Glass bakeware vs. Dutch Oven

On Mon 30 Jan 2006 06:25:03a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Stark?

Quoted message said:

What's the deal here? I've got one of those glass Vision oval roasters
which I occasionally use for braising when the roast won't fit my Dutch
Oven. Using time and temp for a Dutch Oven, this glass thang cooks the
roast in half the time, defeating the whole purpose of slow cooking.
But once cooked that fast, even the toughest roasts, chuck and round,
are fork-tender, maybe a little over-done, but good.

So is there a formula for reducing the temp when braising in glass?

A general rule of thumb for glass bakeware is to reduce the temperature by 25
degrees F. compared to one made of metal. With braising meat, I would
probably even consider a reduction of as much as 50 degrees F.

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Wayne Boatwright o¿o
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Wayne Boatwright said:

On Mon 30 Jan 2006 06:25:03a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Stark?

Quoted message said:

What's the deal here? I've got one of those glass Vision oval roasters
which I occasionally use for braising when the roast won't fit my Dutch
Oven. Using time and temp for a Dutch Oven, this glass thang cooks the
roast in half the time,

I don't believe you.

Quoted message said:

A general rule of thumb for glass bakeware is to reduce the temperature by 25
degrees F. compared to one made of metal. With braising meat, I would
probably even consider a reduction of as much as 50 degrees F.

Nonsense... baking and braising are two totally different cooking
methods. Braising entails cooking *in liquid in a covered vessel at a
relatively low temperature*, whereas no temperature/time compensation
is made regardless of cookware material, whether it be metal,
ceramic/glass, or a combination thereof.... with braising the liquid
controls the temperature and the lid keeps the liquid from escaping.

Most people oven braise at much too high a temperature, whereas the
liquid escapes, giving a false impression that high temperature has
reduced cooking time, well it has, only the result of what's being
cooked is much different... more closely resembling something cooked
without a lid at too high a temperature, whereas those people know it's
done when the smoke detector goes off.

Baking is done at relatively *high temperatures, in an open vessel,
without liquid*... and since glass is a poor conductor there's a time
lag between vessel temperature and that which is being baked, because
the vessel temperature remains too cold too long at the onset but then
once finally reaching temperature continues to rise as the liquid
contained in that which is being baked diminishes, so oven temperature
must be reduced to prevent that which is being baked from overbaking on
its exterior before developing a fully baked interior. Real bakers
never use glass bakeware, because glass bakeware is simply not
temperature reactive/sensitive enough for proper baking to occur.
Glass insulates too well at the onset and then becomes too hot at the
end... glass is a hindrence to even baking... typically the top of a
cake will burn before its bottom and sides even become warm... lowering
the oven temperature is really not the answer, not unless you enjoy
stewed cake. Lowering the temperature for baking in glass is a
compromise, albiet a poor one... its results in no way approaches that
which is baked in proper metal bakeware. The only advantage I can
figure out to using glass/ceramic bakeware is that it looks nicer then
metal bakeware, but unlike yoose I don't eat bakeware.

Sheldon

In article <[email hidden]>,

Sheldon said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Mon 30 Jan 2006 06:25:03a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Stark?

Quoted message said:

What's the deal here? I've got one of those glass Vision oval roasters
which I occasionally use for braising when the roast won't fit my Dutch
Oven. Using time and temp for a Dutch Oven, this glass thang cooks the
roast in half the time,

I don't believe you.

Well I don't either, but it's happened, a half dozen times over the
past years. Braising chuck, round and eye of round at 325 for 3 to 4
hours, the roast is fork-tender, well-done in 2. Dutch ovened or
tightly wrapped in foil, roast takes recommended 3 to 4 hours depending
on size.

Stark said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Sheldon said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Mon 30 Jan 2006 06:25:03a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Stark?

> What's the deal here? I've got one of those glass Vision oval roasters
> which I occasionally use for braising when the roast won't fit my Dutch
> Oven. Using time and temp for a Dutch Oven, this glass thang cooks the
> roast in half the time,

I don't believe you.

Well I don't either, but it's happened, a half dozen times over the
past years. Braising chuck, round and eye of round at 325 for 3 to 4
hours, the roast is fork-tender, well-done in 2. Dutch ovened or
tightly wrapped in foil, roast takes recommended 3 to 4 hours depending
on size.

That's not very clear as to what occured.

Only way to test accurately is to use both types of cookware containing
the exact same ingredients in the same oven at the same time. Relying
on memory over long periods as to what was done and what occured is
highly suspect. What were you drinking and how much... in the time it
takes to braise I can get stewed... that's how I learned that
braised/stewed dishes taste best the next day.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Sheldon said:

Stark said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Sheldon said:

I don't believe you.

Well I don't either, but it's happened, a half dozen times over the
past years. Braising chuck, round and eye of round at 325 for 3 to 4
hours, the roast is fork-tender, well-done in 2. Dutch ovened or
tightly wrapped in foil, roast takes recommended 3 to 4 hours depending
on size.

That's not very clear as to what occured.

Only way to test accurately is to use both types of cookware containing
the exact same ingredients in the same oven at the same time. Relying
on memory over long periods as to what was done and what occured is
highly suspect. What were you drinking and how much... in the time it
takes to braise I can get stewed... that's how I learned that
braised/stewed dishes taste best the next day.

Plymouth gin.