Dangerous drivers

Andrew scribed after much navel searching:

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Are they obliged to find that driver - speak to them, breathalyse them and generally make them
think twice about the respect they need to give to cyclists?

AFAIK only if you have independent witnesses and a specific offence against the RTA has been
committed.

Andrew said:

When cut up by a crazy driver on the road, is it worth the effort to stop and call the police
reporting a dangerous driver?

Depends - if really bad, especially an LGV or PCV, I would (have). If any company name or other
identifying marks, and not sufficient for plod, consider writing to the directors (but only if you
are sure said [censored] won't come back and do a proper job next time). Otherwise? Sadly probably not.

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Andrew said:

When cut up by a crazy driver on the road, is it worth the effort to stop and call the police
reporting a dangerous driver?

Yes.

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Will they disbelieve the rants of a cyclist who has just had the wits scared out of them / nearly
been killed ?

No.

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Are they obliged to find that driver - speak to them, breathalyse them and generally make them
think twice about the respect they need to give to cyclists?

Hmmm, maybe.

I've been badly cut up by a taxi driver and ridden, still shaking, round to the police station to
report the incident. The constable was very sympathetic and was very happy to have a report that
included the registration of the taxi, the antics of the taxi drivers in the High Street of
Newmarket being a serious concern to the police. He asked if I would like a formal report of the
followup, but I declined saying that just to "have a word" about other road users would satisfy me.
He said that he intended to go to the office of the taxi company and make them call in the driver
concerned and read the riot act. This is apparently bad news for the driver, more than one of these
and they are generally looking for a new job.

Haven't been carved by a Noomarket taxi driver since, but at the same time maybe I've been even more
determined about protecting _my_ road space.....

Mike

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When cut up by a crazy driver on the road, is it worth the effort to stop and call the police
reporting a dangerous driver?

I am a police officer who's received plenty of such calls. It isn't worth the effort. The simple
reason? It's your word against his, and if he's the kind of clown who does the kind of things that
make people call the police about him, the mere sight of an overworked bobby isn't going to make him
break down in remorse. Picture the scene. There won't be an officer unoccupied, available and poised
to intercept the suspect. After a PNC check (you *did* get the correct index number, didn't you?)
the lorry firm is traced to Slough/ Polperro/ Auchtermuchty. A fax is sent to the local force for an
officer to add your unsubstantiated allegation to his workload. (Imagine how high on his list of
priorities that'll be: Arrest drug dealer on warrant/ Visit repeat burglary victim/ Arrest
wife-beater/ Investigate racist attack on shopkeeper/ Assuage the dudgeon of a cyclist.) PC arranges
to see HGV driver when their shifts coincide.

The PC says, "You cut up a cyclist at a roundabout in Newmarket/ Penzance/Aberfeldy yesterday/
last week."

Truck driver replies, "No I didn't."

Bobby (sheepishly shifting from foot to foot),"Errr, OK then...."

I appreciate that this isn't what cyclists want to hear. I'm a keen rider myself. Unfortunately, we
have to deal with reality, and it's difficult, expensive, time-consuming and usually pointless to
prosecute "Might-have-beens."

I shall now retreat to my bunker and await the howls.

Safe cycling,

Scott Leckey

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When cut up by a crazy driver on the road, is it worth the effort to stop and call the police
reporting a dangerous driver? Will they disbelieve the rants of a cyclist who has just had the
wits scared out of them / nearly been killed ? Are they obliged to find that driver - speak to
them, breathalyse them and generally make them think twice about the respect they need to give to
cyclists?

Your thoughts please

Frankly, if it's a near-miss, no matter how close, then nothing really happened. You may be scared
witless, but that's hardly worth involving the police is it ?

It may be worth, if you have the registration number, asking DVLA, where they can release details
of the registered owner "To anyone who can demonstrate reasonable cause, including insurance
companies, finance houses and the public" . . I don't know what would constitute 'reasonable cause'
though .. 😉

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Once you have the details and confirm who the driver is, then maybe a quiet word ... 😉

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When cut up by a crazy driver on the road, is it worth the effort to stop and call the police
reporting a dangerous driver? Will they disbelieve the rants of a cyclist who has just had the
wits scared out of them / nearly been killed ? Are they obliged to find that driver - speak to
them, breathalyse them and generally make them think twice about the respect they need to give to
cyclists?

Your thoughts please

Not strictly relevant perhaps, but a few years ago I was being driven (ok, ok) along a motorway by a
friend at a sensible, legal speed and someone flew down the fast lane in something large and fast (I
don't know more than that - they all look alike to me ;-). My friend, despite not being personally
affected in any way by this asked me to write down the registration, pulled in at the next service
station and called the police to report it.

Perhaps we'd all be better off if everyone reported every piece of poor/dangerous driving. Do such
reports have more impact if they're by someone not directly involved?

I note with interest that the last drink-driving campaign was encouraging people to shop people for
that offense.

- Richard

Andrew said:

When cut up by a crazy driver on the road, is it worth the effort to stop and call the police
reporting a dangerous driver?

No, they refuse to do anything unless you appear at the station. Been there done that had the
argument that a victim of murder doesn't need to so why should one of attempted murder do so! :-(

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Will they disbelieve the rants of a cyclist who has just had the wits scared out of them / nearly
been killed ?

Yes.

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Are they obliged to find that driver - speak to them, breathalyse them and generally make them
think twice about the respect they need to give to cyclists?

Not only are they not obliged to do the above they don't even record the report unless you turn up.
However when I reported ( from the car) a taxi driver that swerved around a lollipop lady that went
and turned him over.

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When cut up by a crazy driver on the road, is it worth the effort to stop and call the police
reporting a dangerous driver?

I am a police officer who's received plenty of such calls. It isn't worth the effort. The simple
reason? It's your word against his, and if he's the kind of clown who does the kind of things that
make people call the police about him, the mere sight of an overworked bobby isn't going to make
him break down in remorse. Picture the scene. There won't be an officer unoccupied, available and
poised to intercept the suspect. After a PNC

check

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(you *did* get the correct index number, didn't you?) the lorry firm is traced to Slough/
Polperro/ Auchtermuchty. A fax is sent to the local

force

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for an officer to add your unsubstantiated allegation to his workload. (Imagine how high on his
list of priorities that'll be: Arrest drug dealer on warrant/ Visit repeat burglary victim/ Arrest
wife-beater/ Investigate racist attack on shopkeeper/ Assuage the dudgeon of a cyclist.) PC

arranges

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to see HGV driver when their shifts coincide.

The PC says, "You cut up a cyclist at a roundabout in Newmarket/ Penzance/Aberfeldy yesterday/
last week."

Truck driver replies, "No I didn't."

Bobby (sheepishly shifting from foot to foot),"Errr, OK then...."

I appreciate that this isn't what cyclists want to hear. I'm a keen rider myself. Unfortunately,
we have to deal with reality, and it's difficult, expensive, time-consuming and usually pointless
to prosecute "Might-have-beens."

I shall now retreat to my bunker and await the howls.

I'm no fan of the police but this is obvious common sense, even if the driver killed you he would
probably only get 6 points and £200 quid fine :o(

Swearing at them, kicking doors, scratching paint doesn't really help either, just puts my blood
pressure up.

Assertive/Defensive riding seems to be best, very few drivers will kill you on purpose.

Expect the very least from them and then you won't be disappointed.

Just zis Guy said:

Andrew said:

When cut up by a crazy driver on the road, is it worth the effort to stop and call the police
reporting a dangerous driver?

Depends - if really bad, especially an LGV or PCV, I would (have). If any company name or other
identifying marks, and not sufficient for plod, consider writing to the directors (but only if you
are sure said [censored] won't come back and do a proper job next time). Otherwise? Sadly probably not.

I have, with HGV and PSV (why is it L and C now?), reported drivers to their companies. With one HGV
driving under the Hanson flag they seemed to take it very seriously with me getting apologies from
someone very high up at Hanson as well as the contract company who actually employed the driver (who
was himself a contracter!) I got an indirect response from the driver who, surprise, surprise, said
he didn't see me. That was quite clear from the closeness with which he overtook me!

Colin

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When cut up by a crazy driver on the road, is it worth the effort to stop and call the police
reporting a dangerous driver? Will they disbelieve the rants of a cyclist who has just had the
wits scared out of them / nearly been killed ? Are they obliged to find that driver - speak to
them, breathalyse them and generally make them think twice about the respect they need to give
to cyclists?

Your thoughts please

Not strictly relevant perhaps, but a few years ago I was being driven (ok, ok) along a motorway by
a friend at a sensible, legal speed and someone flew down the fast lane in something large and
fast (I don't know more than that - they all look alike to me ;-). My friend, despite not being
personally affected in any way by this asked me to write down the registration, pulled in at the
next service station and called the police to report it.

It may be worth thinking of calling Crimestoppers (0800 555 111, IIRC), instead. They were the
organisation who were advertising themselves as the people to call when you'd just seen someone
drive off from the pub after several pints, or whatever. I don't quite understand their official
role, but they certainly do liase with the police when necessary. I guess they'd at least keep a
report on record, but it wouldn't add to the police workload without them judging it to be
necessary.

Ambrose

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When cut up by a crazy driver on the road, is it worth the effort to stop and call the police
reporting a dangerous driver?

I am a police officer who's received plenty of such calls. It isn't worth the effort. The simple
reason? It's your word against his, and if he's the kind of clown who does the kind of things that
make people call the police about him, the mere sight of an overworked bobby isn't going to make
him break down in remorse. Picture the scene.

But it may well be the first time the driver's been told their driving's unnacceptable, and that
could very likely cause some kind of change of attitude. I take your point, though.

On another track, does anyone have good reports of what happens when 'How's my driving?' numbers
are called?

Ambrose

you know? said:

Andrew said:

When cut up by a crazy driver on the road, is it worth the effort to stop and call the police
reporting a dangerous driver?

Depends - if really bad, especially an LGV or PCV, I would (have). If any company name or other
identifying marks, and not sufficient for plod, consider writing to the directors (but only if you
are sure said [censored] won't come back and do a proper job next time).

Strange how often it seems to be the same car... Perhaps with shared commutes it's not all that
surprising.

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Otherwise? Sadly probably not.

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Thanks all for your input.

To add to this discussion - would it make a difference if, when calling the police, suspicions of
drink/drug impaired driving were mooted as the possible reasons for the drivers incompetence ?

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When cut up by a crazy driver on the road, is it worth the effort to stop and call the police
reporting a dangerous driver? Will they disbelieve the rants of a cyclist who has just had the
wits scared out of them / nearly been killed ? Are they obliged to find that driver - speak to
them, breathalyse them and generally make them think twice about the respect they need to give
to cyclists?

Your thoughts please

Not strictly relevant perhaps, but a few years ago I was being driven (ok, ok) along a motorway
by a friend at a sensible, legal speed and someone flew down the fast lane in something large
and fast (I don't know more than that - they all look alike to me ;-). My friend, despite not
being personally affected in any way by this asked me to write down the registration, pulled in
at the next service station and called the police to report it.

It may be worth thinking of calling Crimestoppers (0800 555 111, IIRC), instead. They were the
organisation who were advertising themselves as the people to call when you'd just seen someone
drive off from the pub after several pints, or whatever. I don't quite understand their official
role, but they certainly do liase with the police when necessary. I guess they'd at least keep a
report on record, but it wouldn't add to the police

workload

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without them judging it to be necessary.

Ambrose

Yes, what they do have to say about motor crime is

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SMART Stop Motorcrime And Ring Today. Almost everyone has had their car broken into or stolen, but
since 1997 over 9,334 calls to Crimestoppers has led to over 3,629 arrests for these offences. SMART
provides an anonymous means for the 2,700 daily car victims to call with any information.

So I shouldn't have thought dangerous driving was too trivial an offence to bother them
with, anyway.

Ambrose

On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:35:08 +0000, Ambrose Nankivell did issue forth:

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On another track, does anyone have good reports of what happens when 'How's my driving?' numbers
are called?

Responses vary. Generally a company that's bothered registering with the scheme takes it seriously
(after all, they've spent money on it) and I know of drivers in my company who have been hauled over
the coals for their transgressions.

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Kit Wolf said:

Strange how often it seems to be the same car... Perhaps with shared commutes it's not all that
surprising.

Shared commutes? You mean you've seen a MDG with more than one person in it? Increduble!

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Yes, what they do have to say about motor crime is

(from crimestoppers-uk.orgcampaigns.aspOpen ↗)

SMART Stop Motorcrime And Ring Today. Almost everyone has had their car broken into or stolen, but
since 1997

over

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9,334 calls to Crimestoppers has led to over 3,629 arrests for these offences. SMART provides an
anonymous means for the 2,700 daily car

victims

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to call with any information.

So I shouldn't have thought dangerous driving was too trivial an offence

to

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bother them with, anyway.

Sorry, replying twice to my own post, but they did have the Christmas drink-drive campaign, too,
which said

crimestoppers-uk.orgnews2.aspOpen ↗

We hope that this Crimestoppers Christmas campaign successfully removes persistently
dangerous drivers off the roads and helps to deter others from committing similar offences
throughout the year.

So they are on the case of dangerous drivers, so it's probably worth giving them a call when there's
someone to report.

A

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Kit Wolf wrote:

in a misguided attempt to be pithy but succeeding only in making no sense at all...

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Strange how often it seems to be the same car... Perhaps with shared commutes it's not all that
surprising.

Shared commutes? You mean you've seen a MDG with more than one person in it? Increduble!

I used to ride to work at a hospital, and would commute to work at the same time as x00 other staff
who would overtake me every day in their cars like clockwork. The general impression was that
people's driving is fairly consistent from day to day (no great surprise there, perhaps). The same
people pass too close; one particular nurse cut me up 2x on the same roundabout, probably unaware.
And not having heard of vehicular cycling, I rode consistently in the gutter.

KW

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(Kit Wolf) said:

The same people pass too close; one particular nurse cut me up 2x on the same roundabout, probably
unaware.

I know /exactly/ what you mean - I can even rmember some of their registration numbers. Not people I
work with, though, just eejits who go to work the same time I do.

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