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  1. Hi, My new Schwinn High Timber recommends a list of tool essentials.
    One is a set of (2) phillips head screw drivers, a 4mm. and a
    5mm...(not allen wrenches!)

    I did the routine shopping bit, everywhere..No such animal as a screw
    driver with a 'mm.' designation! Every where I went the show the
    designations as #1, # 2, #3, etc.

    Could be that the # 4 and a # 5, as they are now designated, actually
    be the 4mm and 5mm?? If that's the case, stupidity does indeed reign
    and efficiency does rear its ugly head, in the bike tools industry, or
    maybe the antiquated Schwinn industry?

    Thanks for any info on such screw drivers.

    Mikie

  2. Mike said:

    Hi, My new Schwinn High Timber recommends a list of tool essentials.
    One is a set of (2) phillips head screw drivers, a 4mm. and a
    5mm...(not allen wrenches!)

    If you were shopping for flat-blade screwdrivers in Europe, you'd find
    those designations common enough. In the US, though, far less
    precision is considered essential in screwdriver designations, and
    *there is no standard for sizes*. Generally, then, you're looking for
    a couple of flat-blade drivers that will fit the slots on the screws
    you see on the bike. Use the fasteners as a guide.

    Quoted message said:

    I did the routine shopping bit, everywhere..No such animal as a screw
    driver with a 'mm.' designation! Every where I went the show the
    designations as #1, # 2, #3, etc.

    And sometimes as 3/16", 1/4", etc. The number sizes are not
    necessarily useful; as stated, there is no standard in the US.

    Quoted message said:

    Could be that the # 4 and a # 5, as they are now designated, actually
    be the 4mm and 5mm??

    Possibly...but it's *at least as likely* that millimeters have nothing
    to do with it, since #1 would mean 1mm in that case, which would be a
    tiny little jeweler's driver. The numbers are probably arbitrary.

    Quoted message said:

    If that's the case, stupidity does indeed reign
    and efficiency does rear its ugly head, in the bike tools industry, or
    maybe the antiquated Schwinn industry?

    Try "in the US tool market for the past century at least".
    Screwdrivers in the US are regarded as "if it fits, use it" items,
    with neither a specific size assignment to any given fastener nor even
    a de facto restriction on using them for that purpose. US tool users
    employ screwdrivers for damn near *everything* at times...safety and
    fitness for the purpose be damned. This is not restricted to the bike
    industry; it's true across the automotive, industrial, woodworking and
    heavy equipment markets (and others) as well.

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  3. Mike said:

    Hi, My new Schwinn High Timber recommends a list of tool essentials.
    One is a set of (2) phillips head screw drivers, a 4mm. and a
    5mm...(not allen wrenches!)

    I did the routine shopping bit, everywhere..No such animal as a screw
    driver with a 'mm.' designation! Every where I went the show the
    designations as #1, # 2, #3, etc.

    Could be that the # 4 and a # 5, as they are now designated, actually
    be the 4mm and 5mm?? If that's the case, stupidity does indeed reign
    and efficiency does rear its ugly head, in the bike tools industry, or
    maybe the antiquated Schwinn industry?

    They might mean 2 sizes of phillips head (#1 and #2 or #0 and #1, I forget
    which ones are which), plus 4 and 5 mm wide slotted-head screwdrivers?
    Regular slotted screwdrivers are specced in mm. Either way, you're highly
    unlikely to find any phillips head screwdrivers bigger than #4, well,
    pretty much anywhere, but especially on a bike.

    Jasper

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