engine manufacturer would specify a certain oil specification. Now
    as long as you buy oil which meets that spec and change it as directed,
    the cheapest oil is as good as the best. In fact the factory used to
    fill branded and unbranded containers with essentially the same product.

    But the influence of branding and price is powerful. It makes sense to
    pay a high price for something if it gives you the performance you
    desire. It doesn't make sense to automatically assume you are getting
    the best just /because/ you are paying a high price.

    I just need some rain now to test my kit...
    --
    Geoff Berrow (put thecat out to email)
    It's only Usenet, no one dies.
    My opinions, not the committee's, mine.
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  6. Peter Clinch
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    Geoff Berrow said:

    I just need some rain now to test my kit...

    I think an opportunity may avail itself for that soon...

    Main things that need comparison are not just how long a treatment lasts
    in terms of time before the next application (as you say, if it's
    basically no-cost on washing then so what?), but how long before things
    really start to wet out. Maybe one gaiter with each treatment for a
    comparison, which has an advantage that you can do some pretty
    systematic testing on otherwise identical things armed with a lawn
    sprinkler or similar at home.

    I would be quite surprised if an "accidental" result from the Comfort
    really was up with the game on this front as well as just a quick
    once-only test, but I won't rule it out yet!

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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  7. Geoff Berrow
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    Message-ID: <[email hidden]> from Peter Clinch contained
    the following:

    Quoted message said:

    Main things that need comparison are not just how long a treatment lasts
    in terms of time before the next application (as you say, if it's
    basically no-cost on washing then so what?), but how long before things
    really start to wet out. Maybe one gaiter with each treatment for a
    comparison, which has an advantage that you can do some pretty
    systematic testing on otherwise identical things armed with a lawn
    sprinkler or similar at home.

    Actually I'd need three, so that I could leave one untreated as a
    control.

    Quoted message said:


    I would be quite surprised if an "accidental" result from the Comfort
    really was up with the game on this front

    Me too!. After all, no other product uses silicone and one would assume
    there was a reason for that.

    Of the items I have tested so far, the goretex gaiters seem to perform
    best. I'm not so pleased with the Peter Storm Jacket which is showing
    more of a tendency to wet out than the gaiters. But at least it doesn't
    smell as bad as it did with the Nikwax.

    It may well be worth trying it on items that are not exactly waterproof
    but doe have some shower resistance when new. I'm thinking, walking
    trousers etc.

    I still have a lot left.so I'll doa few more tests. :-)
    --
    Geoff Berrow (put thecat out to email)
    It's only Usenet, no one dies.
    My opinions, not the committee's, mine.
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  8. Chriss
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    Peter Clinch said:

    I would be quite surprised if an "accidental" result from the Comfort
    really was up with the game on this front as well as just a quick
    once-only test, but I won't rule it out yet!


    According to Paramo information their Nikwax proofing works by coating
    every fibre with an elastomer to repel water. Comfort works by
    covering every fibre with some silicone-based products to reduce
    friction. It could be that an unintended side-effect of this is also
    to waterproof the fabric.

    My tests so far are very encouraging, and certainly the beading
    straight after treatment is perfect. If it doesn't as as long as
    Nikwax (although the Trail results show Comfort was up there with the
    best) it doesn't really matter, because at 6.2p per application I can
    proof frequently. 🙂
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