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  1. I've been walking 3 miles in the morning, about 1 mile is uphill (1 mile downhill and one level
    mile) which is a huge accomplishment for me since I started at 1/4 mile. Two times this week I've
    encountered dogs, one of the dogs was quite aggressive and (I do carry a stick) would have attacked
    me if another walker hadn't came by with their larger stick. Yesterday I got stung on the scalp by a
    bee, maybe one of the Africanized bees (it was quite aggressive). I had to pour my drinking water on
    top of my own head to dislodge it.

    What next? Wild boars?

    I really, really hate the dogs. I wish people wouldn't let them roam. I live in a small town. I hate
    to discontinue my outside walking.

    Any pointers or advice?

    JL

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Jenny Lee said:

    I really, really hate the dogs. I wish people wouldn't let them roam. I live in a small town. I
    hate to discontinue my outside walking.

    Any pointers or advice?

    Attach a cattle prod to the end of a longish stick - dog gets too close and you zap 'im one.
    Shouldn't cause any permanent injury but will definitely scare it off.

  3. Jenny, sounds like a rough day. I'm with you on the dogs. Luckily our town has a good leash law and
    there aren't very many roaming dogs. My problem with dogs is less serious. My neighbor has a dog
    which looks like Benji, real cute, and he likes to follow me. This is not a problem unless I go into
    a store or a McDonald's where he follows me and creates chaos. Now, if I step out the door and he is
    there, I phone my neighbor and get her to call him.

    Jenny Lee said:

    I've been walking 3 miles in the morning, about 1 mile is uphill (1 mile downhill and one level
    mile) which is a huge accomplishment for me since I started at 1/4 mile. Two times this week I've
    encountered dogs, one of the dogs was quite aggressive and (I do carry a stick) would have attacked
    me if another walker hadn't came by with their larger stick. Yesterday I got stung on the scalp by
    a bee, maybe one of the Africanized bees (it was quite aggressive). I had to pour my drinking water
    on top of my own head to dislodge it.

    What next? Wild boars?

    I really, really hate the dogs. I wish people wouldn't let them roam. I live in a small town. I
    hate to discontinue my outside walking.

    Any pointers or advice?

    JL

  4. On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:15:45 -0700 the ET form known as Jenny Lee<[email hidden]>
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    Quoted message said:

    I've been walking 3 miles in the morning, about 1 mile is uphill (1 mile downhill and one level
    mile) which is a huge accomplishment for me since I started at 1/4 mile. Two times this week I've
    encountered dogs, one of the dogs was quite aggressive and (I do carry a stick) would have
    attacked me if another walker hadn't came by with their larger stick. Yesterday I got stung on the
    scalp by a bee, maybe one of the Africanized bees (it was quite aggressive). I had to pour my
    drinking water on top of my own head to dislodge it.

    What next? Wild boars?

    I really, really hate the dogs. I wish people wouldn't let them roam. I live in a small town. I
    hate to discontinue my outside walking.

    Any pointers or advice?

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  5. Hi! Jen! I too,,,,,,have started walking,,,and I'm now up to three miles a day.....last
    week,.walking on my favorite path,,,,,I remembered reading in the paper,,,,,,,that there are bears
    in the area........It's a very quiet path,,,,,,,hardly any people or cars,,,,I told myself,,,don't
    be such a sissy,,,,just keep walking......but on the way back,,,,,I heard branches break,,,,,and I
    knew it wasn't a small animal,,,,,it had to be deer,moose or bear!.......Yes,,,I really picked up
    speed on my way back..... I'll go to the gym this week......and walk on the treadmill,,,,but nothing
    compares to walking in the Outdoors! All I carried was a bottle of water,,,,,,,,but I'm interested
    to know,,,,,,,what do other people carry?? Live in Canada. I'm not a wuss,,,but I try to be
    realistic........there have been sightings of bears,,,,,,,,,I live in a Village, and I really want
    to keep up my walks.. Thanks for listening. Sandy..

    "Jenny Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've been walking 3 miles in the morning, about 1 mile is uphill (1 mile downhill and one level
    mile) which is a huge accomplishment for me since I started at 1/4 mile. Two times this week I've
    encountered dogs, one of the dogs was quite aggressive and (I do carry a stick) would have
    attacked me if another walker hadn't came by with their larger stick. Yesterday I got stung on the
    scalp by a bee, maybe one of the Africanized bees (it was quite aggressive). I had to pour my
    drinking water on top of my own head to dislodge it.

    What next? Wild boars?

    I really, really hate the dogs. I wish people wouldn't let them roam. I live in a small town. I
    hate to discontinue my outside walking.

    Any pointers or advice?

    JL

  6. "David Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My neighbor has a dog.... not a problem unless I go into a store or a


    McDonald's where he follows me and creates chaos.

    Quoted message said:

    Now, if I step out the door and he is there, I phone my neighbor and get


    her to call him.

    Quoted message said:

    What, does the dog have a cell phone?
    🙂
    bj

  7. Bj, I wish he did so I wouldn't have to go back inside and use the phone <g>

    David

    bj said:

    "David Rogers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My neighbor has a dog.... not a problem unless I go into a store or a


    McDonald's where he follows me and creates chaos.

    Quoted message said:

    Now, if I step out the door and he is there, I phone my neighbor and get


    her to call him.

    Quoted message said:

    What, does the dog have a cell phone?
    🙂
    bj

  8. A few tips.

    1. Dogs somehow detect who is and who is not afraid of them, and are much lesslikely to attach
    the latter. When they approach, stop, turn fully towards them, and look at them openly. It
    helps a lot.

    2. Make sure that you are not walking on someone else's territory that the dogs are defending.

    3. You have every right to defend yourself against aggressive dogs with every weapon necessary, if
    you are not trespassing. If legal and practical, you can carry a gun. At a minimum, I would carry
    a solid stick with a few nails on it. Make it so that it is easy to carry.

    i

    In article said:

    I've been walking 3 miles in the morning, about 1 mile is uphill (1 mile downhill and one level
    mile) which is a huge accomplishment for me since I started at 1/4 mile. Two times this week I've
    encountered dogs, one of the dogs was quite aggressive and (I do carry a stick) would have
    attacked me if another walker hadn't came by with their larger stick. Yesterday I got stung on the
    scalp by a bee, maybe one of the Africanized bees (it was quite aggressive). I had to pour my
    drinking water on top of my own head to dislodge it.

    What next? Wild boars?

    I really, really hate the dogs. I wish people wouldn't let them roam. I live in a small town. I
    hate to discontinue my outside walking.

    Any pointers or advice?

    JL

  9. I've been chased by dogs. Thankfully, they weren't big dogs, but I've been bitten twice, both times
    on the ankle and--again, thankfully--the skin wasn't broken. Maybe they were just tastin' to see if
    I was a food item?)

    One time, when two small dogs stalked me down the sidewalk, I observed where they lived and wrote
    down the address. I rang the bell, but no one was home so I went home and reported them to animal
    control. One of the dogs had nipped me on the ankle. It was so small, I didn't want to kick at it
    for fear of hurting it. It just thought it was protecting its territory. But I did yell at the dogs
    and that kept them away from me, for the most part. Of course, that wouldn't be such a good strategy
    with a bigger dog.

    I have a stun-gun, but I don't carry it with me. I probably should, since I walk in the dark in
    the mornings. I'm more afraid of human attacks than dog attacks because I've never seen a dog out
    that early.

    If you can't determine where the dog lives, ask the neighbors. They are probably familiar with who
    has loose dogs. They're probably sick of it, too.

    Good luck.

    Cat

    "Jenny Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've been walking 3 miles in the morning, about 1 mile is uphill (1 mile downhill and one level
    mile) which is a huge accomplishment for me since I started at 1/4 mile. Two times this week I've
    encountered dogs, one of the dogs was quite aggressive and (I do carry a stick) would have
    attacked me if another walker hadn't came by with their larger stick. Yesterday I got stung on the
    scalp by a bee, maybe one of the Africanized bees (it was quite aggressive). I had to pour my
    drinking water on top of my own head to dislodge it.

    What next? Wild boars?

    I really, really hate the dogs. I wish people wouldn't let them roam. I live in a small town. I
    hate to discontinue my outside walking.

    Any pointers or advice?

    JL

  10. Whoa. If I thought I was going to meet a bear, I'd DEFINITELY carry the stun gun!

    Cat 🙂

    "Sandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi! Jen! I too,,,,,,have started walking,,,and I'm now up to three miles a day.....last
    week,.walking on my favorite path,,,,,I remembered reading in the paper,,,,,,,that there are bears
    in the area........It's a very quiet path,,,,,,,hardly any people or cars,,,,I told myself,,,don't
    be such a sissy,,,,just keep walking......but on the way back,,,,,I heard branches break,,,,,and I
    knew it wasn't a small animal,,,,,it had to be deer,moose


    or

    Quoted message said:

    bear!.......Yes,,,I really picked up speed on my way back..... I'll go to the gym this
    week......and walk on the treadmill,,,,but nothing compares to walking in the Outdoors! All I
    carried was a bottle of water,,,,,,,,but I'm interested to know,,,,,,,what do other people carry??
    Live in Canada. I'm not a wuss,,,but I try to be realistic........there have been


    sightings

    Quoted message said:

    of bears,,,,,,,,,I live in a Village, and I really want to keep up my walks.. Thanks for
    listening. Sandy..

    "Jenny Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've been walking 3 miles in the morning, about 1 mile is uphill (1 mile downhill and one level
    mile) which is a huge accomplishment for me since I started at 1/4 mile. Two times this week
    I've encountered dogs, one of the dogs was quite aggressive and (I do carry a stick) would have
    attacked me if another walker hadn't came by with their larger stick. Yesterday I got stung on
    the scalp by a bee, maybe one of the Africanized bees (it was quite aggressive). I had to pour
    my drinking water on top of my own head to dislodge it.

    What next? Wild boars?

    I really, really hate the dogs. I wish people wouldn't let them roam. I live in a small town. I
    hate to discontinue my outside walking.

    Any pointers or advice?

    JL


  11. In article said:

    Whoa. If I thought I was going to meet a bear, I'd DEFINITELY carry the stun gun!

    stun guns are frequently found in bears' feces...

    i

  12. Sandy said:

    Hi! Jen! I too,,,,,,have started walking,,,and I'm now up to three miles a day.....last
    week,.walking on my favorite path,,,,,I remembered reading in the paper,,,,,,,that there are bears
    in the area........It's a very quiet path,,,,,,,hardly any people or cars,,,,I told myself,,,don't
    be such a sissy,,,,just keep walking......but on the way back,,,,,I heard branches break,,,,,and I
    knew it wasn't a small animal,,,,,it had to be deer,moose or bear!.......Yes,,,I really picked up
    speed on my way back..... I'll go to the gym this week......and walk on the treadmill,,,,but
    nothing compares to walking in the Outdoors! All I carried was a bottle of water,,,,,,,,but I'm
    interested to know,,,,,,,what do other people carry?? Live in Canada. I'm not a wuss,,,but I try
    to be realistic........there have been sightings of bears,,,,,,,,,I live in a Village, and I
    really want to keep up my walks.. Thanks for listening. Sandy..

    "Jenny Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've been walking 3 miles in the morning, about 1 mile is uphill (1 mile downhill and one level
    mile) which is a huge accomplishment for me since I started at 1/4 mile. Two times this week
    I've encountered dogs, one of the dogs was quite aggressive and (I do carry a stick) would have
    attacked me if another walker hadn't came by with their larger stick. Yesterday I got stung on
    the scalp by a bee, maybe one of the Africanized bees (it was quite aggressive). I had to pour
    my drinking water on top of my own head to dislodge it.

    What next? Wild boars?

    I really, really hate the dogs. I wish people wouldn't let them roam. I live in a small town. I
    hate to discontinue my outside walking.

    Any pointers or advice?

    JL

    I've 'walked' with bears often. That is I've had encounters with bears in the Sierra, Colorado and
    Alaska. There are two types of bears. North American Black Bear (also brown) and its larger relation
    the Grizzly (also shades of brown as a Kodiak). The polar bear is an altogether different type of a
    problem. You are fair game for this large predator -- they will track you down and eat you. Probably
    won't see one of those on your walk around your village.

    The black bear is relatively mellow, usually harmless and always hungry...but humans are not on its
    diet. Think of it as a stomach with four legs or a large raccoon. Most people who know, don't mess
    with raccoons either. If bears were routinely chomping on humans they would have disappeared
    centuries ago. The dangerous, unprovoked encounters are so rare they make great news. Usually the
    black bear is looking for food - garbage if close to human's habitation. The more used to humans a
    black bear is the more chance of some injury or a confrontation. Around camp sites (town garbage
    cans or dumps) they sometimes are aggressive enough to challenge you for your supper. If you try to
    protect your food (or what they consider to be food) they then become a mean junk yard dog -- that
    you have teased with a nice soup bone.

    A chance meeting with a brown bear will usually result in a missed photo op and not a tragedy that
    will end up in some newspaper. Treat them with caution, don't provoke them, don't try to hug them
    and stay away from ANY cubs anywhere. I am more concerned about a chance meeting with a skunk than
    by a bear. If you have the rare pleasure of having to face down an aggressive black bear, the
    current wisdom is that you don't run, don't look directly at it (look to the side) and slowly back
    away. If you are carrying anything, leave it on the ground in front of you as an offering. It is
    probably what it wants anyway. If you get mauled, roll up in a ball and protect your head with
    your hands.

    The grizzly is fairly much the same. Except they are more aggressive, more territorial and if used
    to humans should be avoided rigorously. Your odds of being injured go up around grizzlies.

    The fact that you are meeting up with them in your town is an indication that not a lot has happened
    between the bear and human population. People really do live in harmony with bears in North
    America...look at all those year around cabins in the woods.

    Dogs? You can carry an old umbrella. If a dog becomes aggressive or starts a charge the pointy end
    works and if it gets beyond that, pop the umbrella open and hide behind it. They usually get the
    idea, or loose interest if they get poked a few times. But not hard. They have feelings too. Some
    breeds (e.g., pit bull) become more excited when injured.

    Pepper spray is a good idea if you have severe dog problems. Check with local ordinances on any
    restrictions to carry it.

    Pepper spray is not a good idea for bears - it takes a larger dose, must be more potent than
    anything you want to use more than once. You have to have nerves of steel to hold your ground, be
    prepared to take on a full charge as you spritz them with it.

    If you have loose dogs and can't find the owner attached, call the city. That's why you pay taxes.
    There is NO reason why you should be so afraid to walk in your neighborhood that you have to stay
    inside. That's supposedly why you pay taxes. Take advantage of those 'insurance' premiums you have
    been paying over the years. This goes for dogs, bears, wolves, gangs, crooks, fast cars, or just
    mean people.

  13. If you have loose dogs and can't find the owner attached, call the city. That's
    : why you pay taxes. There is NO reason why you should be so afraid to
    walk in
    : your neighborhood that you have to stay inside. That's supposedly why
    you pay
    : taxes. Take advantage of those 'insurance' premiums you have been
    paying over
    : the years. This goes for dogs, bears, wolves, gangs, crooks, fast
    cars, or just
    : mean people.
    :
    Good advice but our town isn't a city. We are unincorporated. (Good advice for bears, that is). Dogs
    are the main problem here. I don't own an umbrella here in the desert.

  14. Jenny Lee said:

    : If you have loose dogs and can't find the owner attached, call the
    city. That's
    : why you pay taxes. There is NO reason why you should be so afraid to
    walk in
    : your neighborhood that you have to stay inside. That's supposedly why
    you pay
    : taxes. Take advantage of those 'insurance' premiums you have been
    paying over
    : the years. This goes for dogs, bears, wolves, gangs, crooks, fast
    cars, or just
    : mean people.
    :
    Good advice but our town isn't a city. We are unincorporated. (Good advice for bears, that is).
    Dogs are the main problem here. I don't own an umbrella here in the desert.

    Ahh, the life in the 'burbs and country. 🙂

    SierraTradingPost.com for bumbershoots.... Great for the noon day sun too.

    * noun: Parasol, (para) = for, (sol) sun. Don't think I would use a frilly, foo foo, parasol and
    take the chance a dog would slobber on. 🙂

    Pointy stick works too. (check trek poles)

  15. carry a spray..there is a pepper spray and it's small enough to hold or put in a pocket.

    "Jenny Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've been walking 3 miles in the morning, about 1 mile is uphill (1 mile downhill and one level
    mile) which is a huge accomplishment for me since I started at 1/4 mile. Two times this week I've
    encountered dogs, one of the dogs was quite aggressive and (I do carry a stick) would have
    attacked me if another walker hadn't came by with their larger stick. Yesterday I got stung on the
    scalp by a bee, maybe one of the Africanized bees (it was quite aggressive). I had to pour my
    drinking water on top of my own head to dislodge it.

    What next? Wild boars?

    I really, really hate the dogs. I wish people wouldn't let them roam. I live in a small town. I
    hate to discontinue my outside walking.

    Any pointers or advice?

    JL

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