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  1. I have the design done for the new Coker unicycle frame but I wanted to
    get some input on handles.

    1. Would it matter if the handle mounted to the seat base or could it
    be mounted to the frame?

    2. What is the prefered type of handle? One hand muni style or I what
    I like to call PBR style or 2 hands in a semi aero bar type setup?

    3. If it is 2 hands would a straight bar like a very narrow handle
    bar or extending forward like a aero bar be better?

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  2. Everyone is going to want a different kind of handle. I prefer the
    normal saddle handle that comes stock on the Miyata and KH saddles
    myself. To accommodate the many requests you will have, perhaps a tube
    welded to the seatpost tube to which the rider can attach his handle of
    choice will be the best compromise. This is similar to providing bosses
    for brakes if someone wants to add them later.

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  3. I prefer the normal front of the saddle handle such as you would find on
    the KH and Miyata seats but I know other people prefer larger handles.

    I think this might be one of the places wher ethere needs to be an
    option for what sort of handle is wanted. supply the Big One stock with
    the standard handle on the seat but have an option to buy a handle that
    is of the aero design that you mentioned for people who are interested
    in racing and want something more substantial.

    Any chance of a sneeky peek at the new frame?

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  4. Many riders seem to like this style of handle.

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  5. I really like this 2 handed handle as it is symetric and keeps me
    centered. My hands rarely ever leave these handles when riding. You
    need a strong seat base for this kind of handle.

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  6. I expect mounting the handle on the seat would allow the smallest inseam
    of riders.

    Alas, with my short 28" inseam, I may not be able to ride this new
    wheel. 🙁

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  7. I have only had my coker for a month but I do strictly city riding
    weaving in and out of people and urban obsticles like up and down
    steps, so for me I usually ride with one hand on the KH saddle handle.
    I would think that the best thing for handles would to have them mount
    to the seatpost, like the accessory tree above, either clamp on
    simmilar to the way a barend clamps on to the handlebars or have it
    bolt on somehow, but in either case it should be removeable so that
    people who use their coker for things other than distance can leave
    them off. And if it's mounted to the frame it would need angle
    adjustments of some sort for different height people.

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  8. If you want yet another idea--'Lars Clausen,'
    (http://www.thelutheran.org/images/photo/05july/lars.jpg) who rode his
    Coker thru all 50 states (9000+ miles, if I remember correctly), used a
    double handle mounted on the back.

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  9. pdc said:

    I really like this 2 handed handle as it is symetric and keeps me
    centered. My hands rarely ever leave these handles when riding. You
    need a strong seat base for this kind of handle.

    thats a pimped out uni if i ever saw one!

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  10. Jethro said:

    If you want yet another idea--'Lars Clausen,'
    (http://www.thelutheran.org/images/photo/05july/lars.jpg) who rode his
    Coker thru all 50 states (9000+ miles, if I remember correctly), used a
    double handle mounted on the back.

    I have watched Lars mount his Coker with that handle setup...it starts
    with the wheel behind you instead of in front, and it is far from an
    easy or traditional mount. I'd tend to agree with Harper's
    comments...handles are a fairly personal item, so my suggestion would
    be if you're going to include only one type as "stock", include
    something very basic and traditional that doesn't add much to the cost,
    as many distance riders will wish to personalize this element of their
    machines.

    Click 'here' (http://tinyurl.com/hb7r6) for a view of my custom George
    Barnes / Dave Stockton handle. I love this thing...it has the
    traditional "U" shaped grips for climbing or descending, and the
    cross-bar which I grab lightly with my right hand while spinning on the
    flats.

    And if you want to see the far end of the custom spectrum, check out
    this '\"handle envy\"' (http://tinyurl.com/odlse).

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  11. i've always liked the GB4 style while cokering, but maybe a more
    "traditional" handle would be best for a stock one.

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  12. Thanks for giving us an update.
    Hey, I was wondering if this "new Coker unicycle frame" you have been
    working on will handle the old 36" or will it be the bigger wheel you
    have mentioned (40"-42" wheel)?

    Please keep us updated!
    I am having fantasies of riding a 42" soon. 😄
    Thanks!

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  13. new_coker said:

    I have the design done for the new Coker unicycle frame but I wanted to
    get some input on handles.

    1. Would it matter if the handle mounted to the seat base or could it
    be mounted to the frame?

    2. What is the prefered type of handle? One hand muni style or I what
    I like to call PBR style or 2 hands in a semi aero bar type setup?

    3. If it is 2 hands would a straight bar like a very narrow handle
    bar or extending forward like a aero bar be better?

    I'm a stock KH handle person myself, cos I don't just ride for
    distance. For muni I don't like anything bigger than the KH handle,
    when I've ridden with metal handles, even the muni-style ones right in
    front of the seat they tend to give me leg bruises when I fall off.
    I've ridden with people who have various pimpy handles though,
    obviously the GB one (the 2 handed one shown on here), but also a few
    other things like one made out of a pair of bar ends clamped together,
    to give a handle at right angle to the wheel, just in front of the seat
    handle and one made out of an adjustable stoker stem and a cut down
    handlebar. There's even someone who rides with a single long wooden
    pole, which fits into something which I believe is a cut up bike stem
    attached to the seatpost. The rider can lean on the pole when going on
    easy terrain, or pull it out so that it's out of the way when riding
    harder stuff.

    Handles attaching to anywhere other than the seat would be great,
    especially if they're able to be put in a position where there's a
    decent ability to pull up on them for uphills. Attaching handles to the
    seat base means either you need an expensive seat, or you get through a
    lot of seats. If it clamped onto the seatpost or frame, and was
    available to buy as an extra that'd be coolest.

    Joe

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  14. Most distance riders end up using a rail adapter to be able to adjust
    the seat for comfort. If you use the KH type with the brake post, you
    can use it to also reinforce a GB4 type handle -
    http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=576. In doing this you
    can avoid needing an expensive Carbon Fiber base. Another inexpensive
    way to reinforce a seat base is -
    http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=607. Currently these
    are only available for a Miyata seat. But if you are designing new
    stuff, this would be an easy and relatively inexpensive item to make
    available as an option for handle mounting. Here is a picture of the
    rail adapter reinforcement that I am currently using with a standard KH
    base.

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  15. I'm not happy with those 'two handles' out the front for aggresive
    offroading, or even steep road descending, any situation where you
    really need to reef up on the handles. sure you 'can' with this setup,
    it just sucks.

    I wonder if there is a way to design a more quickly interchangable
    handle without having to unscrew all those bolts (risking stripping
    each time) you could just throw on the best handle for the ride you
    are heading out on (or both if you are going away for the weekend)

    A distance handle and an offroad handle that were easily/quickly
    interchangeagle would make me the happiest boy in the land

    Thanks for all the work you are doing on this!!

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  16. I like gb4 handles but id like if they wernt so compact and were more
    horazontal when mounted

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  17. This and the next 2 posts are some of my 36" road versions, direct drive
    and geared. Here's the former "Red Menace" direct drive:

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  18. Here's an older version of Purple Phaze:

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  19. And finally the first version of Phaze Too. It's being rebuilt with lots
    more red components. Point being in these posts that I probably
    represent an extreme of road riding positions. So are handlebars a
    subjective item?...Heck yes!
    To weigh in on the new coker issue, I would agree with Harper to simply
    build a post of sorts off the seat tube of the new frame, and let the
    customer decide what to use. If the post mount is there, folks will
    design and make their own handles, and some of us (U-Turn maybe?) could
    offer an array of after-market handles, as long as the mount is a
    standard size ID.

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  20. Jethro said:

    If you want yet another idea--'Lars Clausen,'
    (http://www.thelutheran.org/images/photo/05july/lars.jpg) who rode his
    Coker thru all 50 states (9000+ miles, if I remember correctly), used a
    double handle mounted on the back.

    I have been experimenting for the past yeat with the rear mounted style
    bars. I started out with a setup similar to the one Lars had made out
    of kids bike parts. And now after about 5 revisions I have a set that
    have been working realy well for me.

    They clamp directly to the seat post (either 7/8" or 1"😉 and the rider
    can mount from the rear with a little extra effort.

    'videos of rear mounted bars' (http://tinyurl.com/rff92)

    This was one of the earliest versions in the videos. I since have added
    more "hip room" and they are now easier to step over, and i added a
    twist at the hand grip for less wrist strain.

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