surviving prolonged stress...

In article <[email hidden]>,

M Dunne said:

Can I ask the good people hereabouts if they can please tell a newbie what
are the major bad effects of a period of prolonged stress and anxiety (job /
money / debt / home, etc) of the kind that has one permanently worried and
with a high heart rate, unable to sleep, etc, over a period of several
weeks?

I'm in just such a state at the moment, and I'd like to know what it's going
to be doing to me.

Also: can anyone suggest what I ought to do to my supplement intake to help
minimise these effects....? Lots of B vitamins? More antioxidants?

Will vigorous exercise be a help?

Thanks for all info!

Marcus

Heavy weight lifting.

Or,

Vodka.

;-)

And get some damned sleep!
Sub-lingual Melatonin has helped me a lot.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

long-term stress probably caused my chronic fatigue syndrome but it took a
good few years. stress depletes lots of vitamins and minerals, but one thing
I think gets overlooked is amino acids. that is, part of the function of the
endocrine system is that it takes protein stored in the body and breaks it
down into amino acids. overstimulation of the endocrine system may result in
your body facing a shortage of amino acids too. therefore, if you're going
to supplement, apart from the general mutlivit/mineral (one that emphasises
on B vitamins), you might want to consider an amino acid supplement.
other than that, one thing I was taking (am trying other supplements at the
moment but will probably go back to that) that I felt helped build up my
stress resistance was Rhodiola Rosea:
http://www.solgar.co.uk/modules/shop/view.asp?catid=28&Prodcode=E4139&qty=20457

"M Dunne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Can I ask the good people hereabouts if they can please tell a newbie what
are the major bad effects of a period of prolonged stress and anxiety (job
/ money / debt / home, etc) of the kind that has one permanently worried
and with a high heart rate, unable to sleep, etc, over a period of several
weeks?

I'm in just such a state at the moment, and I'd like to know what it's
going to be doing to me.

Also: can anyone suggest what I ought to do to my supplement intake to
help minimise these effects....? Lots of B vitamins? More antioxidants?

Will vigorous exercise be a help?

Thanks for all info!

Marcus

M Dunne said:

Can I ask the good people hereabouts if they can please tell a newbie what
are the major bad effects of a period of prolonged stress and anxiety (job /
money / debt / home, etc) of the kind that has one permanently worried and
with a high heart rate, unable to sleep, etc, over a period of several
weeks?

In the worst case scenario, excess will rot your brain.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12893096
"Stress promotes adaptation ("allostasis"😉, but a perturbed diurnal
rhythm or failed shutoff of mediators after stress ("allostatic state"😉
leads, over time, to wear and tear on the body ("allostatic load"😉.
Neural changes mirror the pattern seen in the cardiovascular,
metabolic, and immune systems, that is, short-term adaptation versus
long-term damage. Allostatic load leads to impaired immunity,
atherosclerosis, obesity, bone demineralization, and atrophy of nerve
cells in brain. Allostatic load is seen in major depressive illness and
may also be expressed in other chronic anxiety disorders such as PTSD
and should be documented."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=10202566

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15576059

Quoted message said:

Will vigorous exercise be a help?

yes
--
john gohde
http://naturalhealthperspective.com

M Dunne said:

Can I ask the good people hereabouts if they can please tell a newbie what
are the major bad effects of a period of prolonged stress and anxiety (job /
money / debt / home, etc) of the kind that has one permanently worried and
with a high heart rate, unable to sleep, etc, over a period of several
weeks?

In the worst case scenario, excess stress will rot your brain.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12893096
"Stress promotes adaptation ("allostasis"😉, but a perturbed diurnal
rhythm or failed shutoff of mediators after stress ("allostatic state"😉
leads, over time, to wear and tear on the body ("allostatic load"😉.
Neural changes mirror the pattern seen in the cardiovascular,
metabolic, and immune systems, that is, short-term adaptation versus
long-term damage. Allostatic load leads to impaired immunity,
atherosclerosis, obesity, bone demineralization, and atrophy of nerve
cells in brain. Allostatic load is seen in major depressive illness and
may also be expressed in other chronic anxiety disorders such as PTSD
and should be documented."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=10202566

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15576059

Quoted message said:

Will vigorous exercise be a help?

yes
--
john gohde
http://naturalhealthperspective.com

It will deplete you of important vitamins and eventually you will
suffer from anxiety/depression and your immune system will be
compromised. You will be more susceptible to infectious disease.

Two B vitamin stress complex each morning with food (for anxiety). 1000
mg vitamin C three to four times a day (anxiety and immune system). Cod
liver oil would be a good idea (anxiety and immune syatem). Eat
properly and at appropriate times thruout the day. Avoid junk foods,
especially with added sugars. Eat real foods like real chicken soup and
real bone broth soups. Try to get enough sleep and rest. Walk or get
out and get some exercise and fresh air. Cut out caffenated products.
Drink enough of water.

This will help you cope with the stress and keep you healthy enough to
handle things and get you thru the day.

TC

M Dunne said:

Can I ask the good people hereabouts if they can please tell a newbie what
are the major bad effects of a period of prolonged stress and anxiety (job /
money / debt / home, etc) of the kind that has one permanently worried and
with a high heart rate, unable to sleep, etc, over a period of several
weeks?

I'm in just such a state at the moment, and I'd like to know what it's going
to be doing to me.

Also: can anyone suggest what I ought to do to my supplement intake to help
minimise these effects....? Lots of B vitamins? More antioxidants?

Will vigorous exercise be a help?

Thanks for all info!

Marcus

"IanW" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

long-term stress probably caused my chronic fatigue syndrome but it
took a good few years. stress depletes lots of vitamins and minerals,
but one thing I think gets overlooked is amino acids. that is, part of
the function of the endocrine system is that it takes protein stored
in the body and breaks it down into amino acids. overstimulation of
the endocrine system may result in your body facing a shortage of
amino acids too. therefore, if you're going to supplement, apart from
the general mutlivit/mineral (one that emphasises on B vitamins), you
might want to consider an amino acid supplement. other than that, one
thing I was taking (am trying other supplements at the moment but will
probably go back to that) that I felt helped build up my stress
resistance was Rhodiola Rosea:
http://www.solgar.co.uk/modules/shop/view.asp?catid=28&Prodcode=E4139&q
ty=20457

I have to agree with all these points. CFS is unfortunately where prolonged
stress ends. Vitamins, antioxidants, whey protein and adaptogenics like
Rhodiola are highly recommended.

SDer said:

I have to agree with all these points. CFS is unfortunately where prolonged
stress ends. Vitamins, antioxidants, whey protein and adaptogenics like
Rhodiola are highly recommended.

Well, I certainly do NOT.

CFS certainly is not the end result of stress. If anything the end
result of chronic stress is chronic anxiety and/or depression.

You are dreaming if you think that popping vitamin pills is going to
solve the stress problem.

The mind-body connection is the modern way of dealing with modern
stress.

History
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/history-mind-body-connection.html
In the history file, you will see the prominent historical figures
involved in the treatment of stress.

And, here is a general web page on the subject.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/resilience/mind-body-connection.html

Beyond exercise, the Wellness Movement offers many constructive
approaches to treating stress.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/gnu-dictionary/Wellness.html

Treating stress with vitamin B, etc. ranks at the very bottom of the
list of effective treatments, IMHO.
--
john gohde
http://naturalhealthperspective.com

"Mr-Natural-Health" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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SDer said:

I have to agree with all these points. CFS is unfortunately where
prolonged
stress ends. Vitamins, antioxidants, whey protein and adaptogenics like
Rhodiola are highly recommended.

Well, I certainly do NOT.

CFS certainly is not the end result of stress.

That depends on how literally you take that statement. CFS seems to be
caused by different things for different people but *for some* it is stress
that is the main trigger.. For me it came on after a really intense 12
months of emotional stress. Of course, the condition itself is a very
physical problem - it's like stretching an elastic band - you can stretch it
a myriad of times and it will return to it's proper shape but if you stretch
it too far and it breaks then it will require more than just sorting out the
stress to fix it. In my case my mitochondria don't generate energy as there
appears to be some blockage getting ATP in and out of the cells.

Quoted message said:

If anything the end
result of chronic stress is chronic anxiety and/or depression.

You are dreaming if you think that popping vitamin pills is going to
solve the stress problem.

no-one suggested that it would - getting rid of the source of the stress
would be better, but supplements do help deal with some of the physical
depletions associated with it.

Ian

I'll skip what's been mentioned.

Stress elevates cortisol (which can impair memory). It affects the
sleep cycle via orexin neurons. It enhances your appetite for sugar and
fat.

All nice things when a lion is trying to knaw on your leg. Bad when
chronic. You can actually run out of cortisol and suffer "adrenal
exhaustion."

Some helpful things:

Meditation.

No alcohol.

Low glycemic index/ketogenic diet/calorie restriction/intermittent
fasting or other dietary intervention

beta-endorphin agonists (e.g., DHEA - though OD'ing on it will cause
anxiety; sex; exercise)

nitric oxide releasers (hot bath, arginine + folate, estrogen, green tea)

SSRIs

In article <[email hidden]>,

Kofi said:

beta-endorphin agonists (e.g., DHEA - though OD'ing on it will cause
anxiety)

Been there, done that. ;-)
It's awful.......

Fortunately, I realized what I'd done and stopped it.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

My thanks to IanW, SDer, and Kofi for their advice! Much appreciated,
people!!

:-)

Marcus

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In my case my mitochondria don't generate energy as there appears to be
some blockage getting ATP in and out of the cells.

I meant "dont generate enough energy" there!

In article <[email hidden]>,

IanW said:

"IanW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In my case my mitochondria don't generate energy as there appears to be
some blockage getting ATP in and out of the cells.

I meant "dont generate enough energy" there!

Short circuit the mitochondria...

DNP.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Kofi <[email hidden]> wrote in news:kofi-C5F16A.09550801022006
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Quoted message said:

I'll skip what's been mentioned.

Stress elevates cortisol (which can impair memory). It affects the
sleep cycle via orexin neurons. It enhances your appetite for sugar

and

Quoted message said:

fat.

All nice things when a lion is trying to knaw on your leg. Bad when
chronic. You can actually run out of cortisol and suffer "adrenal
exhaustion."

Some helpful things:

Meditation.

No alcohol.

Low glycemic index/ketogenic diet/calorie restriction/intermittent
fasting or other dietary intervention

Indeed, eliminating sugar and alcohol helps a lot. However, I believe a
small glass of red wine with dinner can be beneficial and calming.

Quoted message said:

beta-endorphin agonists (e.g., DHEA - though OD'ing on it will cause
anxiety; sex; exercise)

nitric oxide releasers (hot bath, arginine + folate, estrogen, green

tea)

Are you sure about arginine? I have read it can have a bad effect on CFS,
though I have not been able to find solid evidence for it or against it.

Quoted message said:

SSRIs

"M Dunne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Can I ask the good people hereabouts if they can please tell a newbie what
are the major bad effects of a period of prolonged stress and anxiety (job /
money / debt / home, etc) of the kind that has one permanently worried and
with a high heart rate, unable to sleep, etc, over a period of several
weeks?

I'm in just such a state at the moment, and I'd like to know what it's going
to be doing to me.

Also: can anyone suggest what I ought to do to my supplement intake to help
minimise these effects....? Lots of B vitamins? More antioxidants?

Will vigorous exercise be a help?

Thanks for all info!

Marcus

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/sex/mg18925365.500

"M Dunne" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:E8FDf.66214$zt1.53488@newsfe5-
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Will vigorous exercise be a help?

BTW, vigorous exercise till exhaustion doesn't sound a good idea. Mild
exercise within sensible limits, on the other hand, is a good idea.

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"M Dunne" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:E8FDf.66214$zt1.53488@newsfe5-
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Will vigorous exercise be a help?

BTW, vigorous exercise till exhaustion doesn't sound a good idea. Mild
exercise within sensible limits, on the other hand, is a good idea.

Thanks for this!

M.

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"IanW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In my case my mitochondria don't generate energy as there appears to
be some blockage getting ATP in and out of the cells.

I meant "dont generate enough energy" there!

How does one measure the amount of ATP getting in and out of the cells,
and the amount of energy being generated by the mitochondria?

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There are significant biological changes that take place in the body in
times of stress. And extended periods of stress can cause destructive
changes in the body such as depression and a suppressed immune system,
which can lead to heart disease, cancer, and stroke. So if you are
feeling stressed out, its time to get some relief.

Stress is all around us. It's an inevitable and normal part of our
daily lives
The body is flooded with stress hormones, making the heart pump faster,
the breathing rate increase, and the muscles tense up. This is the
body's way of gearing up for imminent physical activity.

There are various stress management techniques that can reduce the
effects that stress takes on your life. The most important thing you
can do to prevent stress from negatively affecting you is to learn how
to recognize stress and the triggers that set you off. Also, avoiding
substances such as alcohol, drugs, and nicotine will help the body
remain better prepared to handle stress.

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