Are genetics real?

On 14 Mar 2006 01:24:28 -0800, "DVDfanatico" <[email hidden]>

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I have philosophized that everything exists in God's mind

How's that working out for you?

Ellis

Ellis said:

On 14 Mar 2006 01:24:28 -0800, "DVDfanatico" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I have philosophized that everything exists in God's mind

How's that working out for you?

Ellis

40x9

The good lord apparently thinks he should stick to power walking.

DVDfanatico said:

What is your opinion about genetics? I read an article from a builder
in Muscle and Fitness magazine who said he naturally bench pressed 310
pounds! That is a lot! He must have good genetics. I'm stil working up
to it. I bench 175 right now but I just started lifting again. I
started benching 45 pounds in high school. I now curl 40 pounds for 9
reps. Do genetics really matter? Are there any professional
bodybuilders who overcame bad genetics? I read that Franco Colmbu
overcame weakness and thiness to be a champion. He still looked pretty
darn strong before he did serious lifting.

I have philosophized that everything exists in God's mind and genetics
aren't that big a deal. It's just the effort you put in and the foods
you eat.

DVDfanatico
www.KnightLanguages.com
The Foreign Language Supersite including Bibles, Masses, Holy Rosaries
and Prayers

Of course it makes a difference what you were born with, Im never gonna
lift as much as someone who weighs twice as much as me before either of
us start to workout. Sure I can work out and build my strength, but if
someone naturally bigger (well stronger - not bigger) also works out I
wont be able to catch him up (assuming we are both working out in the
best way possible).

Scott

In my opinion I would say that genetics plays a part in how quickly you
can get stronger. However I have noticed many people who would
probably say they had bad "genetics" who were mainly just wasting time
in the gym doing exercises that aren't very effective and putting in a
lackluster effort while doing it. I feel that anyone can transform
themselves into a very fit version of themselves. Whether the very fit
version turns out to be a professional bodybuilder may be limited or
helped by genetics but hard work and nutrition also plays a role so
don't take the fatalist mindset that you could never reach your goals.
As you mentioned nutrition is very important, for both building
muscle and for having the energy to push your body to get stronger. It
is important to eat healthy foods and not let yourself get hungry if
you are wanting to add muscle. The exercises that you do are also
important and if you are really interested in getting stronger I would
recommend that you primarily do compound exercises such as squats (with
good form!), deadlifts (with good form!), bench and incline presses,
pulldowns, pullups, dumbell rows, overhead presses, dips (carefully
since these can hurt your shoulders). I am a fan of free weights but
if you don't have a spotter you should either ask someone at the gym to
spot you on bench and incline presses (be polite and people are usually
happy to help) or you should use a machine I guess. It is important
that you work really hard and it is hard to go as far without a spotter
there in case you tire out. I personally don't do curls since my
biceps get worked hard from the pullups, pulldowns, and rows; I don't
want to waste my time with curls when I could do a valuable compound
exercise. I also limit my workouts to one intense hour each and work a
chest/tricep and legs/back split. I typically go to the gym three
times a week.
I gained 30 pounds of muscle and got a lot stronger within a year
doing these things.

Good luck on your program,
James

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Quoted message said:

What is your opinion about genetics? I read an article from a builder
in Muscle and Fitness magazine who said he naturally bench pressed 310
pounds! That is a lot! He must have good genetics. I'm stil working up
to it. I bench 175 right now but I just started lifting again. I
started benching 45 pounds in high school. I now curl 40 pounds for 9
reps. Do genetics really matter? Are there any professional
bodybuilders who overcame bad genetics? I read that Franco Colmbu
overcame weakness and thiness to be a champion. He still looked pretty
darn strong before he did serious lifting.

I have philosophized that everything exists in God's mind and genetics
aren't that big a deal. It's just the effort you put in and the foods
you eat.

Heartwarming Disney movies aside, if you have 3 categories: genetics,
training and nutrition and you can assign 1 to be 'superior' and the other 2
to be 'adequate'-
put your money on superior genetics every time.

JamesG said:

In my opinion

No need to read any farther.

you need to lay off the hallucinogenics, then

<snip>
Good luck on your program,
James

Best advice ive read on here for ages.Thanks

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Quoted message said:

What is your opinion about genetics? I read an article from a builder
in Muscle and Fitness magazine who said he naturally bench pressed 310
pounds! That is a lot! He must have good genetics. I'm stil working up
to it. I bench 175 right now but I just started lifting again. I
started benching 45 pounds in high school. I now curl 40 pounds for 9
reps. Do genetics really matter? Are there any professional
bodybuilders who overcame bad genetics? I read that Franco Colmbu
overcame weakness and thiness to be a champion. He still looked pretty
darn strong before he did serious lifting.

I have philosophized that everything exists in God's mind and genetics
aren't that big a deal. It's just the effort you put in and the foods
you eat.

DVDfanatico
www.KnightLanguages.com
The Foreign Language Supersite including Bibles, Masses, Holy Rosaries
and Prayers

The same genetics that dictate your height , dictate your muscle
composition.

Boyer Coe didnt even have a two pack, never mind a six pack.

Just look at the bods in a football club, who all train in a similar manner.

Look at Carl Lewis, compared with succesive 100 m sprinters.

I had a memorable member back in the late seventies, who traind 'exactly' as
I showed him. His dedication was remarkable. The bad news was "nothing
changed"...EXCEPT his character, and quality of self esteem.

You used the word philosophy.

One of the best references, is, we are always on a journey, never at a
destination.

I'm 6'5 and from the Arnie era. I trained as hard as any living soul, but I
had very long "ankles" and "wrists" hehehe, so my effort (NEVER WASTED)
resuted in making a great living from gym ownership, and I'm now a lot
fitter than big Arn.

Unlike him, I dont even have a 'doctor'

Another philosophy I developed back then "medicine (steroids) are for sick
people. If you take them when you are well, you will get sick....

Brian

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Ellis said:

On 14 Mar 2006 01:24:28 -0800, "DVDfanatico" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I have philosophized that everything exists in God's mind

How's that working out for you?

Ellis

40x9

The good lord apparently thinks he should stick to power walking.

Isnt that what Moses did to get him through the desert ;-))

Brian

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What is your opinion about genetics? I read an article from a builder
in Muscle and Fitness magazine who said he naturally bench pressed 310
pounds! That is a lot! He must have good genetics.

Do you mean that in terms of an excuse why you ought not to aim for that?

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Quoted message said:

I'm stil working up
to it. I bench 175 right now but I just started lifting again. I
started benching 45 pounds in high school. I now curl 40 pounds for 9
reps. Do genetics really matter?

I'm an aged female. I'll never bench 310 pounds. But I can bench more
than most aged females, mostly because most of the aged females I know
don't bother to try, whereas I'm in the gym training twice a week every
week for years.

I'd say genetics matter in terms of what competitions you get into, but
once you've got your right peg it matters a whole lot more whether you
bother to train or not.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Are there any professional
bodybuilders who overcame bad genetics?

When you say "bodybuilders" do you mean weightlifters?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I read that Franco Colmbu
overcame weakness and thiness to be a champion. He still looked pretty
darn strong before he did serious lifting.

I have philosophized that everything exists in God's mind and genetics
aren't that big a deal. It's just the effort you put in and the foods
you eat.

Quoted message said:

Heartwarming Disney movies aside, if you have 3 categories: genetics,
training and nutrition and you can assign 1 to be 'superior' and the other 2
to be 'adequate'- put your money on superior genetics every time.

In terms of being a champion? Definitely. In terms of being competent?
I don't think so. I think consistency and practice are more important.

All I worry about is being the best "me" that I can be. I can't really
control how that compares to other people.

Dally

Dally said:

I'm an aged female. I'll never bench 310 pounds.

You're old, and lifting your fat 300lb ass out of the bed must count
for something.

No, genetics are fake. If you're not looking like Ronnie Coleman
you're just not training hard enough.

Not everybody can be a pro bodybuilder, but anyone can at least have a
nice body. Like anything else, some will have to work harder than
others.

Some people have the genetics to give them the frame to be marathoners
and some have the genetics to give them the frame to be linemen. The
marathoner frames can lift and eat to become muscular, lean, and
relatively strong but it would probably not be a good idea for them to
try to stop someone like linebacker Ray Lewis. The linemen frames can
run and run and run and they will be leaner and faster big folks but
they would probably have a hard time qualifying for the Boston Marathon
(I think the qualifying time is a marathon time of under 3:10).
If you are wanting to make yourself bigger, stronger, faster or
whatever, if you train at it, work hard and smart, you will get better
than you had been. If you track your progress you can feel good that
you have transformed yourself in some way.
So to get back to the original post on this thread; genetics are real
so you should try to be the best that YOU can be in what you want to
do. In my experience, I have competed a lot in sports and like to win
very much, but I only felt really bad about losing when I didn't do my
best (either in training or the game itself). If it turns out your
genetics make you better at something else either switch to that or
work hard to be the best that you can be and realize that your absolute
success may be limited but your relative success can still be
rewarding.

Good Luck,
James

40x9

The good lord apparently thinks he should stick to power walking.

Actually, I curl 40 X 9 in each hand. I do 100 pounds times 5 on the
curl machine on my bench.
Thanks for the humor. Actually I believe prayer helps weightlifting and
bobdybuilding. I´m making progress.

Pax Christi (Peace of Christ)

DVDfanatico
www.KnightLanguages.com
The Foreign Language Supersite including Bibles, Masses, Holy Rosaries
and Prayers

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On 14 Mar 2006 01:24:28 -0800, "DVDfanatico" <[email hidden]>

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I have philosophized that everything exists in God's mind

How's that working out for you?

Ellis

I posted a response to this and it got lost. (I guess it exists in the
mind of God :-)

Well, to recap what I said, I am Roman Catholic so I have to
incorporate any philosophy I adopt with Catholiciscm. One of the things
I believe is that God is the sustaining force. If his love stopped
sustaining us we would all burn in Hell. However, some people seem to
be sustained less. I wonder if bodybuilders in some sense are
sustaining there genetics or if the really just HAVE good genetics and
God is sustaining them for them. I also beleive people can miraculously
overcome there genetics. I started bench pressing 40 pounds when I was
sixteen and squatting 40 pounds. I later benched 180 for 8 reps with a
medium grip press and squatted 240 pounds and deadlifted and shrugged
365 pounds by the time I was eighteeen. I didn´t use steroids but I did
follow a low fat nutritional diet. So people can overcome their
genetics.

I just started lifitng again and I want to add fifty pounds to my bench
press. I think it's possible with prayer, hard work, and inspirational
motivation. And of course love of bodybuilding.

Pax Christi (Peace of Christ)

DVDfanatico
www.KnightLanguages.com
The Foreign Language Supersite including Bibles, Masses, Holy Rosaries
and Prayers

On 18 Mar 2006 02:39:18 -0800, "DVDfanatico" <[email hidden]>

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One of the things
I believe is that God is the sustaining force. If his love stopped
sustaining us we would all burn in Hell

He sounds like a real nice guy.

Ellis