soccer --) running conversion

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Now, let's say I add a day of 1:30 worth of soccer playing.

Dude, only [censored] play soccer.

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Over the course of the soccer game,

Oh, nevermind...

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Now, for the sake of logging and training planning, should I put that I run 5h30m per week? In the
past, I was chopping off an entire 15 minutes worth of soccer time in an effort to 'convert' to
running time, but I think perhaps I was being overly conservative.

I´d perhaps have used another word...

You may be more or less stationary for as much as 15 minutes, but in such short "bursts" that it´s
comparable to stopping to drink during a long run, IMHO.

You can also prevent some such spells by volunteering to fetch the off-limits ball also when is the
other team´s throw-in:-)

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Seems like I should also consider this a 'hard' day as well, in the training program scheme of
things, no?

Let´s see: you run about 10K, probably half of it easy, and you make about 40 all-out
glycogen-depleting dashes. How do you feel afterwards?:-)

Supposedly, _all_ training sessions above 75-80% HRmax are "hard" sessions "at our level" - and we
should, in the long run, have no more than two "hard" sessions in a week.

But I must admit that I personally circumvent this rule by naming one "hard" session a
"brisk" one...

Anders

Well, you'd know better than anyone else.

Boyd

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Now, let's say I add a day of 1:30 worth of soccer playing.

Dude, only [censored] play soccer.

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Over the course of the soccer game,

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I find they generally use different muscle sets- football is more like intervals. Evne though I have
considerable SLD conditioning, I find it takes a while to get used to football.

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Now, for the sake of logging and training planning, should I put that I

run

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5h30m per week? In the past, I was chopping off an entire 15 minutes

worth

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of soccer time in an effort to 'convert' to running time, but I think perhaps I was being overly
conservative.

I´d perhaps have used another word...

You may be more or less stationary for as much as 15 minutes, but in such short "bursts" that it´s
comparable to stopping to drink during a long run, IMHO.

You can also prevent some such spells by volunteering to fetch the off-limits ball also when is
the other team´s throw-in:-)

I actually do try to go out of my way to keep myself to a slow jog at minimum during the entire
game,...I'm way ahead of you on the ball fetching!
🙂

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Seems like I should also consider this a 'hard' day as well, in the

training

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program scheme of things, no?

Let´s see: you run about 10K, probably half of it easy, and you make about 40 all-out
glycogen-depleting dashes. How do you feel afterwards?:-)

Seems to be about the equivalent of a 80% HRmax 10 mile run (same avg HR and duration),...easier
than a true "hard day", but also definitely harder than a true "easy day",...hrmm...

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Supposedly, _all_ training sessions above 75-80% HRmax are "hard" sessions "at our level" - and we
should, in the long run, have no more than two "hard" sessions in a week.

But I must admit that I personally circumvent this rule by naming one "hard" session a
"brisk" one...

Yeah,...sounds good 🙂 I have one good 90%HRmax tempo run day on thursdays that is a hard session
and my long run at ~80%HRmax should be considered hard, and the soccer day is more of a "brisk"
day,...sorta like 2.5 hard days per week. I guess that's close enough for me 🙂

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I used to play soccer too. Like you, I know that 90 minutes of fast sprinting interspersed with
light running bloody kills you. It's about how serious you play the game in the end. I always
equated 90 minutes of serious soccer with three hours of light jogging. Our coaches used to drill
this formula into us - I completely agree with it.

Put it another way. I had to stop playing soccer three years ago because the twisting and turning
was aggravating my knees. With stopping the competitive soccer I also stopped my mid week training
session. I still went for my long runs as usual though. In the space of a year I put on
30lb. Moral of the story? That soccer burns them calories up !! I am only now in the process of
losing that 30lb. Most ex amateur soccer players have a big problem with piling on weight
when they stop playing. Steve Nottingham , UK

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Let's say I run 4 hours per week, spanning 5 days

Now, let's say I add a day of 1:30 worth of soccer playing.

I conducted a little experiment today:

Over the course of the soccer game, my HR averages just slightly higher

than

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a typical 10 mile 'steady pace' run, ~80%HRmax, which just happens to last just about 1:30.
Naturally, my HR swings across a much wider range during soccer, from a low of occasional easy
aerobic zone all the way up to

spurts

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well past threshold zone, very much like a fartlek run.

Now, for the sake of logging and training planning, should I put that I

run

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5h30m per week? In the past, I was chopping off an entire 15 minutes worth of soccer time in an
effort to 'convert' to running time, but I think perhaps I was being overly conservative.

Seems like I should also consider this a 'hard' day as well, in the

training

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program scheme of things, no?

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i never got jake's original message. so, i'll just piggyback on this one.

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I used to play soccer too. Like you, I know that 90 minutes of fast sprinting interspersed with
light running bloody kills you. It's about how

i'll agree. only depends on how hard you play. if and when i play hard, i sleep about 10-12 hrs
that night.

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serious you play the game in the end. I always equated 90 minutes of serious soccer with three
hours of light jogging. Our coaches used to drill this formula into us - I completely agree
with it.

i have no idea about equating soccer to 3hrs light jogging. more so, since i usually don't run for
more than 50 minutes.

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In the space of a year I put on
30lb. Moral of the story? That soccer burns them calories up !!

i agree.

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now in the process of losing that 30lb. Most ex amateur soccer players have a big problem with
piling on weight when they stop playing. Steve Nottingham , UK

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Let's say I run 4 hours per week, spanning 5 days

Now, let's say I add a day of 1:30 worth of soccer playing.

Now, for the sake of logging and training planning, should I put that I

run

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5h30m per week? In the past, I was chopping off an entire 15 minutes worth of soccer time in an
effort to 'convert' to running time, but I think perhaps I was being overly conservative.

doesn't really matter as long as you know how hard/easy it was. i usually log like this: X miles +
1.5 hr soccer.

converting soccer time to running time might not be that accurate. soccer usually involves a lot of
stop-and-go motions, sprints, walking, running backwards, tumbling, flying in the air, etc.. so,
it's hard to convert that into "plain" running time.

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Seems like I should also consider this a 'hard' day as well, in the training program scheme of
things, no?

this would depend on how hard you play. if you play hard, consider it a hard day, else don't.

to give my own example, i usually play soccer once a week. for about 1.5 hrs. sometimes i play with
a pedometer. i log anywhere from 5000 to 9000 steps. i can tell how hard i played by how many hours
of sleep i need that night and by the soreness of the leg muscles the next morning.

jobs

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Now, let's say I add a day of 1:30 worth of soccer playing.

Dude, only [censored] play soccer.

Wrong, only Americans don't. And it's called football in the real world. The ball is kicked with the
foot, not thrown with the hand!

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Let's say I run 4 hours per week, spanning 5 days

Now, let's say I add a day of 1:30 worth of soccer playing.

I conducted a little experiment today:

Over the course of the soccer game, my HR averages just slightly higher than a typical 10 mile
'steady pace' run, ~80%HRmax, which just happens to last just about 1:30. Naturally, my HR swings
across a much wider range during soccer, from a low of occasional easy aerobic zone all the way up
to spurts well past threshold zone, very much like a fartlek run.

Now, for the sake of logging and training planning, should I put that I run 5h30m per week? In the
past, I was chopping off an entire 15 minutes worth of soccer time in an effort to 'convert' to
running time, but I think perhaps I was being overly conservative.

Seems like I should also consider this a 'hard' day as well, in the training program scheme of
things, no?

Certainly put the soccer in your training log. How to equate it to running, and whether, are
somewhat different questions.

I do find that for my purposes, time at effort level equates fairly well to running. That's for
stationary bike, rowing machine, and swimming. If I'm on the bike for 90 minutes, my next day's
run feels much like it does when I've run for 90 minutes -- minus some of the impact stress. The
things I do and equate are steadier efforts than soccer, though.

For your experiment -- try running 90 minutes at 80% one day, running an easy 3 miles the next
day, and compare with 90 minutes soccer followed by an easy 3 miles the next day. If your followup
runs feel comparable, I'd go with recording the soccer as a 90 minute run. Adjust as needed.

When it comes time for preparing for a specific race, I don't think these equivalences are as
meaningful. But I've found them to work quite well in both base building and in upping my longest
aerobic stretches. (The 90 minute biking was not figurative. I did that.)

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great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more
abstruse manner." Two New Sciences

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Wrong, only Americans don't.

Cause were not [censored].

Well obviously you are not cigarettes.

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Re: soccer --> running conversion

So just how long do you have to play soccer before this *conversion* to being gay takes place?

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Well obviously you are not cigarettes.

Don't try to impress your weird word-meanings on us there you lowly brit.

I'm not a brit, I'm a Scot.

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In article said:

Let's say I run 4 hours per week, spanning 5 days

Now, let's say I add a day of 1:30 worth of soccer playing.

I conducted a little experiment today:

Over the course of the soccer game, my HR averages just slightly higher

than

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a typical 10 mile 'steady pace' run, ~80%HRmax, which just happens to

last

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just about 1:30. Naturally, my HR swings across a much wider range during soccer, from a low of
occasional easy aerobic zone all the way up to

spurts

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well past threshold zone, very much like a fartlek run.

Now, for the sake of logging and training planning, should I put that I

run

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5h30m per week? In the past, I was chopping off an entire 15 minutes

worth

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of soccer time in an effort to 'convert' to running time, but I think perhaps I was being overly
conservative.

Seems like I should also consider this a 'hard' day as well, in the

training

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program scheme of things, no?

Certainly put the soccer in your training log. How to equate it to running, and whether, are
somewhat different questions.

I do find that for my purposes, time at effort level equates fairly well to running. That's for
stationary bike, rowing machine, and

swimming.

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If I'm on the bike for 90 minutes, my next day's run feels much like it does when I've run for 90
minutes -- minus some of the impact stress. The things I do and equate are steadier efforts than
soccer, though.

For your experiment -- try running 90 minutes at 80% one day, running an easy 3 miles the next
day, and compare with 90 minutes soccer followed by an easy 3 miles the next day. If your
followup runs feel comparable, I'd go with recording the soccer as a 90 minute run. Adjust as
needed.

When it comes time for preparing for a specific race, I don't think these equivalences are as
meaningful. But I've found them to work quite well in both base building and in upping my
longest aerobic stretches. (The 90 minute biking was not figurative. I did that.)

Thanks for the input Robert,...Yeah, I do feel more 'beat' both immediately after and the day after
a 90 minute soccer game, compared to a 90 minute
10.5 mile run at ~8:30 pace, both with similare avg HR's, soccer being a touch higher. So, the more
I think about it, the more I'm inclined to simply include the soccer time into my running time at
face-value.

Seems that I'm deriving pretty much all of the benefits (aerobically + general running conditioning)
of running from a similar time spent playing soccer, so why not?

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