Shoulder issues

John said:

It seems that when I'm warming up for shoulder exercises, my left one
bothers me. It's not too painful, but more of an annoyance. When I put heavy
weight on it, it disappears. Am I asking for an injury?

Imo, yes. Keep us posted on this.

I *still* cannot do BP. Been doing a ton of squats and DL's though.
~GJ~

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It seems that when I'm warming up for shoulder exercises, my left one
bothers me. It's not too painful, but more of an annoyance. When I put
heavy
weight on it, it disappears. Am I asking for an injury?

I would check with a doctor if I were you

Offhand, if your shoulders are anything like mine, I'd say you shouldn't
be too concerned. I couldn't tell you why, but a lot of times I feel
like [censored] until I lift something heavy. My shoulders always seem to
feel better after presses, and in particular my lower back feels better
after I work it some.

The one thing you might look into is joint health exercises for use in
your warmups. There's one called an Egytian by some - you basically
keep both palms up but you rotate the hand 360 degrees as you switch
from side to side. Works great for me. I couldn't find any online
pictures and the descriptions I found seemed to be describing a yoga
move that's not what I'm talking about - it's the "walk like an
Egyptian" thing except that you try to keep both arms up and fairly
straight, pointed to the sides and 180 opposite each other, in
particular not letting the back arm drop. You can play with the amount
of torso rotation you do - by turning your body more and more from side
to side, you get more ROM in the shoulders.

Just my opinion.

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Steve Freides said:

I would check with a doctor if I were you

Or our"Tiny Ballerina" Steve can give you the old "turn your head and
cough" test himself, in a way only he can.

John,
My shoulders sometimes hurt before lifting. I do incline proess more
than bench press and it has helped me not have them get too bad. I am
in the same boat, it is funny how 135lbs can make my shoulder hurt
while going heavy I don't feel bad. Your situation may be different
than mine so I can't give you a doctor's advice, but I have been
dealing with my shoulders hurting for over ten years so if I stopped
lifting because they hurt then I wouldn't lift much. I am very careful
about form especially on things like bench press and DIPS. No matter
what you do be careful on form since there is obviously something not
quite right with your shoulder(s) structure. If you are currently
lifting machines, then I would recommend free-weights since it gives
you more freedom to lift in a comfortable way and will strengthen your
stabilizers better.

Good Luck,
James

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John,
My shoulders sometimes hurt before lifting. I do incline proess more
than bench press and it has helped me not have them get too bad. I am
in the same boat, it is funny how 135lbs can make my shoulder hurt
while going heavy I don't feel bad. Your situation may be different
than mine so I can't give you a doctor's advice, but I have been
dealing with my shoulders hurting for over ten years so if I stopped
lifting because they hurt then I wouldn't lift much. I am very careful
about form especially on things like bench press and DIPS. No matter
what you do be careful on form since there is obviously something not
quite right with your shoulder(s) structure. If you are currently
lifting machines, then I would recommend free-weights since it gives
you more freedom to lift in a comfortable way and will strengthen your
stabilizers better.

Thanks. The only time I use machines is when I do leg curls and extensions
and when I don't have a dip belt available. If my shoulders begin to get
painful, I'll talk to an orthopedic doc about it. But like I said, it's more
of an annoyance. Most likely like yours.

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John,
My shoulders sometimes hurt before lifting. I do incline proess more
than bench press and it has helped me not have them get too bad. I am
in the same boat, it is funny how 135lbs can make my shoulder hurt
while going heavy I don't feel bad. Your situation may be different
than mine so I can't give you a doctor's advice, but I have been
dealing with my shoulders hurting for over ten years so if I stopped
lifting because they hurt then I wouldn't lift much. I am very careful
about form especially on things like bench press and DIPS. No matter
what you do be careful on form since there is obviously something not
quite right with your shoulder(s) structure. If you are currently
lifting machines, then I would recommend free-weights since it gives
you more freedom to lift in a comfortable way and will strengthen your
stabilizers better.

Thanks. The only time I use machines is when I do leg curls and
extensions and when I don't have a dip belt available. If my shoulders
begin to get painful, I'll talk to an orthopedic doc about it. But like
I said, it's more of an annoyance. Most likely like yours.

Might just be that you're sleeping on that shoulder and it gets crinked up.

Hugh

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Exercise is a dirty word. Whenever I hear it, I wash my mouth out with
chocolate. ("Ladi"😉

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John,
My shoulders sometimes hurt before lifting. I do incline proess more
than bench press and it has helped me not have them get too bad. I am
in the same boat, it is funny how 135lbs can make my shoulder hurt
while going heavy I don't feel bad. Your situation may be different
than mine so I can't give you a doctor's advice, but I have been
dealing with my shoulders hurting for over ten years so if I stopped
lifting because they hurt then I wouldn't lift much. I am very careful
about form especially on things like bench press and DIPS. No matter
what you do be careful on form since there is obviously something not
quite right with your shoulder(s) structure. If you are currently
lifting machines, then I would recommend free-weights since it gives
you more freedom to lift in a comfortable way and will strengthen your
stabilizers better.

Thanks. The only time I use machines is when I do leg curls and
extensions and when I don't have a dip belt available. If my shoulders
begin to get painful, I'll talk to an orthopedic doc about it. But like
I said, it's more of an annoyance. Most likely like yours.

Might just be that you're sleeping on that shoulder and it gets crinked

up.

I've actually thought that might be it. I feel it if I lay on that side, and
when I lay on the floor on my stomach, the load gets put on that shoulder.
Oh well, I have insurance...

Steve Freides said:

I couldn't tell you why, but a lot of times I feel
like [censored] until I lift something heavy. My shoulders always seem to
feel better after presses, and in particular my lower back feels better
after I work it some.

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-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

I feel the same way. I'd really like to hear an explanation.

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Steve Freides said:

I couldn't tell you why, but a lot of times I feel
like [censored] until I lift something heavy. My shoulders always seem to
feel better after presses, and in particular my lower back feels better
after I work it some.

I feel the same way. I'd really like to hear an explanation.

Endorphins. Placebo. Some combination thereof.

David

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Steve Freides said:

I couldn't tell you why, but a lot of times I feel
like [censored] until I lift something heavy. My shoulders always seem to
feel better after presses, and in particular my lower back feels
better
after I work it some.

I feel the same way. I'd really like to hear an explanation.

Endorphins. Placebo. Some combination thereof.

I think the word "activation" should figure into this answer, although I
don't know how ...

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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>I couldn't tell you why, but a lot of times I feel
> like [censored] until I lift something heavy. My shoulders always seem to
>feel better after presses, and in particular my lower back feels better
>after I work it some.

I feel the same way. I'd really like to hear an explanation.

Endorphins. Placebo. Some combination thereof.

I think the word "activation" should figure into this answer, although I
don't know how ...

"Lifting heavy causes activation of the endorphin-placebo axis."

"I received my Army Reserve activation orders, despite me telling them my
shoulder hurts."

David

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> "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>I couldn't tell you why, but a lot of times I feel
>> like [censored] until I lift something heavy. My shoulders always seem
>> to
>>feel better after presses, and in particular my lower back feels
>>better
>>after I work it some.
>
> I feel the same way. I'd really like to hear an explanation.

Endorphins. Placebo. Some combination thereof.

I think the word "activation" should figure into this answer,
although I don't know how ...

"Lifting heavy causes activation of the endorphin-placebo axis."

"I received my Army Reserve activation orders, despite me telling them
my shoulder hurts."

I like the first one better, but I was thinking of something along the
lines of "activates deep stabilizing muscles in the such-and-such."
Maybe, in my next life, I'll go to physical therapy school - I looked
into it once a couple of years ago but they told me it would take six
years and I don't have the patience. Something about three years to
complete all the undergrad stuff I didn't have, then three more years of
PT school.

<sigh> - activation of the endorphin-placebo axis it will be.

Time to break out the snow blower...

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>> "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>I couldn't tell you why, but a lot of times I feel
>>> like [censored] until I lift something heavy. My shoulders always seem
>>> to
>>>feel better after presses, and in particular my lower back feels
>>>better
>>>after I work it some.
>>
>> I feel the same way. I'd really like to hear an explanation.
>
> Endorphins. Placebo. Some combination thereof.

I think the word "activation" should figure into this answer,
although I don't know how ...

"Lifting heavy causes activation of the endorphin-placebo axis."

"I received my Army Reserve activation orders, despite me telling them
my shoulder hurts."

I like the first one better, but I was thinking of something along the
lines of "activates deep stabilizing muscles in the such-and-such."
Maybe, in my next life, I'll go to physical therapy school - I looked
into it once a couple of years ago but they told me it would take six
years and I don't have the patience. Something about three years to
complete all the undergrad stuff I didn't have, then three more years of
PT school.

<sigh> - activation of the endorphin-placebo axis it will be.

Time to break out the snow blower...

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

My shoulder felt a little shaky before I shoveled the driveway,
sidewalk, and front walk. Noe it feels much better. I'm still
waiting for a plausible explanation. I'm not medically trained, but
from what little I understand about endorphins, this probably isn't a
key component to what I experience. My workouts are very brief and I
typically take a generous break between sets. (Shoveling today was
more of a strength-endurance event.) I don't know whether
short-intensity workouts would release endorphins. I also don't know
whether the activation-of-stabilizing-muscles hypothesis fully
accounts for everything. I guess this would better support the prime
movers in an exercise, but I still don't know why one's shoulders
would feel a little shaky or ache unless the stabilizers are
activated. It makes sense in my case because I'm rehabbing a rotator
cuff impingement along with biceps tendonitis (thanks to using poor
fform/technique when lifting associated with not doing flexibility
training), but, for people who don't have these problems, why would
one's shoulders ache or feel a little "off" unless they're doing heavy
lifting?

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