Some misinformation showed up on another thread about wild mushrooms;
important subject to be clear on. A comment was made that amanita
mushrooms are poisonous, another person said, amanita muscaria (the red
one with the white 'dots'😉 is edible, and another pointed out that A.
muscaria is in fact poisonous.
Here are some amanita facts:
The most deadly mushrooms known are in this family (A. virosa, A.
ocreata). There are many good edilbles in this family too (A.caesarea,
A. velosa) in fact world wide, amanitas are probably the most important
of any mushroom commercially and as a food resource.
The important thing with amanitas---any wild mushroom in fact, is: Know
what you are doing!!!!!!
As for A. muscaria: Yes, they are poisonous and also hallucinagenic,
causing both gastric upset and often very scary mental states.
HOWEVER....they are easily made edible: clean, slice, drop into boiling
water and boil for 5 minutes. drain, rinse, and use in any recipe. I
have done this many times for large groups in the course of my work as
a chef (I also teach mycology)
Do not assume by the way that other poisonous mushrooms can be rendered
non-toxic this way, only one or two other amanitas---notably A.
pantherina, more poisonous than A. muscaria.
I am happy to share info on the subject of wild mushrooms both
gathering and cooking.
regards, lavenderblue
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On 13 Feb 2006 11:53:34 -0800, "lavenderblue" <[email hidden]>
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"As for A. muscaria: Yes, they are poisonous and also hallucinagenic,
causing both gastric upset and often very scary mental states."Hmm, I get the same reaction when relatives come over for the holidays
and overstay their welcome. I knew they were pod people. -
day said:
Hmm, I get the same reaction when relatives come over for the
holidays and overstay their welcome. I knew they were pod people.Not likely. Nobody talks about what's really going on,
except one person.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_humanoid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_IckeHope this helps! :-)
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:44:36 -0800, Mark Thorson <[email hidden]>
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day said:
Hmm, I get the same reaction when relatives come over for the
holidays and overstay their welcome. I knew they were pod people.Not likely. Nobody talks about what's really going on,
except one person.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_humanoid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_IckeHope this helps! :-)
Wow, they must know my relatives. -
at Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:53:34 GMT in <1139860414.509933.129410
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, [email hidden] (lavenderblue) wrote :Quoted message said:
As for A. muscaria: Yes, they are poisonous and also hallucinagenic,
causing both gastric upset and often very scary mental states.
HOWEVER....they are easily made edible: clean, slice, drop into boiling
water and boil for 5 minutes. drain, rinse, and use in any recipe. I
have done this many times for large groups in the course of my work as
a chef (I also teach mycology)In one of my mushroom guidebooks it noted the parboiling process for A.
Muscaria, but took pains to emphasize what I think it an important caveat:
Do NOT try this unless you know *exactly* what you're doing. I wouldn't
recommend that the novice or even the relatively knowledgeable amateur
attempt it. I would only feel confident in doing so after getting specific
instruction and training from an expert who'd done it many times before.
And I'd want to have the expert still on hand the first few times I tried
it, so as to note and correct any mistakes I might make. An unique mushroom
experience is not worth risking a trip to the hospital.
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Alex Rast
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As for A. muscaria: Yes, they are poisonous and also hallucinagenic,
causing both gastric upset and often very scary mental states.OTOH some find the states desireable. Also, technically they aren't really
poisonous - badly prepared, food wise or entheogen wise, they can induce
discomfort of course. However, you are going to be VERY hard pressed to
consume enough to kill yourself with - I believe there is one, substantiated
and recorded death due to A. muscaria ingestion. However, in my many, many
searches I have yet to actually *find* it, or any other for that matter. I
don't suppose you would have available a reference to this rare and unusual
case anywhere would you? If so, I'd be very pleased if you'd send it to me
I'm a mycophile and this mushroom is one I absolutely love for many reasons,
not least of which is its beauty! ',;~}~Quoted message said:
HOWEVER....they are easily made edible: clean, slice, drop into boiling
water and boil for 5 minutes. drain, rinse, and use in any recipe. I
have done this many times for large groups in the course of my work as
a chef (I also teach mycology)Ibotenic acid, which is present in the raw mushroom (and is also supposedly
one of the main discomfort causing substances present), actually has an age
old use as a flavour enhancer - the fresh mushroom, chopped and saueed, then
added to stews (etc.) in small amounts makes a helluvah improvement in
flavour. About 1 tbsp. chopped mushroom/4 servings.Shaun aRe
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"lavenderblue" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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As for A. muscaria: Yes, they are poisonous and also hallucinagenic,
causing both gastric upset and often very scary mental states.OTOH some find the states desireable. Also, technically they aren't really
poisonous - badly prepared, food wise or entheogen wise, they can induce
discomfort of course. However, you are going to be VERY hard pressed to
consume enough to kill yourself with - I believe there is one,
substantiated and recorded death due to A. muscaria ingestion. However, in
my many, many searches I have yet to actually *find* it, or any other for
that matter. I don't suppose you would have available a reference to this
rare and unusual case anywhere would you? If so, I'd be very pleased if
you'd send it to me I'm a mycophile and this mushroom is one I absolutely
love for many reasons, not least of which is its beauty! ',;~}~Poison is defined as "A substance that causes injury, illness, or death,
especially by chemical means. " Technically, A. muscaria most certainly is
poisonous.--
Peter Aitken
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As for A. muscaria: Yes, they are poisonous and also hallucinagenic,
causing both gastric upset and often very scary mental states.OTOH some find the states desireable. Also, technically they aren't really
poisonous - badly prepared, food wise or entheogen wise, they can induce
discomfort of course.It's my understanding that some mushrooms cause so much liver damage that
although death may not come quickly, you'd better get in line for a
transplant, and quickly. Which would those be? -
"Doug Kanter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"lavenderblue" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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As for A. muscaria: Yes, they are poisonous and also hallucinagenic,
causing both gastric upset and often very scary mental states.OTOH some find the states desireable. Also, technically they aren't
really poisonous - badly prepared, food wise or entheogen wise, they can
induce discomfort of course.It's my understanding that some mushrooms cause so much liver damage that
although death may not come quickly, you'd better get in line for a
transplant, and quickly. Which would those be?The deadliest amanitas, I forget the species names. The problem is
exacerbated by the fact that by the time you have any symptoms it is too
late.--
Peter Aitken -
The deadly amanitas, correct; they are A. phalloides (death cap) and A.
ocreata (destroying angel) . Also Galerina autumnalis (deadly galerina)
which, though small and non-descript, takes out a few people every year
who are looking for 'magic' mushrooms and don't know what they are
doing, some lepiotas, etc. These mushrooms contain a number of
amatoxins, which within 12 hours will make you very sick, and then, as
the toxin quietly works on your liver and kidneys, you seem to be
getting better. A day or several days later you collapse w/ liver and
kidney failure. Fatalities run around 50 %. The good news is that if
you are interested in mushrooms you can learn to distinguish good
edible mushrooms from poisonous ones. -
"lavenderblue" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The deadly amanitas, correct; they are A. phalloides (death cap) and A.
ocreata (destroying angel) . Also Galerina autumnalis (deadly galerina)
which, though small and non-descript, takes out a few people every year
who are looking for 'magic' mushrooms and don't know what they are
doing, some lepiotas, etc. These mushrooms contain a number of
amatoxins, which within 12 hours will make you very sick, and then, as
the toxin quietly works on your liver and kidneys, you seem to be
getting better. A day or several days later you collapse w/ liver and
kidney failure. Fatalities run around 50 %. The good news is that if
you are interested in mushrooms you can learn to distinguish good
edible mushrooms from poisonous ones.I'm interested, but I have it figured out. The ones in the store are OK. The
ones outside the store are not. :-) -
Peter Aitken said:
"Doug Kanter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Shaun aRe" <[email hidden]> wrote
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"lavenderblue" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...> As for A. muscaria: Yes, they are poisonous and also hallucinagenic,
> causing both gastric upset and often very scary mental states.OTOH some find the states desireable. Also, technically they aren't
really poisonous - badly prepared, food wise or entheogen wise, they can
induce discomfort of course.It's my understanding that some mushrooms cause so much liver damage that
although death may not come quickly, you'd better get in line for a
transplant, and quickly. Which would those be?The deadliest amanitas, I forget the species names. The problem is
exacerbated by the fact that by the time you have any symptoms it is too
late.Amanita virosa
and
amanita phalloides.Eat them, get ready for the box, suffer badly before you get there.
Hayabusa
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On 14 Feb 2006 08:10:34 -0800, "lavenderblue" <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
The deadly amanitas, correct; they are A. phalloides (death cap) and A.
ocreata (destroying angel) . Also Galerina autumnalis (deadly galerina)
which, though small and non-descript, takes out a few people every year
who are looking for 'magic' mushrooms and don't know what they are
doing, some lepiotas, etc. These mushrooms contain a number of
amatoxins, which within 12 hours will make you very sick, and then, as
the toxin quietly works on your liver and kidneys, you seem to be
getting better. A day or several days later you collapse w/ liver and
kidney failure. Fatalities run around 50 %. The good news is that if
you are interested in mushrooms you can learn to distinguish good
edible mushrooms from poisonous ones.Does A.ocreata have another name? I have a book with 1200 shrooms,
including 24 amanitas, but this one is not among them.I love wild mushrooms, collect lots of them, think I never ate one I
had not positively identified, with lots of thumbing through books if
necessary.Hayabusa, posting from Germany
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Hayabusa said:
Peter Aitken said:
"Doug Kanter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Shaun aRe" <[email hidden]> wrote
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> "lavenderblue" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> As for A. muscaria: Yes, they are poisonous and also hallucinagenic,
>> causing both gastric upset and often very scary mental states.
>
> OTOH some find the states desireable. Also, technically they aren't
> really poisonous - badly prepared, food wise or entheogen wise, they can
> induce discomfort of course.It's my understanding that some mushrooms cause so much liver damage that
although death may not come quickly, you'd better get in line for a
transplant, and quickly. Which would those be?The deadliest amanitas, I forget the species names. The problem is
exacerbated by the fact that by the time you have any symptoms it is too
late.Amanita virosa
and
amanita phalloides.Eat them, get ready for the box, suffer badly before you get there.
Hayabusa
Can I crosspost this to alt.suicide.methods? ;-)
And yes, it's a real group...
and has a very high turnover.
--
Peace, Om."My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson
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I've seen it listed as A. bivolvata. its the one they called distroying
angel. -
On 16 Feb 2006 08:27:19 -0800, "lavenderblue" <[email hidden]>
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I've seen it listed as A. bivolvata. its the one they called distroying
angel.TX. I googled around for a while. Could not find a ref in the net for
A.ocreata that was from Europe, all from US West Coast. This is
somewhat strange, because most mushrooms I know of occur worldwide,
but - hell, so you have poisonous oak, you also have Destroying Angel!
But apparently we don't. We still have to be content with A.
phalloides in order to dispatch our rich aunt. (Still, it works ...)Hayabusa
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"lavenderblue" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
The deadly amanitas, correct; they are A. phalloides (death cap) and A.
ocreata (destroying angel) . Also Galerina autumnalis (deadly galerina)
which, though small and non-descript, takes out a few people every year
who are looking for 'magic' mushrooms and don't know what they are
doing, some lepiotas, etc. These mushrooms contain a number of
amatoxins, which within 12 hours will make you very sick, and then, as
the toxin quietly works on your liver and kidneys, you seem to be
getting better. A day or several days later you collapse w/ liver and
kidney failure. Fatalities run around 50 %. The good news is that if
you are interested in mushrooms you can learn to distinguish good
edible mushrooms from poisonous ones.I just sent for a [censored] mushroom grow kit for my hubby who just loves
mushrooms!Can't wait to start getting fresh mushrooms.
I do wish I could get a portabella mushroom kit.
MoM
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"MoM" <[email hidden]> wrote
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I do wish I could get a portabella mushroom kit.
Is there a crimini mushroom kit?
nancy
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"MoM" <[email hidden]>>
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I do wish I could get a portabella mushroom kit.
MoM
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Portobello mushrooms are the same as other store mushrooms (agaricus
bisporus) They are a large strain that is grown until the cap is fully
expanded, and then lots of money is charged....you can get a kit to
grow 'regular store' mushrooms and just not harvest them until they
mature and expand their caps. They will be smaller than portobello but
taste exactly the same.
regards, lavenderblue
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