Too much too soon??

Quoted message said:

Does anybody have any advise

Do several more twenty milers as close together as possible, this'll solve your problem.

Bill R.

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I wonder if you're discovering why newbie marathon training programs typically last 6+ months, not
2. La marathon was March 2, right? yikes

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Quoted message said:

Hi All,

I'm a newbie in the running game. I got a wild hair on New Years Eve to

run a marathon. I joined a local running club

Quoted message said:

and started training the second weekend in January for the L.A. Marathon. Training went well up to
our 20 mile run. I was beat to death and my

knees, hips and bottom of my feet were pretty sore.

Quoted message said:

I also noticed a few days later that my resting heart rate (normally

around 53-55 bpm) was up to 68-72.

Quoted message said:

A trip to Kaiser for a complete physical and treadmill test put my mind at

ease. They had no idea why my h/r changed so

Quoted message said:

dramatically but said I was fit enough to proceed. I finished the marathon in 5:25:58. We had been
training at 11min/mile so

I was well behind the pace.

Quoted message said:

I took a week off and went back at it, adding a 3.2 mile/day run during my

lunch 1/2 hour along with my regular long

Quoted message said:

runs on Sunday. I also do the circuit training runs with the group

Wednesday evening.

Quoted message said:

Since the marathon I have been struggling to keep the 11 min. pace with

the running group. I feel weak and I'm trembling

Quoted message said:

uncontrollably when I stand still. It seems like the harder I try the

worse things get.

Quoted message said:

Does anybody have any advise or has anyone gone through the same symptoms

I'm feeling?

Quoted message said:

Thanks,

Ken

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What out for the trolls. I fear one again may be risking someone's health with his foolishness.

Most of us who have run 20+ miles know that around 18-22 miles we hit the "wall" your body just
runs out of go (that's the official technical term)

I would guess the heart rate was a result of just one of those days. Maybe a little cold or
other infection. BTW it is not uncommon to come down with a cold or other sort of infection
after a really long run like a marathon.

Since your doctor gave you an ok. get back to the program. Remember that we all have good and
bad days, my guess is that 20 miles was on a bad day.

The other thing is the time you have been training. Each of us are different, and if you are
young and were if general good health to start with, you might be ok with your training plan,
however, for me (I'm 55 years old by the way) those few months since you started would make 20
miles an unreasonable goal, unless I had been running before. Your program my be a little
optimistic.

Listen to your body, if it is saying no, then don't push. You can get there without killing
yourself. Slow steady progress with just a few backslides for bad days or colds or just a busy
week is the best way in my book.

Good Luck and I would not plan on a lot of 20 mile runs right away. Two weeks from the last one
might be a good time.

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

<[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi All,

I'm a newbie in the running game. I got a wild hair on New Years Eve to

run a marathon. I joined a local running club

Quoted message said:

and started training the second weekend in January for the L.A. Marathon. Training went well up to
our 20 mile run. I was beat to death and my

knees, hips and bottom of my feet were pretty sore.

Quoted message said:

I also noticed a few days later that my resting heart rate (normally

around 53-55 bpm) was up to 68-72.

Quoted message said:

A trip to Kaiser for a complete physical and treadmill test put my mind at

ease. They had no idea why my h/r changed so

Quoted message said:

dramatically but said I was fit enough to proceed. I finished the marathon in 5:25:58. We had been
training at 11min/mile so

I was well behind the pace.

Quoted message said:

I took a week off and went back at it, adding a 3.2 mile/day run during my

lunch 1/2 hour along with my regular long

Quoted message said:

runs on Sunday. I also do the circuit training runs with the group

Wednesday evening.

Quoted message said:

Since the marathon I have been struggling to keep the 11 min. pace with

the running group. I feel weak and I'm trembling

Quoted message said:

uncontrollably when I stand still. It seems like the harder I try the

worse things get.

Quoted message said:

Does anybody have any advise or has anyone gone through the same symptoms

I'm feeling?

Quoted message said:

Thanks,

Ken

make sure you're eating sufficiently and drinking tons of fluids with electrolytes (gatorade, etc).
i know it sounds simple but if you're not doing these two things then you're doing your body a
disservice.

jOe

<[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi All,

I'm a newbie in the running game. I got a wild hair on New Years Eve to

run a marathon. I joined a local running club

Quoted message said:

and started training the second weekend in January for the L.A. Marathon. Training went well up to
our 20 mile run. I was beat to death and my

knees, hips and bottom of my feet were pretty sore.

Quoted message said:

I also noticed a few days later that my resting heart rate (normally

around 53-55 bpm) was up to 68-72.

Quoted message said:

A trip to Kaiser for a complete physical and treadmill test put my mind at

ease. They had no idea why my h/r changed so

Quoted message said:

dramatically but said I was fit enough to proceed. I finished the marathon in 5:25:58. We had been
training at 11min/mile so

I was well behind the pace.

Quoted message said:

I took a week off and went back at it, adding a 3.2 mile/day run during my

lunch 1/2 hour along with my regular long

Quoted message said:

runs on Sunday. I also do the circuit training runs with the group

Wednesday evening.

Quoted message said:

Since the marathon I have been struggling to keep the 11 min. pace with

the running group. I feel weak and I'm trembling

Quoted message said:

uncontrollably when I stand still. It seems like the harder I try the

worse things get.

Quoted message said:

Does anybody have any advise or has anyone gone through the same symptoms

I'm feeling?

Quoted message said:

Thanks,

Ken

In article said:

Hi All,

I'm a newbie in the running game. I got a wild hair on New Years Eve to run a marathon. I joined a
local running club and started training the second weekend in January for the L.A. Marathon.
Training went well up to our 20 mile run. I was beat to death and my knees, hips and bottom of my
feet were pretty sore. I also noticed a few days later that my resting heart rate (normally around
53-55 bpm) was up to 68-72. A trip to Kaiser for a complete physical and treadmill test put my
mind at ease. They had no idea why my h/r changed

Then "they" are stupid. It's a well-known symptom of overtraining.

Quoted message said:

so dramatically but said I was fit enough to proceed. I finished the marathon in 5:25:58. We had
been training at 11min/mile so I was well behind the pace. I took a week off and went back at it,
adding a 3.2 mile/day run during my lunch 1/2 hour along with my regular long runs on Sunday. I
also do the circuit training runs with the group Wednesday evening. Since the marathon I have been
struggling to keep the 11 min. pace with the running group. I feel weak and I'm trembling
uncontrollably when I stand still. It seems like the harder I try the worse things get. Does
anybody have any advise or has anyone gone through the same symptoms I'm feeling?

You ran a marathon without adequate preparation, and now you're severely overtrained. It looks like
the 1 week you took was inadequate.

Take a break. Don't go back to training until your resting heart is back to normal. And don't worry
about "losing training time" -- you've done enough training for now, and you're going to be faster
after your rest than you are now.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

In article said:

I would guess the heart rate was a result of just one of those days.
Maybe a little cold or other infection. BTW it is not uncommon to come down

Really ? He shows other signs of overtraining (reduced performance, and other physical symptoms) and
you think it's "one of those days" ? Betcha that wasn't just a sporadic measurement error.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

Quoted message said:

I'm 55 years old by the way

HOLY [censored]! And you can still find strength to type this late in the evening at your age? I'm
impressed Joe.

Bill R.

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OO

Quoted message said:

What out for the trolls

At least our trolls are literate.

Bill R.

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OO

GOTCHA ALL! LOLOL Gosh you people are easy, all I need to do now is reply with a silly reply to my
own troll, and you guys buy it hook, line, and sinker. You're just too easy. LOLOL

Bill R.

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OO

In article said:

GOTCHA ALL! LOLOL Gosh you people are easy, all I need to do now is reply with a silly reply to my
own troll, and you guys buy it hook, line, and sinker. You're just too easy. LOLOL

That was a good troll, and pretty funny in hindsight.

However, I think the fact that several people fell for it is not just a reflection on the
gullibility of the posters here. One of those parodies where the thing being parodied isn't that
much different from the caricature.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

Also good advice I missed. Very important for long runs.

I might add that drinking fluids has many benefits. In my case, it is believed that my early
years of running, when I did not worry so much about it and I often was dehydrated, caused the
kidney stones I now have. Of course like all things, it can be overdone, but that is hard to do
on a very long run.

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

"Joe Braun" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

make sure you're eating sufficiently and drinking tons of fluids with electrolytes (gatorade,
etc). i know it sounds simple but if you're not doing these two things then you're doing your body
a disservice.

jOe

<[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi All,

I'm a newbie in the running game. I got a wild hair on New Years Eve to

run a marathon. I joined a local running club

Quoted message said:

and started training the second weekend in January for the L.A.

Marathon.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Training went well up to our 20 mile run. I was beat to death and my

knees, hips and bottom of my feet were pretty sore.

Quoted message said:

I also noticed a few days later that my resting heart rate (normally

around 53-55 bpm) was up to 68-72.

Quoted message said:

A trip to Kaiser for a complete physical and treadmill test put my mind

at

Quoted message said:

ease. They had no idea why my h/r changed so

Quoted message said:

dramatically but said I was fit enough to proceed. I finished the marathon in 5:25:58. We had
been training at 11min/mile

so

Quoted message said:

I was well behind the pace.

Quoted message said:

I took a week off and went back at it, adding a 3.2 mile/day run during

my

Quoted message said:

lunch 1/2 hour along with my regular long

Quoted message said:

runs on Sunday. I also do the circuit training runs with the group

Wednesday evening.

Quoted message said:

Since the marathon I have been struggling to keep the 11 min. pace with

the running group. I feel weak and I'm trembling

Quoted message said:

uncontrollably when I stand still. It seems like the harder I try the

worse things get.

Quoted message said:

Does anybody have any advise or has anyone gone through the same

symptoms

Quoted message said:

I'm feeling?

Quoted message said:

Thanks,

Ken

Thanks Bill,

I should have known from the frequency of your posts in this group that your advice would
be "Bang on"

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(Bill-always hard-Rodgers ) said:

Quoted message said:

Does anybody have any advise

Do several more twenty milers as close together as possible, this'll solve your problem.

Bill R.

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OO

You may be right, but I was considering "A trip to Kaiser for a complete physical and treadmill test
put my mind at ease. They had no idea why my h/r changed so dramatically but said I was fit enough
to proceed."

What I did not stress was the normal after marathon recovery. KW if you are reading this, plan
on taking it easy for a while, and let your body recover. It did not handle the 20 miles that
well and it is going to do the same with the 26.2. Again listen to your body.

BTW your time was just about the same as my first marathon. I am not near the front these days,
but I am finishing in the first half.

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

"Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Joseph

Meehan said:

Quoted message said:

I would guess the heart rate was a result of just one of those days. Maybe a little cold or
other infection. BTW it is not uncommon to come

down

Quoted message said:

Really ? He shows other signs of overtraining (reduced performance, and

other

Quoted message said:

physical symptoms) and you think it's "one of those days" ? Betcha that

wasn't

Quoted message said:

just a sporadic measurement error.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

Joseph Meehan said:

Also good advice I missed. Very important for long runs.

I might add that drinking fluids has many benefits. In my case, it is believed that my early
years of running, when I did not worry so much about it and I often was dehydrated, caused the
kidney stones I now have. Of course like all things, it can be overdone, but that is hard to do
on a very long run.

Yes, hydration for me is a problem. I'm a sweater... We run in Loma Linda, Ca. and at 7:00 am it's
usually in the upper 30's to mid 40's. I show up in shorts and tank top while all of the other
runners are layered in jackets and sweats. I'm pouring sweat by the time we hit the 1 mile marker.

Life is hard, then ya die..

Joseph Meehan said:

You may be right, but I was considering "A trip to Kaiser for a complete physical and treadmill
test put my mind at ease. They had no idea why my h/r changed so dramatically but said I was
fit enough to proceed."

What I did not stress was the normal after marathon recovery. KW if you are reading this, plan
on taking it easy for a while, and let your body recover. It did not handle the 20 miles that
well and it is going to do the same with the 26.2. Again listen to your body.

BTW your time was just about the same as my first marathon. I am not near the front these days,
but I am finishing in the first half.

Hi Joseph,

Thanks for the reply, BTW, this is no troll. I talked to the circuit trainer about my situation and
he suggested I curtail running except for the Sunday long runs. As others mentioned, I was foolish
to start training with less than 2 months before race day. I know better now. I'm 47, and I've been
in shape all of my life (weight training and aerobics) and thought a marathon would be a challenge.
I've never been an endurance kind of guy with the exception of some long distance backpacking.
Before 01/05/02, the furthest I've run was maybe a mile. I wasn't quite prepared for the
physiological change that has taken place. After reading a previous post about overtraining, I read
up on the subject and it does seem to fit my present state. Currently, I'm signed up to run the Long
Beach Marathon in October. I'll start the training much earlier this time around.

Ken

This newsgroup has tons of advice, but thickheaded people dont follow it, become injured, and drop
out of running. One school of thought is that if you want avoid injury, burnout, and soreness in
marathon you take 2-3 years to work up to a strong running base. I've seen so many type-A yuppies go
down the path of aggressive self-destruction that it is futile to give advice. -From someone who has
been running since 1969.

Don't start training for October, continue your training.

As suggested I would recommend a temporary reducing in the intensity and amount of training, but
I suggest sticking with three days a week. One day a week of just a long run does not sound to
good to me. One fairly long slow run and two shorter runs would be a good plan. Just let you
body tell you when it is ready to go on.

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

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Quoted message said:

On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:13:09 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"

Quoted message said:

Hi Joseph,

Thanks for the reply, BTW, this is no troll. I talked to the circuit trainer about my situation
and he suggested I

curtail running except for the Sunday long runs.

Quoted message said:

As others mentioned, I was foolish to start training with less than 2

months before race day. I know better now.

Quoted message said:

I'm 47, and I've been in shape all of my life (weight training and

aerobics) and thought a marathon would be a

Quoted message said:

challenge. I've never been an endurance kind of guy with the exception of some long

distance backpacking. Before 01/05/02, the

Quoted message said:

furthest I've run was maybe a mile. I wasn't quite prepared for the

physiological change that has taken place.

Quoted message said:

After reading a previous post about overtraining, I read up on the subject

and it does seem to fit my present state.

Quoted message said:

Currently, I'm signed up to run the Long Beach Marathon in October. I'll

start the training much earlier this time

Quoted message said:

around.

Ken

Joseph Meehan said:

Don't start training for October, continue your training.

As suggested I would recommend a temporary reducing in the intensity and amount of training,
but I suggest sticking with three days a week. One day a week of just a long run does not sound
to good to me. One fairly long slow run and two shorter runs would be a good plan. Just let you
body tell you when it is ready to go on.

I'm already signed up for Long Beach Joseph. I have to keep going, like it or not. I think I'll
stick with the long run and run on my treadmill instead of the circuit work. I don't seem to get as
badly beaten on the treadmill.

Ken