Burning toes

tree14 said:

I'm 60+ and training for a half marathon and have done several 2:15
hour training runs in Nike Shox, but at around 1:45 my toes begin to
really burn, no blisters, but just like when you get a new pair of
shoes, the only thing is it is much more painful and continues till
finish and then after cooling down my feet are back to normal. Any
suggestions like perhaps a recommended sock or as somebody told me
smother my feet with vaseline.... thanks

First of all, Nike Shox are fashion shoes, not running shoes, so get
some proper running shoes for a start! Don't buy shoes on-line unless
you are an experienced runner who knows what he's doing. If you're
heavy on your feet (or just heavy!) then Brooks or Saucony do good
shoes for you. Asics are also recommended. I personally run a lot in
Nikes but only their racing flats - they may not be suitable for you
unless you are reasonably quick and quite light.

As for the "burning" sensation - it could be something like Morton's
Neuroma (though that is generally the metatarsal arch that "burns" -
the toes go sort of numb). Alternatively, it could be because the
shoes don't fit very well - i.e. too tight. If I were you I'd get
myself along to a good running shop, staffed by runners, who will be
able to help.

Good luck.

Edward

On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 18:03:51 GMT, tree14 <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I'm 60+ and training for a half marathon and have done several 2:15
hour training runs in Nike Shox, but at around 1:45 my toes begin to
really burn, no blisters, but just like when you get a new pair of
shoes, the only thing is it is much more painful and continues till
finish and then after cooling down my feet are back to normal. Any
suggestions like perhaps a recommended sock or as somebody told me
smother my feet with vaseline.... thanks

Get rid of those [censored] shoes you idiot. Shox are NOT running shoes.
Actually no nike is, they are designer shoes.

Somebody mentioned Mortons Neuroma, a possible indicator of that is
if the second toe is longer than the first. My toes start to burn
somewhere between mile 7 and 9, if you find a cure, let me know. I've
worn Nike, New Balance, Saucony, Asics, dosen't seem to matter.

Eric

tree14 said:

I'm 60+ and training for a half marathon and have done several 2:15
hour training runs in Nike Shox, but at around 1:45 my toes begin to
really burn, no blisters, but just like when you get a new pair of
shoes, the only thing is it is much more painful and continues till
finish and then after cooling down my feet are back to normal. Any
suggestions like perhaps a recommended sock or as somebody told me
smother my feet with vaseline.... thanks

No blisters now, but hot spots on your feet are usually an indication
that blisters will come if you continue to run. Are you sure you're
wearing the correct shoe size? It could be the shoes are too short and
causing extra pressure on the toes. As you run longer, it could be that
your toes expand and cause the extra friction and heat. I've found that
if a shoe doesn't feel a little big while I'm just standing on it, then
after 2 or 3 hours of running it's going to end up being too small,
especially when running downhills. Check the inside of the shoe. Make
sure there aren't any exposed stitching that could be irritating your
toes. Check your socks. Make sure they are smooth inside and out, with no
rough spots. Don't wear cotton socks. My favorite sock is WigWam Ultimax
(http://tinyurl.com/oz5q3). You don't have to smother your feet in
vaseline. A light coat, especially around the toes works weel for me.
Keeps my feet comfartable and blister-free.

--
Phil M.

I'm a little confused The Nike shox is a good running shoe but many
of you people seem to have some sort of hate on for Nike, the shoe is
fine I'm looking for a solution to the burning, please forget about
knocking Nike and try to be a little more helpful.

On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 18:03:51 GMT, tree14 <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I'm 60+ and training for a half marathon and have done several 2:15
hour training runs in Nike Shox, but at around 1:45 my toes begin to
really burn, no blisters, but just like when you get a new pair of
shoes, the only thing is it is much more painful and continues till
finish and then after cooling down my feet are back to normal. Any
suggestions like perhaps a recommended sock or as somebody told me
smother my feet with vaseline.... thanks

tree14 said:

I'm a little confused The Nike shox is a good running shoe but many
of you people seem to have some sort of hate on for Nike, the shoe is
fine I'm looking for a solution to the burning, please forget about
knocking Nike and try to be a little more helpful.

Nike Shox are not running shoes, they are not on the Nike Running web
sites. The heel is ridiculously high and that may be part of th reason
that you are pushed forward onto your toes, causing heating.

Nike make some running shoes that suit me, but not lots of people. They
do well with light biomechanically neutral people. But those shoes
aren't shoxs, they are things like pegasus, perseus, zoom elite etc.

Tree,

Stand up. Place your feet about 4 inches apart and pointed straight
ahead. Now keep your body as straight as you are able. Now lean
forward from the ankle about and inch or two. Notice that your toes
start to dig/claw into the shoe or if in socks into the floor.

Often when runners get tired on long runs, their head drops forward and
creates the experience you just had by leaning forward from the ankle.

The image that helps is that you have no toes, so there is no need to
claw or have the toes dig into the surface.

Also if you push the crown of the head up, and keep the eyes on the
horizon, you'll stay centered over your core and the toes will be less
likely to dig into the surfrace.

Another exercise is during the day when you are standing be sure you
can always wiggle your toes.

Often, especially in women in pumps or a higher heeled shoe, you'll see
the toes digging in.

The doctors give it a name, Claw Toe...and often they would like to do
surgery on release the clawing. If only the person would align their
posture the clawing toe would not be necessary and would go away.

So remember, the toes should always be able to wiggle, even when
standing on the ball of the foot.

In health and on the run,

Ozzie Gontang
Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic.

I have run in socks for about 20+ years. When the shoe and foot are
moving in unison, there is no friction and therefore no blister.

I continue to advocate landing ball/heel as if marching in place.
Check out fellow teachers who have done some wonderful teaching of good
running form and style: Danny Dreyer of http://www.chirunning.com and
Nicolas Romanov of http://www.posetech.com

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Quoted message said:

I'm a little confused The Nike shox is a good running shoe but many
of you people seem to have some sort of hate on for Nike, the shoe is
fine I'm looking for a solution to the burning, please forget about
knocking Nike and try to be a little more helpful.

We have our generic trolls and we have our anti-Nike trolls. Just ignore
the pea brains.

-DF

tree14 said:

in Nike Shox, but at around 1:45 my toes begin to really burn

Sounds like you're in the wrong model of Shox - these will give you an extra
hour: http://tinyurl.com/f6fkk

Sorry, can't offer any real help but at least I won't shriek "Nike Sux".
Some of my favorite shoes are Nikes.

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[email hidden] (tree14):
I'm 60+ and training for a half marathon and
have done several 2:15 hour training runs in
Nike Shox, but at around 1:45 my toes begin to
really burn

Repeat after me: "Nikes are junk."
Ignore our advice and you risk injury.

On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:01:20 GMT, "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]>

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We have our generic trolls and we have our anti-Nike trolls. Just ignore
the pea brains.

-DF

So Doug, are you saying the nike shox is a legit running shoe? That is
what's at the crux of this.

On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:18:41 -0400, [email hidden] (Pea Brain)

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Repeat after me: "Nikes are junk."
Ignore our advice and you risk injury.

He's right, nike SUCKS! Only the "soon-to-be-injured", and the injured
wear nike.

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So Doug, are you saying the nike shox is a legit running shoe? That is
what's at the crux of this.

Legit for who? What I think about that specific shoe doesn't mean jack
[censored]. If someone finds solace in the shox or a two ounce racing flat or
screws imbedded in their feet and no racing organization says it is
illegal, then it is legit for that person.

And then we have the dorks that think all Nike or all brand X is bad
which is absurdly ignorant!

I hope I've answered your question.

-DF

On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:47:19 GMT, "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]>

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Legit for who? What I think about that specific shoe doesn't mean jack
[censored]. If someone finds solace in the shox or a two ounce racing flat or
screws imbedded in their feet and no racing organization says it is
illegal, then it is legit for that person.

You are still dodging the question. Every runner here knows shox are
not running shoes. So why do you cling to this fantasy?

Quoted message said:

And then we have the dorks that think all Nike or all brand X is bad
which is absurdly ignorant!

True, but it's not their fault nike sucks.

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I hope I've answered your question.

Not at all.

bad answer doug and you know that. a person can find nutrional solace
in this,
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6498304/
despite it being legitimate food, it's not too popular with the health
oriented nutrionally aware and concerned crowd (for reasons). same
with the shox, no?

our culture is overperscribed and overmedicated and the shox shoe falls
right in that vein in the running shoe world. for most people i
suspect they're an aid to continue & support an unideal striking
technique. (as opposed to a piece of technology incorporated in a shoe
supporting an actual problem). i could be wrong.

the shoes prime market is the non-runner. in new york city w/daily
runners i'm guessing less than 1% wears shox shoes. i also have never
seen a runner with shox that had the model with the shox on the
forefoot too. however go to any sports club/gym and i'd guess 25% of
that crowd wears the shoe. I'm guessing your local numbers might be
similar.

a person can believe the shox shoe works for them, however i more so
believe that's a product of little experience/exposure to all the many
brands and models of running shoes. however people believe what they
want to (can you say nasal strip?). My conclusions about the shoe are
formed from seeing the shox so incredibly rarely worn by regular
runners.

Quoted message said:

On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:47:19 GMT, "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Legit for who? What I think about that specific shoe doesn't mean jack
**expletive**. If someone finds solace in the shox or a two ounce racing flat or
screws imbedded in their feet and no racing organization says it is
illegal, then it is legit for that person.

You are still dodging the question. Every runner here knows shox are
not running shoes. So why do you cling to this fantasy?

If it works, use it. Stop being a fanatic about NIKE.

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Quoted message said:

And then we have the dorks that think all Nike or all brand X is bad
which is absurdly ignorant!

True, but it's not their fault nike sucks.

Maybe for you they do, but not everyone has problems with NIKE like you
do.

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Quoted message said:

I hope I've answered your question.

Not at all.

keep trolling.

On 5 Apr 2006 11:12:06 -0700, "Ed Prochak" <[email hidden]>

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If it works, use it. Stop being a fanatic about NIKE.

This isn't about nike, it's about the shox model. Answer the [censored]'
question.

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On 5 Apr 2006 11:12:06 -0700, "Ed Prochak" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

If it works, use it. Stop being a fanatic about NIKE.

This isn't about nike, it's about the shox model. Answer the [censored]'
question.

It was answerd but you're too dumb to understand the answer.

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bad answer doug and you know that. a person can find nutrional solace
in this,
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6498304/
despite it being legitimate food, it's not too popular with the health
oriented nutrionally aware and concerned crowd (for reasons). same
with the shox, no?

I'd pay big bucks fater a race to get my hands on one of those. You
can't discern the difference between food and shoes? Try baking your
insoles for dinner.

Quoted message said:

our culture is overperscribed and overmedicated

We agee

Quoted message said:

and the shox shoe falls
right in that vein in the running shoe world. for most people i
suspect they're an aid to continue & support an unideal striking
technique. (as opposed to a piece of technology incorporated in a shoe
supporting an actual problem). i could be wrong.

Yes, you could be wrong but hell, it hasn't stopped you before. 😉

Quoted message said:

the shoes prime market is the non-runner. in new york city w/daily
runners i'm guessing less than 1% wears shox shoes. i also have never
seen a runner with shox that had the model with the shox on the
forefoot too. however go to any sports club/gym and i'd guess 25% of
that crowd wears the shoe. I'm guessing your local numbers might be
similar.

I have never seen anyone wear them! Us mountain men don't need no
stinkin' shox on our feet, they are in our cars.

Quoted message said:

a person can believe the shox shoe works for them, however i more so
believe that's a product of little experience/exposure to all the many
brands and models of running shoes. however people believe what they
want to (can you say nasal strip?). My conclusions about the shoe are
formed from seeing the shox so incredibly rarely worn by regular
runners.

I agree but even if one person finds they work for them then all is well
for that person. People bought the Yugo. If Nike does not sell enough of
this model , i.e. lose money, they will stop making them. Didn't we have
the same business case with Air Jordans? Hell, we are being led by an
administration built on mis/dis-information, why not use the same
technique with running shoes. Ta ta Delay!

-DF