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  1. maureeng7eh said:

    A few years ago, a man in eastern Canada killed his mother-in-law, in
    another town from where he lived.....all the while under the
    influence of Halcion (sleeping drug)

    He had absolutely no recollection of any of the events that night.

    He was found not guilty.......I don't think doctors prescribe this
    drug anymore in Canada (unless patient is in a psychiatric
    hospital).....its definitely banned in England.

    Cite the case law, please. I've taken Ambien and I certainly did remember
    doing such mundane things as getting up to use the toilet in the middle of
    the night. I'd definately recall having killed someone, so this is a farce
    or lawyers tricks. Ambien makes you sleepy, it doesn't turn you into a
    psychopathic killer. And you can buy over the counter sleep aids that make
    you feel much more "muddled" when you wake up than Ambien does.

    Jill

  2. "Gabby" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Regina v. Parks

    I don't remember that he was on medication but I do remember the case very
    well. 1987 -- He was sleepwalking, drove his car about 15 miles to his
    in-laws' house and stabbed MIL to death & also stabbed his FIL, woke up
    before he got back home and drove himself to the police station. He was
    found "not guilty" of both murder and attempted murder a year later. The
    case was appealed all the way to the Supreme Court where the verdict of
    'not guilty' was upheld in 1992.

    You can read about it here, with a link to the Supreme Court decision.

    OOPS, forgot to give the link

    http://www.lakesidepress.com/pulmonary/Sleep/sleep-murder.htm

  3. Knit Chic said:

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    Cite the case law, please. I've taken Ambien and I certainly did
    remember doing such mundane things as getting up to use the toilet
    in the middle of the night. I'd definately recall having killed
    someone, so this is a farce or lawyers tricks. Ambien makes you
    sleepy, it doesn't turn you into a psychopathic killer. And you
    can buy over the counter sleep aids that make you feel much more
    "muddled" when you wake up than Ambien does.

    One anecdote does not final evidence make. It's just an anecdote.

    Quoted message said:

    Of course, everyone has to have the exact same experience as you
    Jill. When I stopped working 3rd shift and started working 1st shift
    I took Ambian to help me get my sleep on track. I have absolutely no
    memory of certain events and started exhibiting bizarre behavior,
    i.e., waking up in the middle of the night and start cooking only to
    find later that I had done it w/ no memory.

    My anecdote: I had exactly the same sort of experience a week ago. My
    sleep schedule has been messed up because of deadlines and other things
    that kept me moving for long and irregular hours. I took Ambien to try
    to get to sleep and straighten out the schedule, and the next day felt
    badly hung over. My wife told me things I had said that made no sense
    (more than usual, apparently) and done (took cookies up to my office
    when I have a self-imposed, no-food-in-the-work-space policy) about
    which I had no recollection. She said she helped me undress and I had no
    memory of that (and normally, I certainly would have). Didn't remember
    getting into bed. And only slept 6 hours anyway.

    I won't do that again. Money wasted. Scary time for her.

    Pastorio

  4. jmcquown said:
    Knit Chic said:

    "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Cite the case law, please. I've taken Ambien and I certainly did
    remember doing such mundane things as getting up to use the toilet
    in the middle of the night. I'd definately recall having killed
    someone, so this is a farce

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Of course, everyone has to have the exact same experience as you
    Jill.

    I never said such a thing; that is merely your perception.

    Yes, you did. You said it was a farce because it didn't affect
    you in the same way. No perception required.

    You're still suffering from "Me Syndrome". Is there a drug for
    that?

    -sw

  5. Sometimes I can drink and party all night. Then there is the rare time when
    a glass of wine totally whacks me for a short while. Inevitably someone will
    say "How can you be drunk on a glass of wine?" If I had an answer I probably
    would have abstained in the first place. Maybe I am on the brink of a flu,
    who knows? In the same light, maybe I could take Ambien safely for years
    until it blindsides me too and I wake up in the lake.

    How can you argue and judge another person's subjective experiences? Other
    than a company rep, who the hell WOULD argue in defense of a chemical that
    is in scientific dispute over another person's cautionary personal tale? So
    a poster didn't murder his/her family, they only got up and cooked bacon and
    eggs (a real account from a documentary I saw) without consciousness. The
    murderer is not likely to be posting about it here. The cooker is freaked
    out over it.

    Manufacturers might say a bad effect only happens to one in a thousand.
    Well, who do you think is going to post a warning, the 999 who weren't hurt?
    It will be the extremely important one whose life may have been in jeopardy.
    Talk about a minority POV, how much support are they going to get?

    Other than for being OT, I can't figure why so many people are often so down
    on the messenger(s) around here. It is obvious that often there is such a
    reaction to the subject that it seems like the arguer has barely read the
    OP. The weird part is that when they pounce it is usually rife with
    extrapolated projection-based judgements like " ...but then I (implied:
    unlike you) am not a walking pharmacy...I only take (long list of wholistic
    flavored-waters) and a spritz of something that makes me sound politically
    correct and all sweet but you not; along with the Ambien I take only when I
    sorely need it because I am special." And "Without legal papers to support
    it your experience does not matter."

    Lefty

    Life is for learning

    "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Knit Chic said:

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    maureeng7eh wrote:
    > A few years ago, a man in eastern Canada killed his mother-in-law,
    > in another town from where he lived.....all the while under the
    > influence of Halcion (sleeping drug)
    >
    > He had absolutely no recollection of any of the events that night.
    >
    > He was found not guilty.......I don't think doctors prescribe this
    > drug anymore in Canada (unless patient is in a psychiatric
    > hospital).....its definitely banned in England.

    Cite the case law, please. I've taken Ambien and I certainly did
    remember doing such mundane things as getting up to use the toilet
    in the middle of the night. I'd definately recall having killed
    someone, so this is a farce
    or lawyers tricks. Ambien makes you sleepy, it doesn't turn you
    into a psychopathic killer. And you can buy over the counter sleep
    aids that make
    you feel much more "muddled" when you wake up than Ambien does.

    Jill

    Of course, everyone has to have the exact same experience as you
    Jill.

    I never said such a thing; that is merely your perception. I was relating
    my experience with Ambien. I surely do believe I'd remember murdering
    people unless perhaps I was trippin' on some LSD or wigged out on crack.

    When I stopped working 3rd shift and started working 1st shift

    Quoted message said:

    I took Ambian to help me get my sleep on track.
    I have absolutely no memory of certain events and started exhibiting
    bizarre behavior, i.e., waking up in the middle of the night and
    start cooking only to find later that I had done it w/ no memory.
    Check out the side effects .. but of course, since you didn't have
    some of those side effects they must not exist and it's all the
    lawyers fault.

    I didn't say that, either. But then again, I'm not a walking pharmacy


    with

    Quoted message said:

    tons of drugs in my system. I took Ambien for a short time; mostly I use
    natural remedies like valerian root or valeriana tea or even chamomile


    tea.

    Quoted message said:

    Also a spritz of lavender on my pillow.

    Jill

  6. "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Knit Chic said:

    "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    maureeng7eh wrote:
    > A few years ago, a man in eastern Canada killed his mother-in-law,
    > in another town from where he lived.....all the while under the
    > influence of Halcion (sleeping drug)
    >
    > He had absolutely no recollection of any of the events that night.
    >
    > He was found not guilty.......I don't think doctors prescribe this
    > drug anymore in Canada (unless patient is in a psychiatric
    > hospital).....its definitely banned in England.

    Cite the case law, please. I've taken Ambien and I certainly did
    remember doing such mundane things as getting up to use the toilet
    in the middle of the night. I'd definately recall having killed
    someone, so this is a farce
    or lawyers tricks. Ambien makes you sleepy, it doesn't turn you
    into a psychopathic killer. And you can buy over the counter sleep
    aids that make
    you feel much more "muddled" when you wake up than Ambien does.

    Jill

    Of course, everyone has to have the exact same experience as you
    Jill.

    I never said such a thing; that is merely your perception.

    I can no longer bring myself to have a battle of wits with an unarmed
    person.
    Best of luck to you ... go ahead and perceive that however you wish.

    I was relating

    Quoted message said:

    my experience with Ambien. I surely do believe I'd remember murdering
    people unless perhaps I was trippin' on some LSD or wigged out on crack.

    When I stopped working 3rd shift and started working 1st shift

    Quoted message said:

    I took Ambian to help me get my sleep on track.
    I have absolutely no memory of certain events and started exhibiting
    bizarre behavior, i.e., waking up in the middle of the night and
    start cooking only to find later that I had done it w/ no memory.
    Check out the side effects .. but of course, since you didn't have
    some of those side effects they must not exist and it's all the
    lawyers fault.

    I didn't say that, either. But then again, I'm not a walking pharmacy
    with
    tons of drugs in my system. I took Ambien for a short time; mostly I use
    natural remedies like valerian root or valeriana tea or even chamomile
    tea.
    Also a spritz of lavender on my pillow.

    Jill

  7. On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 06:49:25 -0400, "Gabby" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Regina v. Parks

    So what does an incident involving Halcion have to do with Ambien?
    Apples and cabbage comparison there.

    --
    -denny-
    "Do your thoughts call ahead or do they just arrive at your mouth unannounced?"

    "It's come as you are, baby."

    -over the hedge

  8. "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> hitched up their panties and posted
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    Quoted message said:


    I didn't say that, either. But then again, I'm not a walking pharmacy
    with tons of drugs in my system. I took Ambien for a short time;
    mostly I use natural remedies like valerian root or valeriana tea or
    even chamomile tea. Also a spritz of lavender on my pillow.

    Jill

    Oh fess up Jill. Everyone knows you use vodka when you have trouble
    getting to sleep 😉

    Michael

    --
    "The most remarkable thing about my mother is that for thirty years she
    served the family nothing but leftovers. The original meal has never been
    found."

    --Calvin Trillin

  9. Denny Wheeler said:

    So what does an incident involving Halcion have to do with Ambien?
    Apples and cabbage comparison there.

    mmmmm...... sauteed red cabbage and apple slices........ :-)

    --
    Dave
    www.davebbq.com

  10. maureeng7eh said:

    Gabby, thanks for coming to my defense - sorry if I incorrectly stated the
    subject as Halcion instead of Ambient.

    I was only making a comparison to a similar 'type' of drug prescribed up
    here at one time.....I've taken Halcion so I know exactly what i'm talking
    about. No memory whatsoever after about 20 minutes of taking the pill.

    News Flash: Sleeping pills mean.... you should go to sleep! Don't
    try to drive a vehicle or engage in lengthy, meaningful conversations
    after taking them.
    --

    Practice safe eating. Always use condiments.

  11. "sf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    News Flash: Sleeping pills mean.... you should go to sleep! Don't
    try to drive a vehicle or engage in lengthy, meaningful conversations
    after taking them.

    I love the sleeping pill commercials on the tube which
    always seem to wind up with the fast-talking voiceover
    giving the list of side effects, which then includes "...may
    cause drowsiness." Gee, ya THINK? :-)

    Damn, I wanna go ask the guy at the drug store for some
    sleeping pills without all of those nasty side effects, like
    drowsiness...

    Bob M.

  12. Michael 'Dog3' Lonergan said:

    "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> hitched up their panties and
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    Quoted message said:


    I didn't say that, either. But then again, I'm not a walking
    pharmacy with tons of drugs in my system. I took Ambien for a short
    time; mostly I use natural remedies like valerian root or valeriana
    tea or even chamomile tea. Also a spritz of lavender on my pillow.

    Jill

    Oh fess up Jill. Everyone knows you use vodka when you have trouble
    getting to sleep 😉

    Michael

    I hate vodka! LOL

  13. Gabby said:

    "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    maureeng7eh said:

    A few years ago, a man in eastern Canada killed his mother-in-law,
    in another town from where he lived.....all the while under the
    influence of Halcion (sleeping drug)

    He had absolutely no recollection of any of the events that night.

    He was found not guilty.......I don't think doctors prescribe this
    drug anymore in Canada (unless patient is in a psychiatric
    hospital).....its definitely banned in England.

    Cite the case law, please. I've taken Ambien and I certainly did
    remember doing such mundane things as getting up to use the toilet
    in the middle of the night. I'd definately recall having killed
    someone, so this is a farce
    or lawyers tricks. Ambien makes you sleepy, it doesn't turn you
    into a psychopathic killer. And you can buy over the counter sleep
    aids that make
    you feel much more "muddled" when you wake up than Ambien does.

    Regina v. Parks

    I don't remember that he was on medication but I do remember the case
    very well. 1987 -- He was sleepwalking, drove his car about 15 miles
    to his in-laws' house and stabbed MIL to death & also stabbed his
    FIL, woke up before he got back home and drove himself to the police
    station. He was found "not guilty" of both murder and attempted
    murder a year later. The case was appealed all the way to the
    Supreme Court where the verdict of 'not guilty' was upheld in 1992.

    You can read about it here, with a link to the Supreme Court decision.

    Gabby

    Not even sure Ambien was available as a sleep aid in 1987... we're talking
    almost 20 years ago. And I have no idea what Ambien has to do with Halcion.

    Jill

  14. "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> hitched up their panties and posted
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    Quoted message said:
    Michael 'Dog3' Lonergan said:

    "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> hitched up their panties and
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    Quoted message said:


    I didn't say that, either. But then again, I'm not a walking
    pharmacy with tons of drugs in my system. I took Ambien for a short
    time; mostly I use natural remedies like valerian root or valeriana
    tea or even chamomile tea. Also a spritz of lavender on my pillow.

    Jill

    Oh fess up Jill. Everyone knows you use vodka when you have trouble
    getting to sleep 😉

    Michael

    I hate vodka! LOL

    LOL... I hate Ambien, Vicodin and Morphine. I became quite addicted to
    them after my long hospital stay and recovery period at home. I used to
    just LOVE Vicodin. I had 7 doctors and getting it was not a problem.
    Between Vicodin and Vodka, I was knocked out most of the time. I finally
    had to go to a 30 day rehab just to get away from the prescription drugs
    and my love of alcohol ;(

    Michael

    --
    "The most remarkable thing about my mother is that for thirty years she
    served the family nothing but leftovers. The original meal has never been
    found."

    --Calvin Trillin

  15. jmcquown said:
    Gabby said:

    "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    maureeng7eh wrote:
    > A few years ago, a man in eastern Canada killed his mother-in-law,
    > in another town from where he lived.....all the while under the
    > influence of Halcion (sleeping drug)
    >
    > He had absolutely no recollection of any of the events that night.
    >
    > He was found not guilty.......I don't think doctors prescribe this
    > drug anymore in Canada (unless patient is in a psychiatric
    > hospital).....its definitely banned in England.
    Cite the case law, please. I've taken Ambien and I certainly did
    remember doing such mundane things as getting up to use the toilet
    in the middle of the night. I'd definately recall having killed
    someone, so this is a farce
    or lawyers tricks. Ambien makes you sleepy, it doesn't turn you
    into a psychopathic killer. And you can buy over the counter sleep
    aids that make
    you feel much more "muddled" when you wake up than Ambien does.


    Regina v. Parks

    I don't remember that he was on medication but I do remember the case
    very well. 1987 -- He was sleepwalking, drove his car about 15 miles
    to his in-laws' house and stabbed MIL to death & also stabbed his
    FIL, woke up before he got back home and drove himself to the police
    station. He was found "not guilty" of both murder and attempted
    murder a year later. The case was appealed all the way to the
    Supreme Court where the verdict of 'not guilty' was upheld in 1992.

    You can read about it here, with a link to the Supreme Court decision.

    Gabby

    Not even sure Ambien was available as a sleep aid in 1987... we're talking
    almost 20 years ago. And I have no idea what Ambien has to do with Halcion.

    No, Ambien wasn't available in 1987, but what Ambien has to do with
    Halcion is not a big stretch.

    Halcion was once the most widely prescribed sleeper, like Ambien is now.
    For a long time, the undesirable side effects of Halcion, especially
    among the elderly (who received it almost universally in hospitals and
    nursing homes) were ignored, like those of Ambien now.

    In short, the human tendency to medicate itself into the appearance of
    normality is no different now than it was then. The consequences are the
    same, too.

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