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  1. With the countless injuries caused by running, one has to wonder if the human foot and knee were ever meant to take such punishment? Other parts of the body may suffer hidden trauma. It seems that running evolved for short sprints (i.e. chasing game) and that walking is much more natural for long distances. The distance and speed a person can tolerate obviously varies, but there's a reason most people don't keep it up into later years. I also think running during youth sets people up for injuries that prevent them from exercising later; often when they need it most.

    Runners typically have pained looks on their faces and it's intuitive to question why. Repetitive heavy impact on joints just doesn't seem natural. I am NOT denying that running is good for the lungs and heart, but there are other ways to achieve such health. Walking can accomplish plenty if done with vigor, especially uphill. Who's to say that extreme cardio doesn't wear out the sytem prematurely? They say "everything in moderation."

    Even four-legged animals with gentler weight distribution resort to a low-impact trot unless prodded. With only two legs, the human gait lacks the fluidity and shock absorption of a horse or dog. All that pounding has to take a toll on various organs, let alone joints. The need for running bras should be a hint and men have their own hyper-gravity issues. It also can't be good for the brain to be jostled repeatedly in the skull.

    In anticipation of some edgy responses, this is not a troll, it's a serious medical question. I hear about too many injuries to believe that running itself is benign and one's "form" just needs to be corrected.

    R.J.

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    With the countless injuries caused by running, one has to wonder if the human foot and knee were ever meant to take >such punishment? Other parts of the body may suffer hidden trauma. It seems that running evolved for short sprints (i.e. >chasing game) and that walking is much more natural for long distances. The distance and speed a person can tolerate >obviously varies, but there's a reason most people don't keep it up into later years.

    Define "later years." I'm 56 and don't have any problem getting it up.

    Quoted message said:

    Runners typically have pained looks on their faces

    When reading a post like yours.

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    The need for running bras should be a hint and men have their own hyper-gravity issues.
    It also can't be good for the >brain to be jostled repeatedly in the skull.

    Sorry to disappoint you but I've never had the need or desire to wear a
    running bra. You might be on to something about my brain being jostled.

  3. Quoted message said:

    With the countless injuries caused by running, one has to wonder if the human foot and knee were ever meant to take such punishment? Other parts of the body may suffer hidden trauma. It seems that running evolved for short sprints (i.e. chasing game) and that walking is much more natural for long distances. The distance and speed a person can tolerate obviously varies, but there's a reason most people don't keep it up into later years. I also think running during youth sets people up for injuries that prevent them from exercising later; often when they need it most.

    Runners typically have pained looks on their faces and it's intuitive to question why. Repetitive heavy impact on joints just doesn't seem natural. I am NOT denying that running is good for the lungs and heart, but there are other ways to achieve such health. Walking can accomplish plenty if done with vigor, especially uphill. Who's to say that extreme cardio doesn't wear out the sytem prematurely? They say "everything in moderation."

    Even four-legged animals with gentler weight distribution resort to a low-impact trot unless prodded. With only two legs, the human gait lacks the fluidity and shock absorption of a horse or dog. All that pounding has to take a toll on various organs, let alone joints. The need for running bras should be a hint and men have their own hyper-gravity issues. It also can't be good for the brain to be jostled repeatedly in the skull.

    In anticipation of some edgy responses, this is not a troll, it's a serious medical question. I hear about too many injuries to believe that running itself is benign and one's "form" just needs to be corrected.

    R.J.

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    RJ,
    I can fit what you know about running in Beach Runners jock strap
    (specially made in "extra tiny"😉.
    You are exceptionally stupid, it's not worth even replying.

  4. email hidden said:

    Define "later years." I'm 56 and don't have any problem getting it up.

    John Kelley.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Runners typically have pained looks on their faces

    When reading a post like yours.

    LMFAO! Good one Bill

    Quoted message said:

    Sorry to disappoint you but I've never had the need or desire to wear a
    running bra.

    Um Bill? You obviously don't remember that night we got REALLY REALLY
    drunk, and went to that bar called "Rear Entrance". I have it on tape
    if you forgot...
    P.S. Keep those checks coming, or this tape might accidently leak out.

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    You might be on to something about my brain being jostled.

    Not nearly as much as the dummy who posted that.

  5. I'm going to save a lot of electrons, you are wrong on every point. If
    fact I don't think I ever seen a post that had more incorrect
    assumptions.

    If you don't have the balls to post under your own name you don't
    deserve a point by point answer.

    Quoted message said:

    With the countless injuries caused by running, one has to wonder if the
    human foot and knee were ever meant to take such punishment? Other parts
    of the body may suffer hidden trauma. It seems that running evolved for
    short sprints (i.e. chasing game) and that walking is much more natural
    for long distances. The distance and speed a person can tolerate obviously
    varies, but there's a reason most people don't keep it up into later
    years. I also think running during youth sets people up for injuries that
    prevent them from exercising later; often when they need it most.

    Runners typically have pained looks on their faces and it's intuitive to
    question why. Repetitive heavy impact on joints just doesn't seem natural.
    I am NOT denying that running is good for the lungs and heart, but there
    are other ways to achieve such health. Walking can accomplish plenty if
    done with vigor, especially uphill. Who's to say that extreme cardio
    doesn't wear out the sytem prematurely? They say "everything in
    moderation."

    Even four-legged animals with gentler weight distribution resort to a
    low-impact trot unless prodded. With only two legs, the human gait lacks
    the fluidity and shock absorption of a horse or dog. All that pounding has
    to take a toll on various organs, let alone joints. The need for running
    bras should be a hint and men have their own hyper-gravity issues. It also
    can't be good for the brain to be jostled repeatedly in the skull.

    In anticipation of some edgy responses, this is not a troll, it's a
    serious medical question. I hear about too many injuries to believe that
    running itself is benign and one's "form" just needs to be corrected.

    R.J.

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  6. A couple summaries of same Nature article suggesting that humans did
    evolve to run long distances.
    http://scienceweek.com/2005/sa050121-3.htm
    http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6681

    We continue to evolve in some parts of the world now to use heavy shoes,
    automobiles, sit in front of computer screens, etc.

    Dot

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    "Success is different things to different people"
    -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  7. vv Pure horseshit troll material. Numerous articles refute everything you
    say, including one I just saw in the most recent Discover magazine. Running
    makes you stronger and healthier. Anything can be overdone, but what running
    does is point out in a way nothing else can exactly what condition you're
    currently in, on many levels.

    -Tony

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    Quoted message said:

    With the countless injuries caused by running, one has to wonder if the


    human foot and knee were ever meant to take such punishment? Other parts of
    the body may suffer hidden trauma. It seems that running evolved for short
    sprints (i.e. chasing game) and that walking is much more natural for long
    distances. The distance and speed a person can tolerate obviously varies,
    but there's a reason most people don't keep it up into later years. I also
    think running during youth sets people up for injuries that prevent them
    from exercising later; often when they need it most.

    Quoted message said:


    Runners typically have pained looks on their faces and it's intuitive to


    question why. Repetitive heavy impact on joints just doesn't seem natural. I
    am NOT denying that running is good for the lungs and heart, but there are
    other ways to achieve such health. Walking can accomplish plenty if done
    with vigor, especially uphill. Who's to say that extreme cardio doesn't wear
    out the sytem prematurely? They say "everything in moderation."

    Quoted message said:


    Even four-legged animals with gentler weight distribution resort to a


    low-impact trot unless prodded. With only two legs, the human gait lacks the
    fluidity and shock absorption of a horse or dog. All that pounding has to
    take a toll on various organs, let alone joints. The need for running bras
    should be a hint and men have their own hyper-gravity issues. It also can't
    be good for the brain to be jostled repeatedly in the skull.

    Quoted message said:


    In anticipation of some edgy responses, this is not a troll, it's a


    serious medical question. I hear about too many injuries to believe that
    running itself is benign and one's "form" just needs to be corrected.

    Quoted message said:


    R.J.

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    Quoted message said:

    In anticipation of some edgy responses,
    this is not a troll, it's a serious medical
    question. I hear about too many injuries to
    believe that running itself is benign and
    one's "form" just needs to be corrected.

    http://tinyurl.com/r3mkk

  9. <[email hidden]> wrote in message > With the countless
    injuries caused by running, one has to wonder if the human foot and knee
    were ever meant to take such punishment? Other parts of the body may suffer
    hidden trauma. It seems that

    Best to post this question in a medical forum for runners, dude.

    There are of course a lot of factors to consider, some people have crook
    knees and can't run, some people have bad backs and shouldn't run, some
    people have [censored] running styles and ruin their health that way. Best to
    consult a physical-ed doctor if you're not too sure. Look at the people who
    have been running for many years- do they seem to have problems?

  10. Even though I have been a long distance runner, I do not think it is natural
    for a couple of reasons: 1) free-radical damage from long runs; 2) wear and
    tear on the body; 3) I can't see any reason (in an evolutionary sense) for
    people to run more than a quarter mile. I'll bet that we are better adapted
    for running short sprints or jogging short distances. Just my random, off
    the top of my head 2 cents.

  11. interesting articles. I would also think that distance running would be a
    no-no because of its energy burning when foods stores were scarce and
    unpredictable.

    what would be the evolutionary advantage to endurance running (a genuine
    question, no sarcasm--I am curious)?


  12. Quoted message said:

    interesting articles. I would also think that distance running would be a
    no-no because of its energy burning when foods stores were scarce and
    unpredictable.

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    what would be the evolutionary advantage to endurance running (a genuine
    question, no sarcasm--I am curious)?

    1) In Africa, traditional hunters still run down antelope. I can't find
    the cite now, but there was a great chapter on several men running something
    like 12-14 miles to run down antelope in africa. The writers followed in
    their land rovers, and were there when the exhausted animal was finally
    killed.

    We can't match top speeds, but we run very well in the heat over long
    distances (provided we get water). Look at the 100 mile times for horses
    vs. humans (Tevis Cup 100 mile for horses and western states 100 mile
    footrace). They're about the same, and horses (unlike antelope and deer)
    are endurance animals.

    2) Being able to trot for miles greatly extends the hunting radius of a
    band or tribe.
    I've seen videos of Amazon natives trotting home through the jungle with
    their prey tied to a long stick on their shoulders.

    3) Typical african scenario: Lion kill (mainly bones left) attracts
    vultures, which are seen wheeling over the carcass miles away. Men run and
    get there before scavengers scatter the bones. A deer's bone marrow has a
    lot of calories.

    -- Dan

  13. Many interesting previous posts.

    People have run distance since the prehistoric times for many reasons.
    The African examples are of course great.

    Interestingly, most of the Plains Native American tribes not only ran
    for food (horses were unknown until the Spanish came), but it was a part
    of their religion for purification and at the extreme, visions.

    What is not natural is running on hard surfaces. That's the reason for
    most injuries. We attempt to solve that problem with running shoes, but
    it is only an attempt. If there were more soft running trails, the
    injury rate would go way down.

    Amazingly, the schools in my area are so stupid, their tracks are paved.

  14. Distance running is completely unnatural...........unless you're being
    pursued by lions or bears or something really scary and hungry like
    that.

  15. Escaping from predators or catching prey is why it's completely natural. For
    hundreds of thousands of years, outrunning animals made you a survivor. Only
    in the last 10,000 years have we developed our un-natural way of life
    wherein the need to run (superficially at least) is no longer there. One
    look at the legions of fat slobs and sad people tells you that running still
    meets a deep human need.

    "Miss Anne Thrope" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Distance running is completely unnatural...........unless you're being
    pursued by lions or bears or something really scary and hungry like
    that.

  16. yanping, I think you're correct about jogging being a natural remedy for
    depression and sadness.

    Every time I see one of you prancing clowns, I laugh and laugh.

  17. On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:48:42 +0800, "yanping" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Escaping from predators or catching prey is why it's completely natural. For
    hundreds of thousands of years, outrunning animals made you a survivor.

    Name one animal over 40lbs (besides tortoises) who we can outrun?
    Yeah, none.

  18. I'll let you do your own homework, but you will find there are a number
    of animals that are sprinters, ie fast but are only fast for a short
    distance, and once they are exhausted can be taken by someone who isn't
    maybe as fast in the short haul but has the ability to keep it up
    longer.

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:48:42 +0800, "yanping" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Escaping from predators or catching prey is why it's completely natural. For
    hundreds of thousands of years, outrunning animals made you a survivor.

    Name one animal over 40lbs (besides tortoises) who we can outrun?
    Yeah, none.

  19. It matters not, because they can run us down and eat us in 30 yards
    before they get exhausted.

    On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:16:46 -0500, [email hidden] (Bumper)

    Quoted message said:

    I'll let you do your own homework, but you will find there are a number
    of animals that are sprinters, ie fast but are only fast for a short
    distance, and once they are exhausted can be taken by someone who isn't
    maybe as fast in the short haul but has the ability to keep it up
    longer.

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:48:42 +0800, "yanping" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Escaping from predators or catching prey is why it's completely natural. For
    hundreds of thousands of years, outrunning animals made you a survivor.

    Name one animal over 40lbs (besides tortoises) who we can outrun?
    Yeah, none.

  20. Quoted message said:
    Bumper said:

    I'll let you do your own homework, but you will find there are a number
    of animals that are sprinters, ie fast but are only fast for a short
    distance, and once they are exhausted can be taken by someone who isn't
    maybe as fast in the short haul but has the ability to keep it up
    longer.

    It matters not, because they can run us down and eat us in 30 yards
    before they get exhausted.

    I'm such a city boy, I've changed course while running Way Out West to avoid
    *cows* who gave me a mean look. Not bulls (though once when I was
    especially frightened that I'd provoked a bull with big scary horns, the
    rancher later pointed out that the "bull's" udder indicated a high estrogen
    count... "treed by a cow," his wife cackled), cows.

    And even I wouldn't be too afraid of an attack by a freaking gazelle, or
    deer.

    Elk, yes. Those [censored] look - and sound - like they mean business!

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