"WHAT HAPPENS IF BRITISH POULTRY ARE INFECTED? Movement of animals, litter and vehicles from the infected farm or premises would be prohibited and the premises and its vehicles cleaned and disinfected. Birds that are diseased, suspected of being diseased or which have been exposed to infection would be slaughtered. Eggs would also be destroyed. A 3km bio secure "protection zone" would be set up around the infected premises for at least 21 days. Any people or vehicles going in or out of the zone would have to be disinfected first. A wider 10km "surveillance zone" would also be set up, within which vets would visit those keeping birds and search for signs of bird flu. This zone would remain for at least 30 days. Within it, movement of eggs and birds would be restricted. Poultry would have to be kept within their living quarters and markets, fairs and shows banned."
Sounds familiar ? Although it's not stated explicitly, my guess is these measures will go hand-in-hand with draconian footpath closures and other access restrictions across the whole country. Except this time maybe they'll promote it as being "for our own protection".
But maybe I'm just being paranoid. Anyone else think we're headed for another summer banned from the hills ?
Sounds familiar ? Although it's not stated explicitly, my guess is these measures will go hand-in-hand with draconian footpath closures and other access restrictions across the whole country. Except this time maybe they'll promote it as being "for our own protection".
But maybe I'm just being paranoid. Anyone else think we're headed for another summer banned from the hills ?
Prolly not - all birds will have to be kept indoors, so the footpaths won't be criss-crossing the fields they're kept in. Surprised at the disinfection for people going out of the affected areas.
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:59:18 +0000, Tim Day <[email hidden]> wrote:
|Browsing around the Beeb's bird flu stories, I came across this: | |(at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4602144.stm ) | |"WHAT HAPPENS IF BRITISH POULTRY ARE INFECTED?
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Very little will happen. The F&M situation was an extreme overreaction/balls up by the government. Hopefully they will get it right this time. -- Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk> Freedom of Speech, Expression, Religion, and Democracy are the keys to Civilization, together with legal acceptance of Fundamental Human rights.
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:27:23 GMT, Mark Thompson <pleasegivegenerously@warmmail*_turn_up_the_heat_to_reply*.com> wrote:
|> Sounds familiar ? Although it's not stated explicitly, my guess is |> these measures will go hand-in-hand with draconian footpath closures |> and other access restrictions across the whole country. Except this |> time maybe they'll promote it as being "for our own protection". |> |> But maybe I'm just being paranoid. Anyone else think we're headed for |> another summer banned from the hills ? | |Prolly not - all birds will have to be kept indoors, so the footpaths won't |be criss-crossing the fields they're kept in. Surprised at the |disinfection for people going out of the affected areas.
In the F&M time, I followed the rules to the *letter*, and drove round the Yorkshire Dales without problems, except driving over a few disinfecting mats. -- Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk> Freedom of Speech, Expression, Religion, and Democracy are the keys to Civilization, together with legal acceptance of Fundamental Human rights.
This government doesn't understand the first thing about the countryside or farming. There's no chance they'll get it right. Sooner or later we'll be told that "Tony is in charge", then we'll all be in trouble.
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On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:59:18 +0000, Tim Day <[email hidden]> wrote:
|Browsing around the Beeb's bird flu stories, I came across this: | |(at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4602144.stm ) | |"WHAT HAPPENS IF BRITISH POULTRY ARE INFECTED?
Watch BBC News, BBC News 24. Radio 4 News
Very little will happen. The F&M situation was an extreme overreaction/balls up by the government. Hopefully they will get it right this time. -- Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk> Freedom of Speech, Expression, Religion, and Democracy are the keys to Civilization, together with legal acceptance of Fundamental Human rights.
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On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:59:18 +0000, Tim Day <[email hidden]> wrote:
|Browsing around the Beeb's bird flu stories, I came across this: | |(at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4602144.stm ) | |"WHAT HAPPENS IF BRITISH POULTRY ARE INFECTED?
Watch BBC News, BBC News 24. Radio 4 News
Very little will happen. The F&M situation was an extreme overreaction/balls up by the government. Hopefully they will get it right this time.
Surely a very big difference is the massive amount of sheep and cattle movement that was taking place at the time of F&M which spread it rapidly all across the country, e.g. from Carlisle market to Cornwall in a day or so.
I doubt that live poultry is shipped around to quite the same extent and would hope that a ban on movement would be implemented early enough, coupled with keeping birds inside in areas where they might meet wild waterfowl.
Surely a very big difference is the massive amount of sheep and cattle movement that was taking place at the time of F&M which spread it rapidly all across the country, e.g. from Carlisle market to Cornwall in a day or so.
Coupled with the head start it had before we detected it.
"WHAT HAPPENS IF BRITISH POULTRY ARE INFECTED? Movement of animals, litter and vehicles from the infected farm or premises would be prohibited and..
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But maybe I'm just being paranoid. Anyone else think we're headed for another summer banned from the hills ?
People are focused on big birds (swans) at the moment but how many small birds are infected that aren't spotted ? It wouldn't suprise me if birdflu was already present in Holland and the British Isles.
Sounds familiar ? Although it's not stated explicitly, my guess is these measures will go hand-in-hand with draconian footpath closures and other access restrictions across the whole country. Except this time maybe they'll promote it as being "for our own protection".
All well and good, but what about all the birds that gather in city centres?
Or are those birds being advised to stay in the country!
-- Sandy Saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk
'Mountains or Mole Hills ..... summiting still brings the same excitement'
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Sounds familiar ? Although it's not stated explicitly, my guess is these measures will go hand-in-hand with draconian footpath closures and other access restrictions across the whole country. Except this time maybe they'll promote it as being "for our own protection".
All well and good, but what about all the birds that gather in city centres?
Or are those birds being advised to stay in the country!
They go to the drugstore to get some extra vitamin C :-)
In article <[email hidden]>, Mark Thompson <pleasegivegenerously@warmmail*_turn_up_the_heat_to_reply*.com> writes
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Prolly not - all birds will have to be kept indoors, so the footpaths won't be criss-crossing the fields they're kept in. Surprised at the disinfection for people going out of the affected areas.
Talking of disinfection of people !!..........
During the end of the F&M panic, we attended a dog show at Llanelwedd - the Royal Welsh Showground, and everyone had to drive through a puddle of disinfectant then get out of the car and paddle in a bath of the stuff. Good idea you might think, but once inside, most people got out of their cars and changed their shoes for wellies due to the sodden conditions. You've guessed it - the wellies were not disinfected.
All this performance caused an enormous tail back in the traffic through Builth -- Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk
Sounds familiar ? Although it's not stated explicitly, my guess is these measures will go hand-in-hand with draconian footpath closures and other access restrictions across the whole country. Except this time maybe they'll promote it as being "for our own protection".
All well and good, but what about all the birds that gather in city centres?
With a bit of luck it'll wipe out the flying rats, aka pigeons.
-- To reply see 'from' in headers; lose the domain, and insert dots and @ where common sense dictates.
Sounds familiar ? Although it's not stated explicitly, my guess is these measures will go hand-in-hand with draconian footpath closures and other access restrictions across the whole country. Except this time maybe they'll promote it as being "for our own protection".
All well and good, but what about all the birds that gather in city centres?
Or are those birds being advised to stay in the country!
I advocate a 100% cull of feral pigeons and Canada geese.
Ooops! Will that bring our friend Wots-a-name back into the group?.... -- Gordon Harris
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Sounds familiar ? Although it's not stated explicitly, my guess is these measures will go hand-in-hand with draconian footpath closures and other access restrictions across the whole country. Except this time maybe they'll promote it as being "for our own protection".
All well and good, but what about all the birds that gather in city centres?
Or are those birds being advised to stay in the country!
I advocate a 100% cull of feral pigeons and Canada geese.
Ooops! Will that bring our friend Wots-a-name back into the group?....
I doubt it. He's currently getting his knickers in a twist over the proposals to cull grey squirrels!
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Sounds familiar ? Although it's not stated explicitly, my guess is these measures will go hand-in-hand with draconian footpath closures and other access restrictions across the whole country. Except this time maybe they'll promote it as being "for our own protection".
All well and good, but what about all the birds that gather in city centres?
With a bit of luck it'll wipe out the flying rats, aka pigeons.
I'd have thought that we will all be in trouble if it gets into the feral pigeon population. Most folk in the UK don't come into close contact with wildfowl, and with domestic poultry only when it's on their plates, so the chances of transmission to humans from fowl and poultry seems pretty low. On the other hand, most towns and cities host large flocks of feral pigeons in quite close proximity to large flocks of people. Transmission to humans would then only be a matter of time, IMO.
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>All well and good, but what about all the birds that gather in city centres? > >Or are those birds being advised to stay in the country! > I advocate a 100% cull of feral pigeons and Canada geese.
Ooops! Will that bring our friend Wots-a-name back into the group?....
I doubt it. He's currently getting his knickers in a twist over the proposals to cull grey squirrels!
Solve the problem tell him that grey squirrels are harbingers of Avian flu problem solved
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>All well and good, but what about all the birds that gather in city >centres? > >Or are those birds being advised to stay in the country! > I advocate a 100% cull of feral pigeons and Canada geese.
Ooops! Will that bring our friend Wots-a-name back into the group?....
I doubt it. He's currently getting his knickers in a twist over the proposals to cull grey squirrels!
Solve the problem tell him that grey squirrels are harbingers of Avian flu problem solved
Might as well! They take the blame for everything else! Without proof.
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:59:18 +0000, Tim Day <[email hidden]> wrote:
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|Browsing around the Beeb's bird flu stories, I came across this: | |(at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4602144.stm ) | |"WHAT HAPPENS IF BRITISH POULTRY ARE INFECTED?
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Watch BBC News, BBC News 24. Radio 4 News
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Very little will happen. The F&M situation was an extreme overreaction/balls up by the government. Hopefully they will get it right this time.
I don't think they've shown any evidence of being able to learn from experience, have they?
-- Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
