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  1. Might as well toss your fish oil pills into the chowder. You served salmon a
    lot when you might have gotten the same health benefits with lean pork.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060324/hl_nm/omega3_dc
    says Omega-3 is not really all that great.

    Have you noticed how lately they tout something as a major health benefit
    and then discount it after five years? The process is getting faster now,
    they are already publishing stuff that doubts efficacy of Omega-3 benefits.

    It's like all those years you were told to limit eggs. They recently changed
    it and now say don't worry about it anymore.

    We should be able to depend on the government to require at least that any
    involvement by profit interests in these studies must be prominently
    published so the consumer can judge whether it is science-based or
    profit-based research --and requiring that any media report must include the
    origin of these studies.

    I know that can sometimes be a gray area, but if Chicken of the Sea is in
    any way involved in health research on Tuna, it should be the most prominent
    sponsor mentioned, by law. Then if later studies done independently
    replicate it or not the consumer can be the judge. At least knowing the
    corporate interest will provide a balanced skepticism.

    How many people have in the past few years adjusted their diet to increase
    Omega-3 as well as other so-called benefits that are rapidly falling by the
    wayside. It's almost like if you set up a healthy eating-lifestyle two years
    ago, it not only might be useless and outdated, but may prove harmful even
    if it merely edges-out something else important.

    I'm not talking about fad diets here. It has gotten to a point where actual
    foods are competing with each other for ad space. I have a bag of dried
    plums that says on the bag that it is better than bananas for potassium. The
    problem is even doctors are swayed, so if you ask an opinion, they only have
    the info the media, including journals, has.

    With all the leaps that modern science is capable of you want to know if
    your choices are at least not harmful. But you don't want to avoid something
    then find out it never was harmful to begin with, or the other way around.

    The Omega-3 studies they talked about today just [censored] me off. If you are
    relatively healthy and live in an area that provides many choices, you have
    less to be concerned about for the time being. But if you are in a position
    where you must make choices for any reason there has to be some provisions
    that require honesty, and punish misinformation.

    A rant. I am getting fired up to play in a tournament tomorrow. Doesn't
    anybody play badminton on this group?

    --
    Lefty

    Life is for learning
    The worst I ever had was wonderful

  2. Re: Omega 3s - we supplement our kids with it because of research
    showing its benefits on neurological function; and eldest kid has
    medical issues I won't elaborate on here that have been shown to
    benefit from Omega 3s. But we're careful not to eat too much fish that
    could have high levels of mercury. It's such a balancing act.

    In the end, as always, eat a wide range of foods, and eat them low on
    the processing chain... prepared foods, foods with lots of ingredients
    on the label, are just not going to be as healthy for you as things you
    cook up yourself from whole ingredients - veg, fruit, whole grains,
    animal proteins, nuts and legumes. IT's not all that difficult to
    explain, but in this world it requires effort to actually eat this way.

    Leila

  3. Leila<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Re: Omega 3s - we supplement our kids with it because of research
    showing its benefits on neurological function; and eldest kid has
    medical issues I won't elaborate on here that have been shown to
    benefit from Omega 3s. But we're careful not to eat too much fish that
    could have high levels of mercury. It's such a balancing act.

    In the end, as always, eat a wide range of foods, and eat them low on
    the processing chain... prepared foods, foods with lots of ingredients
    on the label, are just not going to be as healthy for you as things you
    cook up yourself from whole ingredients - veg, fruit, whole grains,
    animal proteins, nuts and legumes. IT's not all that difficult to
    explain, but in this world it requires effort to actually eat this way.

    Leila


    Absolutely. What I wanted to illustrate here is that, for example, people
    are told not to eat much fish due to mercury but to include X amount of
    Omega-3 which now turns out to be [censored] (your childrens special needs are of
    course an exception to this). So people go out and buy fish oil supplements
    so as to get Omega-3 but avoid mercury; this because their doctor says they
    have a heart risk and need Omega-3, spending their money on this when, in
    fact, they don't need the Omega-3 supplemented at all because the
    heart-benefit claims are false. They could have ate reasonable amounts of
    the good, healthy fish instead of a pill. This much money could afford way
    more in terms of healthy food because fish oil caps are processed and
    expensive.

    Nobody researches harder to enable a performance/health balanced diet than I
    do--and I am saying it IS difficult to maintain balance in the amounts of
    nutrients in the amounts of food I need when, after adjusting a diet I find
    out that the adjustment is based on nonsense. For me, adding something, or
    changing something is sometimes a big adjustment. The complaint is that
    they allow misinformation, which should be regulated.

    When they came out with the studies that eggs must be limited, people for
    whom eggs were the best source of morning protein because they were easy
    and, importantly, available, had to find other sources. That takes work. I
    don't mind work, but I don't want to work on my diet on the schedule chosen
    to publish studies. You can say well just substitute Tofu-- meaning learn to
    cook a new kind of food and adjust it to taste over the next several weeks
    to see if it is what you need; you don't simply exchange Tofu for eggs, you
    have to learn about it. What if I am currently focusing elsewhere in a
    training area?

    They put ingredients on a can in order of quantity, they should make them
    label nutritional research by prominence of sponsor. AND they should make
    the corporate sponsor of a study deemed to be false reimburse or buy back
    anything purchased under recommendations that are later shown to be
    motivated only by profit.
    --
    Lefty

    Life is for learning
    The worst I ever had was wonderful

    Leila<[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Re: Omega 3s - we supplement our kids with it because of research
    showing its benefits on neurological function; and eldest kid has
    medical issues I won't elaborate on here that have been shown to
    benefit from Omega 3s. But we're careful not to eat too much fish that
    could have high levels of mercury. It's such a balancing act.

    In the end, as always, eat a wide range of foods, and eat them low on
    the processing chain... prepared foods, foods with lots of ingredients
    on the label, are just not going to be as healthy for you as things you
    cook up yourself from whole ingredients - veg, fruit, whole grains,
    animal proteins, nuts and legumes. IT's not all that difficult to
    explain, but in this world it requires effort to actually eat this way.

    Leila

  4. "Lefty" <[email hidden]> hitched up their panties and posted
    news:[email hidden]:

    <snippage for space>

    Quoted message said:

    Might as well toss your fish oil pills into the chowder. You served
    salmon a lot when you might have gotten the same health benefits with
    lean pork.

    Have you noticed how lately they tout something as a major health
    benefit and then discount it after five years? The process is getting
    faster now, they are already publishing stuff that doubts efficacy of
    Omega-3 benefits.

    I only take Omega-3 because my doctor tells me to. I'll not discontinue it
    unless he tells me it's no good for me. I feel great these days and want
    to continue 😉

    Quoted message said:


    It's like all those years you were told to limit eggs. They recently
    changed it and now say don't worry about it anymore.

    In my case I use the egg substutes *sigh* I wonder when those will start
    being bad for you.

    Quoted message said:


    How many people have in the past few years adjusted their diet to
    increase Omega-3 as well as other so-called benefits that are rapidly
    falling by the wayside. It's almost like if you set up a healthy
    eating-lifestyle two years ago, it not only might be useless and
    outdated, but may prove harmful even if it merely edges-out something
    else important.

    I take Omega-3 in pill form and eat a lot of fish. I love fish. It is
    probably one of my most favorite foods. As I stated above, Omega-3 was
    suggested by my doctor. I eat a lot of pork too.

    Quoted message said:


    A rant. I am getting fired up to play in a tournament tomorrow.
    Doesn't anybody play badminton on this group?

    I haven't played badminton since last June. When I get the time, and feel
    like dealing with the drama queens, I'll sub for a regular in a dart
    tournament now and then at a local gay establishment. I'm really good at
    darts when I'm in the mood to play.

    For fun I garden, read and horseback ride (although I'm not supposed to
    yet). All 7 of my doctors are firm that I should not be on horses. It is
    the only thing I do in defiance of them. I have a lot of friends with
    horses and one is always available for me. My favorite is Hildy. She's a
    mean spirited thouroughbred which my friend Janet saved. Hildy is pretty
    much my horse. No one else will ride her. Janet said when I was sick
    Hildy got depressed a lot. Janet lives right off Creve Coeur Park and they
    have jumps set up too. Hildy likes to jump. I have offered to pay for
    Hildy's upkeep but Janet will not hear of it.

    Michael

    --
    "The most remarkable thing about my mother is that for thirty years she
    served the family nothing but leftovers. The original meal has never been
    found."

    --Calvin Trillin

  5. Did you play Regulation or picnic-style badminton? I thought there would be
    people here that play regulation-style since there are posters from Canada,
    and Down Under, and some Brits.

    I grew up near a horse farm. I got to ride free by guiding newbies on the
    trails. That is a great environment to rehab in.

    --
    Lefty

    Life is for learning
    The worst I ever had was wonderful

    "Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Lefty" <[email hidden]> hitched up their panties and posted
    news:[email hidden]:

    <snippage for space>

    Quoted message said:

    Might as well toss your fish oil pills into the chowder. You served
    salmon a lot when you might have gotten the same health benefits with
    lean pork.

    Have you noticed how lately they tout something as a major health
    benefit and then discount it after five years? The process is getting
    faster now, they are already publishing stuff that doubts efficacy of
    Omega-3 benefits.

    I only take Omega-3 because my doctor tells me to. I'll not discontinue


    it

    Quoted message said:

    unless he tells me it's no good for me. I feel great these days and want
    to continue 😉

    Quoted message said:


    It's like all those years you were told to limit eggs. They recently
    changed it and now say don't worry about it anymore.

    In my case I use the egg substutes *sigh* I wonder when those will start
    being bad for you.

    Quoted message said:


    How many people have in the past few years adjusted their diet to
    increase Omega-3 as well as other so-called benefits that are rapidly
    falling by the wayside. It's almost like if you set up a healthy
    eating-lifestyle two years ago, it not only might be useless and
    outdated, but may prove harmful even if it merely edges-out something
    else important.

    I take Omega-3 in pill form and eat a lot of fish. I love fish. It is
    probably one of my most favorite foods. As I stated above, Omega-3 was
    suggested by my doctor. I eat a lot of pork too.

    Quoted message said:


    A rant. I am getting fired up to play in a tournament tomorrow.
    Doesn't anybody play badminton on this group?

    I haven't played badminton since last June. When I get the time, and feel
    like dealing with the drama queens, I'll sub for a regular in a dart
    tournament now and then at a local gay establishment. I'm really good at
    darts when I'm in the mood to play.

    For fun I garden, read and horseback ride (although I'm not supposed to
    yet). All 7 of my doctors are firm that I should not be on horses. It is
    the only thing I do in defiance of them. I have a lot of friends with
    horses and one is always available for me. My favorite is Hildy. She's a
    mean spirited thouroughbred which my friend Janet saved. Hildy is pretty
    much my horse. No one else will ride her. Janet said when I was sick
    Hildy got depressed a lot. Janet lives right off Creve Coeur Park and they
    have jumps set up too. Hildy likes to jump. I have offered to pay for
    Hildy's upkeep but Janet will not hear of it.

    Michael

    --
    "The most remarkable thing about my mother is that for thirty years she
    served the family nothing but leftovers. The original meal has never been
    found."

    --Calvin Trillin

  6. Lefty said:

    Might as well toss your fish oil pills into the chowder. You served salmon a
    lot when you might have gotten the same health benefits with lean pork.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060324/hl_nm/omega3_dc
    says Omega-3 is not really all that great.

    Have you noticed how lately they tout something as a major health benefit
    and then discount it after five years? The process is getting faster now,
    they are already publishing stuff that doubts efficacy of Omega-3 benefits.

    Lefty, I'll check out the article. I can't say I changed out diet in
    any way regarding Omega-3 but I do take and Omega 3-6-9 supplement daily
    in addition to other supplements. My take on a lot of the marketing
    buzz words is they use whatever will sell the product. For awhile it
    was new & improved, low fat, then low carb, heart smart, now trans-fat
    free and omega 3. There are whole aisles of organic products too,
    another buzz word. I've likely missed a couple. They will keep doing
    this until the next thing comes along. That is what companies pay these
    marketing experts to do. Find a buzz word that will sell their product.
    I'm glad most of my food dollars are not spent in a grocery store!

  7. "~patches~" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Lefty said:

    Might as well toss your fish oil pills into the chowder. You served


    salmon a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    lot when you might have gotten the same health benefits with lean pork.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060324/hl_nm/omega3_dc
    says Omega-3 is not really all that great.

    Have you noticed how lately they tout something as a major health


    benefit

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and then discount it after five years? The process is getting faster


    now,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    they are already publishing stuff that doubts efficacy of Omega-3


    benefits.

    Quoted message said:


    Lefty, I'll check out the article. I can't say I changed out diet in
    any way regarding Omega-3 but I do take and Omega 3-6-9 supplement daily
    in addition to other supplements. My take on a lot of the marketing
    buzz words is they use whatever will sell the product. For awhile it
    was new & improved, low fat, then low carb, heart smart, now trans-fat
    free and omega 3. There are whole aisles of organic products too,
    another buzz word. I've likely missed a couple. They will keep doing
    this until the next thing comes along. That is what companies pay these
    marketing experts to do. Find a buzz word that will sell their product.
    I'm glad most of my food dollars are not spent in a grocery store!

    You are lucky. In another life I lived more like you do with canning and
    growing veggies. Now the only natural food I harvest is the fish I catch.
    It's not just the O-3 supplements (I don't take them but eat lots of the
    right fish), it's the whole idea that they build a whole science around a
    particular "benefit" that is false.
    The areas where socialist ideas about laws against the people are needed
    are food and medicine. The rest of consuming can be "Buyer Beware" but they
    should tightly regulate what can be done to sell food and drugs.
    --
    Lefty

    Life is for learning
    The worst I ever had was wonderful

  8. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:


    The Omega-3 studies they talked about today just [censored] me off. If you are
    relatively healthy and live in an area that provides many choices, you have
    less to be concerned about for the time being. But if you are in a position
    where you must make choices for any reason there has to be some provisions
    that require honesty, and punish misinformation.

    I can see exactly where you are coming from here, but it is my honest
    conviction that the people really to blame are journalists who are desperate
    for some other gimmick to write about. One of them hears about something and
    before you know it there are 25 vultures hacking away at the dead horse.

    3 weeks later they've spotted a dying Wildebeest across the desert and horses
    are no longer on the menu.

    These hysterical fads and the short attention span syndrome seem to become more
    and more common, or maybe I am gettting more and more cynical.

    Quoted message said:


    A rant. I am getting fired up to play in a tournament tomorrow. Doesn't
    anybody play badminton on this group?

    Used to until I ended up with chronic tennis elbow that necessitated an op and
    a busted knee that no doctor can find anything wrong with. Still hurts like
    hell if I have to get down on my knees more than 3 times in a day or walk half
    a mile. :-( Sports is good for you, yeah, right.

    Quoted message said:

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    Lefty

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