More Uneducated Doctors...

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My training partner decided to get a physical last week since he hadn't had one since college
(he's 24). The assistant took his pulse and such as normal before the doctor came in. One the
doctor arrived, the first thing she did was tell him his pulse was 48 and ask him if that was
normal. He said that was actually a little high, so she took it again and it was 44. She
ordered him to have a 24 hour EKG this week because "it isn't normal for anyone, even an
athlete, to have a resting pulse lower than 50." I told him to refuse it, hand her a pile of
internet references and tell her to educate herself. She must only see obese couch potatos or
something if a pulse under 50 alarmed her. This was a 15:37 5k guy she was looking at. I
thought it was kind of funny because my resting pulse the morning he told me this was 38... 🙂
Andy Hass

I'm sure this story must have a moral or something. How about "Don't visit the doctor unless you're
sick"? Of course the doctor should have been familiar with athletes having slower than normal pulses
but then doctors are trained to look for disease, not health.

Seriously, screening well people looking for "sickness" is always going to throw up a lot of false
positives and is of very dubious value.

Tim
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It's only Usenet. Nobody dies.

Tim Downie said:

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My training partner decided to get a physical last week since he hadn't had one since college
(he's 24). The assistant took his pulse and such as normal before the doctor came in. One the
doctor arrived, the first thing she did was tell him his pulse was 48 and ask him if that was
normal. He said that was actually a little high, so she took it again and it was 44. She
ordered him to have a 24 hour EKG this week because "it isn't normal for anyone, even an
athlete, to have a resting pulse lower than 50." I told him to refuse it, hand her a pile of
internet references and tell her to educate herself. She must only see obese couch potatos or
something if a pulse under 50 alarmed her. This was a 15:37 5k guy she was looking at. I
thought it was kind of funny because my resting pulse the morning he told me this was 38... 🙂
Andy Hass

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I'm sure this story must have a moral or something. How about "Don't visit the doctor unless
you're sick"? Of course the doctor should have been familiar with athletes having slower than
normal pulses but then doctors are trained to look for disease, not health.

---Well, you notice sickness by recognizing symptoms that differ from what is normal for a
population. A resting pulse in the 40s is not abnormal for an athletic person. Andy Hass

The better your insurance is, the worse sick you will be.

Bill-always hard-Rodgers said:

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My training partner decided to get a physical last week since he hadn't had one since college
(he's 24)

BIG MISTAKE! If you aren't sick don't go. In India when Drs went on strike the death rate DROPPED
50%!!!!!!!! Take a lesson from history.

Bill R.

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Yeah, i can get you a couple of bottles of HP sause. What size?? Catering size possible - will last
you for ever. Let me know and I will send you details of what postage etc will be.

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I'm sure this story must have a moral or something. How about "Don't

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the doctor unless you're sick"? Of course the doctor should have been familiar with athletes
having slower than normal pulses but then doctors

are

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trained to look for disease, not health.

Seriously, screening well people looking for "sickness" is always going

to

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throw up a lot of false positives and is of very dubious value.

Tim
--
It's only Usenet. Nobody die

Right on Tim! BTW, it looks like that welcher Hunter isn't going to send me my HP sause

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promised. As soon as he realized he'd have to put a return address on it,

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it would be stamped with the area he's from he got gerbils in his drawers.

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you have availabilty to the liquid gold over there? Any chance we can cut

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deal for a few bottles? You'll have to reply here, it seems TheBillRodgers isn't receiving much

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lately LOL.

Bill R.

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Yeah, i can get you a couple of bottles of HP sause. What size?? Catering size possible - will last
you for ever. Let me know and I will send you details of what postage etc will be.

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I'm sure this story must have a moral or something. How about "Don't

visit

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the doctor unless you're sick"? Of course the doctor should have been familiar with athletes
having slower than normal pulses but then doctors

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

trained to look for disease, not health.

Seriously, screening well people looking for "sickness" is always going

to

Quoted message said:

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throw up a lot of false positives and is of very dubious value.

Tim
--
It's only Usenet. Nobody die

Right on Tim! BTW, it looks like that welcher Hunter isn't going to send me my HP sause

as

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promised. As soon as he realized he'd have to put a return address on it,

and

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it would be stamped with the area he's from he got gerbils in his drawers.

Do

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you have availabilty to the liquid gold over there? Any chance we can cut

a

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deal for a few bottles? You'll have to reply here, it seems TheBillRodgers isn't receiving much

email

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lately LOL.

Bill R.

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OO

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She ordered him to have a 24 hour EKG this week because "it isn't normal

for

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anyone, even an athlete, to have a resting pulse lower than 50." I told him to refuse it, hand her
a pile of internet references and

tell

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her to educate herself. She must only see obese couch potatos or

something

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if a pulse under 50 alarmed her. This was a 15:37 5k guy she was looking

at.

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I thought it was kind of funny because my resting pulse the morning he told me this was
38... 🙂

Hass, you're an idiot. You and your friend are dying. The doctor was only trying to point this out
to you in a kindly manner. Jeese, some people...

Roger.

But they're dying more slowly than the people the doctors usually see :-)

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She ordered him to have a 24 hour EKG this week because "it isn't normal

for

Quoted message said:

anyone, even an athlete, to have a resting pulse lower than 50." I told him to refuse it, hand
her a pile of internet references and

tell

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her to educate herself. She must only see obese couch potatos or

something

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if a pulse under 50 alarmed her. This was a 15:37 5k guy she was

looking

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at.

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I thought it was kind of funny because my resting pulse the morning

he

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told me this was 38... 🙂

Hass, you're an idiot. You and your friend are dying. The doctor was only trying to point this out
to you in a kindly manner. Jeese, some people...

Roger.

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Seriously, screening well people looking for "sickness" is always going to throw up a lot of false
positives and is of very dubious value.

Unless you appear to be quite well, and are found to have a cholesterol problem in a routine
physical, like happened to me.

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My training partner decided to get a physical last week since he hadn't had one since college
(he's 24). The assistant took his pulse and such as normal before the doctor came in. One the
doctor arrived, the first thing she did was tell him his pulse was 48 and ask him if that was
normal. He said that was actually a little high, so she took it again and it was 44. She ordered
him to have a 24 hour EKG this week because "it isn't normal for anyone, even an athlete, to
have a resting pulse lower than 50." I told him to refuse it, hand her a pile of internet
references and tell her to educate herself. She must only see obese couch potatos or something
if a pulse under 50 alarmed her. This was a 15:37 5k guy she was looking at. I thought it was
kind of funny because my resting pulse the morning he told me this was 38... 🙂

It's something in the air, I guess. Not long ago on a cardiology newsgroup on this very Internet a
*cardiologist* opined that anybody with a heart rate below 50 would probably collapse or be
lightheaded. I noted that as I wrote my response to his post my hr was in the mid-40s.

Scary, isn't it? Fortunately, my cardios have always been more tolerant of my 30s and 40s. :-)
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Old marathoners never die, they just fade away in the long run. Don

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Quoted message said:

My training partner decided to get a physical last week since he hadn't had one since college
(he's 24). The assistant took his pulse and such as normal before the doctor came in. One the
doctor arrived, the first thing she did was tell him his pulse was 48 and ask him if that was
normal. He said that was actually a little high, so she took it again and it was 44. She
ordered him to have a 24 hour EKG this week because "it isn't normal

for

Quoted message said:

anyone, even an athlete, to have a resting pulse lower than 50." I told him to refuse it, hand her
a pile of internet references and

tell

Quoted message said:

her to educate herself. She must only see obese couch potatos or

something

Quoted message said:

if a pulse under 50 alarmed her. This was a 15:37 5k guy she was looking

at.

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I thought it was kind of funny because my resting pulse the morning he told me this was 38...
🙂 Andy Hass