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  1. Hi

    I recently installed a new Chorus BB and have noticed around a gap of
    around a millimetre or so between the drive-side BB flange and the BB
    shell. I can't remember if this was there when I installed it or whether
    it's developed over the 150 or so miles I've cycled since then. I
    couldn't find a socket big enough to use my torque wrench with the BB
    tool when I installed it so I used a 12" adjustable and did it up
    tight-ish -- to the point where it nipped up and a nudge more, I
    suppose. It certainly wasn't loose but I didn't want to go crazy given
    the grief I had getting the old one out.

    I've just moved and don't have a crank puller and BB tool handy to
    tighten it and I can't get to an LBS before I want to ride next. Am I
    risking damage/injury/financial ruination/etc by riding it?

    Thanks,

    Mark

  2. Mark said:

    Hi

    I recently installed a new Chorus BB and have noticed around a gap of
    around a millimetre or so between the drive-side BB flange and the BB
    shell. I can't remember if this was there when I installed it or
    whether it's developed over the 150 or so miles I've cycled since
    then. I couldn't find a socket big enough to use my torque wrench
    with the BB tool when I installed it so I used a 12" adjustable and
    did it up tight-ish -- to the point where it nipped up and a nudge
    more, I suppose. It certainly wasn't loose but I didn't want to go
    crazy given the grief I had getting the old one out.

    I've just moved and don't have a crank puller and BB tool handy to
    tighten it and I can't get to an LBS before I want to ride next. Am I
    risking damage/injury/financial ruination/etc by riding it?

    The Chorus type right cups I've fitted fitted flush with the shell on
    installation and didn't come undone at all even when they weren't fitted
    especially tightly. (My left cups did themselves up a bit but that's
    another story).

    Being slightly loose shouldn't do any harm but I wouldn't ride it in case
    it got worse and knackered the bearings. It is a £32 BB afterall. Paint
    a mark on the cup and shell to track any movement if you do want to risk
    it. I suppose it'd have to be terrible before injury resulted.

    ~PB

  3. Pete Biggs said:
    Mark said:

    I recently installed a new Chorus BB and have noticed around a gap of
    around a millimetre or so between the drive-side BB flange and the BB
    shell. I can't remember if this was there when I installed it or
    whether it's developed over the 150 or so miles I've cycled since
    then. I couldn't find a socket big enough to use my torque wrench
    with the BB tool when I installed it so I used a 12" adjustable and
    did it up tight-ish -- to the point where it nipped up and a nudge
    more, I suppose. It certainly wasn't loose but I didn't want to go
    crazy given the grief I had getting the old one out.

    I've just moved and don't have a crank puller and BB tool handy to
    tighten it and I can't get to an LBS before I want to ride next. Am I
    risking damage/injury/financial ruination/etc by riding it?

    The Chorus type right cups I've fitted fitted flush with the shell on
    installation and didn't come undone at all even when they weren't
    fitted especially tightly. (My left cups did themselves up a bit but
    that's another story).

    Being slightly loose shouldn't do any harm but I wouldn't ride it in
    case it got worse and knackered the bearings. It is a £32 BB
    afterall. Paint a mark on the cup and shell to track any movement if
    you do want to risk it. I suppose it'd have to be terrible before
    injury resulted.

    It doesn't appear to be loose as such -- there's no discernable play
    when giving the cranks a waggle but I'll try to get it tightened up.

    Cheers,

    Mark

  4. Mark said:

    It doesn't appear to be loose as such -- there's no discernable play
    when giving the cranks a waggle but I'll try to get it tightened up.

    By loose in this case I mean the cup not being fully home. With these
    cartridge bearings there isn't any discernable play until the bearings are
    knackered! However, the spindle doesn't turn as freely as normal* when a
    cup is /much/ too loose, just as it doesn't when the left cup is too
    tight. I would expect the bearings to wear quickly if used in this state

    * Increased friction is felt when spindle is turned by hand with no cranks
    fitted. Too difficult to tell when cranks are on.

    ~PB

  5. I've just had a closer look at my bike with a brighter light! There is a
    tiny gap afterall, less than 1mm in my case. Probably just to do with the
    shape/squareness of flange and shell (maybe your shell is slightly
    different?). I know mine was done up snug and hasn't moved as I marked it
    straight after installation.

    So I'll change my advice to: Make a mark on flange & shell, ride the bike
    but keep an eye on the marks, get cup checked for tightness when
    convenient.

    ~PB

  6. BTW, is it an 'English' or 'Italian' version?

    An Italian right cup, being right-hand threaded, will be more prone to
    loosening so it'll be more important to check it sooner rather than later.

    ~PB

  7. Pete Biggs said:
    Mark said:

    It doesn't appear to be loose as such -- there's no discernable play
    when giving the cranks a waggle but I'll try to get it tightened up.

    By loose in this case I mean the cup not being fully home. With these
    cartridge bearings there isn't any discernable play until the bearings
    are knackered! However, the spindle doesn't turn as freely as normal*
    when a cup is /much/ too loose, just as it doesn't when the left cup
    is too tight. I would expect the bearings to wear quickly if used in
    this state

    Ah, okay. I didn't realise that the cups would have such an impact on th
    bearings; I thought they just held the BB in the right place and that
    was it, though I didn't have time to look at it closely when I installed
    it.

    It's an English thread, btw.

    Thanks for the help,

    Mark

  8. Mark said:

    Ah, okay. I didn't realise that the cups would have such an impact on
    th
    bearings; I thought they just held the BB in the right place and that
    was it, though I didn't have time to look at it closely when I
    installed it.

    That is it when everything is just right, but side effects result when the
    cups aren't fitted correcty or some fault with the shell or thread puts
    one side out of paralel.

    The problem I had with mine (one Record and one new-style Centaur, both v
    similar to Chorus) was binding before I could get the left cup tight.
    Fortunately, Loctite has done the trick.

    Good luck with yours... not that I think you'll need much luck.

    ~PB

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