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  1. After all the excitement of voting for the best town/city in the UK, how
    about voting for your favourite national parks?

    This time the rules aren't so vague. There are no criteria this time, you
    can vote for any reasons you wish, simply pick the ones you like best.

    A. You can vote for three parks, in order. The park you put in first place
    will get 3 points, second place will get 2 points, and third place will get
    1 point.

    B. There is a strictly defined list to choose from, so no arguments about
    what is or isn't a national park. There are 15 parks in the list. There
    are 14 official parks plus 1 proposed park (South Downs) so it may as well
    be included. You can use the abbreviations for simplicity.
    http://www.nationalparks.gov.uk/index/p_sitemap.htm

    NATIONAL PARK LIST
    DM Dartmoor
    EX Exmoor
    NF New Forest
    SD South Downs
    TB The Broads
    PD Peak District
    YD Yorkshire Dales
    NY North York Moors
    LD Lake District
    NL Northumberland
    BB Brecon Beacons
    PC Pembrokeshire Coast
    SN Snowdonia
    LL Loch Lomond & the Trossachs
    CG Cairngorms

    I'll start with a blatantly biased vote;

    1. SN - best mountains in Wales
    2. BB - second best mountains in Wales
    3. PC - it's in Wales! ;-) (seriously though, the coastal scenery is
    excellent)

    Personally I've restricted my choice to parks that I've actually visited,
    which limits the list to only 9 parks for me. What a surprise that the
    three Welsh parks came out on top eh?

    Paul

  2. Paul Saunders wrote

    Quoted message said:

    After all the excitement of voting for the best town/city in the UK

    Steady Paul, you don't want to overstimulate us. We'll be wanting crisps
    and fizzy pop next, and there'll be tears before bedtime.

    Quoted message said:

    how about voting for your favourite national parks?

    OK, but can I place a bet on the Lake District coming out top? In fact,
    I'll assist the process, whilst bemoaning the exclusion of Assynt from the
    list.

    LD
    CG
    PC

    There, an early vote this time. Can I also suggest that from the list
    people vote for their least favourite national park too? The results might
    be interesting. My vote? NF.

    T.

  3. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
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    Quoted message said:

    After all the excitement of voting for the best town/city in the UK, how
    about voting for your favourite national parks?

    This time the rules aren't so vague. There are no criteria this time, you
    can vote for any reasons you wish, simply pick the ones you like best.

    A. You can vote for three parks, in order. The park you put in first
    place will get 3 points, second place will get 2 points, and third place
    will get 1 point.

    B. There is a strictly defined list to choose from, so no arguments about
    what is or isn't a national park. There are 15 parks in the list. There
    are 14 official parks plus 1 proposed park (South Downs) so it may as well
    be included. You can use the abbreviations for simplicity.
    http://www.nationalparks.gov.uk/index/p_sitemap.htm

    1. LL
    2. LD
    3. CG

    --
    "Beannachd leibh"

    Theo
    www.theosphotos.fotopic.net

  4. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    NATIONAL PARK LIST
    DM Dartmoor
    EX Exmoor
    NF New Forest
    SD South Downs
    TB The Broads
    PD Peak District
    YD Yorkshire Dales
    NY North York Moors
    LD Lake District
    NL Northumberland
    BB Brecon Beacons
    PC Pembrokeshire Coast
    SN Snowdonia
    LL Loch Lomond & the Trossachs
    CG Cairngorms

    Largely, I agree with Pete Clinch et al, especially where Scotland is
    concerned (or say the Cambrian Mountains in central Wales if you want
    something very relevant to you).

    However, my vote (of the parks I have been to would be):

    1) SN
    2) CG
    3) BB

    I would love to include the LL area, but I was really disappointed with it
    when visiting. It did not seem like a national park with an identity (cf
    nearly all the English / Welsh ones), but just a big area that was
    artificially made into a single group. The best argument I can think of in
    support of Pete from the included parks list.

    The only other ones I considered were LD, PD, DM, SD, NF as I have not spent
    enough time in the others to have a real feel for them.

  5. Message-ID: <[email hidden]> from Paul Saunders
    contained the following:

    Quoted message said:

    After all the excitement of voting for the best town/city in the UK, how
    about voting for your favourite national parks?

    Any one wanting to carry out a quick poll might like to have a play with
    my poll software.

    http://www.ckdog.co.uk/poll/test.php?poll_id=49
    gives you the idea.

    Should be easy enough to work out.

    --
    Geoff Berrow (put thecat out to email)
    It's only Usenet, no one dies.
    My opinions, not the committee's, mine.
    Simple RFDs http://www.ckdog.co.uk/rfdmaker/

  6. Paul Saunders said:

    After all the excitement of voting for the best town/city in the UK, how
    about voting for your favourite national parks?

    This time the rules aren't so vague. There are no criteria this time, you
    can vote for any reasons you wish, simply pick the ones you like best.

    A. You can vote for three parks, in order. The park you put in first place
    will get 3 points, second place will get 2 points, and third place will get
    1 point.

    B. There is a strictly defined list to choose from, so no arguments about
    what is or isn't a national park. There are 15 parks in the list. There
    are 14 official parks plus 1 proposed park (South Downs) so it may as well
    be included. You can use the abbreviations for simplicity.
    http://www.nationalparks.gov.uk/index/p_sitemap.htm

    NATIONAL PARK LIST
    DM Dartmoor
    EX Exmoor
    NF New Forest
    SD South Downs
    TB The Broads
    PD Peak District
    YD Yorkshire Dales
    NY North York Moors
    LD Lake District
    NL Northumberland
    BB Brecon Beacons
    PC Pembrokeshire Coast
    SN Snowdonia
    LL Loch Lomond & the Trossachs
    CG Cairngorms

    I'll start with a blatantly biased vote;

    1. SN - best mountains in Wales
    2. BB - second best mountains in Wales
    3. PC - it's in Wales! ;-) (seriously though, the coastal scenery is
    excellent)

    Personally I've restricted my choice to parks that I've actually visited,
    which limits the list to only 9 parks for me. What a surprise that the
    three Welsh parks came out on top eh?

    Paul


    Yosemite is my favourite.

    Once went four days without seeing another person. :O)

    --
    Regards

    Nick

  7. Paul Saunders said:

    After all the excitement of voting for the best town/city in the UK, how
    about voting for your favourite national parks?

    This time the rules aren't so vague. There are no criteria this time, you
    can vote for any reasons you wish, simply pick the ones you like best.

    Since they're rather arbitrary borders (especially in the case of the
    Cairngorms NP), I'll put in a vote for none of them. Inverpolly and
    Knoydart aren't NPs and they're more beautiful and dramatic IMHO than
    anything that is.

    I'm not trying to imply that NPs aren't a Good Idea, as I think they
    are, but declaring a piece of geography to be "favourite" just because
    it has certain planning restrictions that something over the line on a
    government map doesn't isn't something that appeals to me.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  8. Peter Clinch said:
    Paul Saunders said:

    After all the excitement of voting for the best town/city in the UK,
    how about voting for your favourite national parks?

    This time the rules aren't so vague. There are no criteria this time,
    you can vote for any reasons you wish, simply pick the ones you like
    best.

    Since they're rather arbitrary borders (especially in the case of the
    Cairngorms NP), I'll put in a vote for none of them. Inverpolly and
    Knoydart aren't NPs and they're more beautiful and dramatic IMHO than
    anything that is.

    I'm not trying to imply that NPs aren't a Good Idea, as I think they
    are, but declaring a piece of geography to be "favourite" just because
    it has certain planning restrictions that something over the line on a
    government map doesn't isn't something that appeals to me.

    Pete.

    I'll vote for that one too. Again, I've nothing against National Parks,
    and I can see some the advantages of having them. But they're a bit too
    arbitrary for me.

    And if you're including proposed parks, how about the Coastal and Marine
    National Park proposed for Scotland?

    druidh

  9. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
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    Quoted message said:

    After all the excitement of voting for the best town/city in the UK, how
    about voting for your favourite national parks?

    It seems we're the only two voters, Paul. It's a tie then.

    --
    "Beannachd leibh"

    Theo
    www.theosphotos.fotopic.net

  10. "Paul Saunders"wrote

    Quoted message said:

    After all the excitement of voting for the best town/city in the UK, how
    about voting for your favourite national parks?

    For me it's...
    EX
    DM
    LD

    --
    Regards
    Bob
    In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London

  11. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    After all the excitement of voting for the best town/city in the UK, how
    about voting for your favourite national parks?


    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........
    OK, ignoring the fact that any part of the West Highlands will knock spots
    off 90% of the NPs I vote for:

    YD
    LD
    NY

    Graham


  12. Quoted message said:

    Since they're rather arbitrary borders (especially in the case of the
    Cairngorms NP), I'll put in a vote for none of them. Inverpolly and
    Knoydart aren't NPs and they're more beautiful and dramatic IMHO than
    anything that is.

    I was about to post the same thing. The Cairngorms is a joke.. It
    covers a vast area of the Mounth as well as The Range That Used To Be
    Called The Cairngorms , as long as its not in Perthshire.

    Even areas of Scotland that are largely ignored such as Tweedale would
    be NPs if in England.

    Then we have the really good bits - The Western Isles, Sutherland and
    Coigach, Wester Ross.... and on and on....

    I will pass on this, even though I have an NP just down the road - and
    that one wont win.

    Richard Webb

  13. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    In no particular order:

    PC
    TB
    SN

  14. 1. LD Lake District
    2. SN Snowdonia
    3. CG Cairngorms

    David.

  15. Paul Saunders said:

    After all the excitement of voting for the best town/city in the UK, how
    about voting for your favourite national parks?

    Why national parks, what about all the other beautiful areas that
    haven't benn arbitrarily designated to become blighted tourist
    hotspots?

  16. "Tim Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Paul Saunders said:

    After all the excitement of voting for the best town/city in the UK, how
    about voting for your favourite national parks?

    Why national parks, what about all the other beautiful areas that
    haven't benn arbitrarily designated to become blighted tourist
    hotspots?

    Because the original poster wanted to conduct a poll to find people's
    favorite National Park.

  17. In article <[email hidden]>, Tim Jones
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Why national parks, what about all the other beautiful areas that
    haven't benn arbitrarily designated to become blighted tourist
    hotspots?

    They've probably been earmarked for Windfarms :-)
    --
    Bill Grey
    http://www.billboy.co.uk

  18. In Article <[email hidden]>,"Paul Saunders"

    Quoted message said:

    NATIONAL PARK LIST
    DM Dartmoor
    EX Exmoor
    NF New Forest
    SD South Downs
    TB The Broads
    PD Peak District
    YD Yorkshire Dales
    NY North York Moors
    LD Lake District
    NL Northumberland
    BB Brecon Beacons
    PC Pembrokeshire Coast
    SN Snowdonia
    LL Loch Lomond & the Trossachs
    CG Cairngorms

    LD
    YD
    NL

    Regards,
    Richard G.

  19. Tim Jones said:

    Why national parks,

    Because it's a convenient list (short and clearly defined) of popular
    walking locations. I'm just curious as to which ones are the most popular
    in the eyes of a very small sample of posters in this newsgroup.

    Quoted message said:

    what about all the other beautiful areas that
    haven't benn arbitrarily designated to become blighted tourist
    hotspots?

    Perhaps because it's the blighted tourist hotspots that I'm interested in?
    Which hotspots are the most blighted? ;-)

    Seriously though, without a clear list the same thing would happen as with
    the last poll, i.e. you'd end up with dozens of single votes for different
    places, which doesn't make for very interesting results. Also, there'd
    probably be disagreements over boundaries, which people choosing to define
    areas differently (e.g. purists insist that Snowdonia only refers to the
    northern part of the park, some consider Cadair Idris to be in Mid-Wales
    whilst others think it's in Snowdonia). With this list there can be no
    arguments about borders (however arbitrary), and the fact that it's short
    should give more meaningful results.

    Actually, my Anquet GB Overview map shows a large number of additional areas
    in green (anyone with Anquet can check this). Most of these are probably
    "areas of outstanding natural beauty" or have other designations, and do
    provide a much better coverage of the whole country, particularly Scotland
    (e.g. Ben Nevis & Glen Coe, Cuillin Hills, Wester Ross and so on) but no
    doubt many of these borders are arbitrary too, and still not everywhere is
    covered (e.g nothing in Mid-Wales). I had considered including all of these
    but it would have been a much longer list, and no doubt there'd still be
    complaints about arbitrary borders, and probably more complaints about
    certain areas not being included (if my map is not sufficiently up to date).

    So, whatever the limitations of this simple poll, it is what it is, you can
    take it or leave it. It's just a bit of harmless fun.

    Paul.

  20. Peter Clinch said:

    Since they're rather arbitrary borders (especially in the case of the
    Cairngorms NP), I'll put in a vote for none of them.

    I agree that the Scottish national parks seem to make little sense, but
    apparently they are a little different to those in England and Wales. The
    national parks concept primarily applies to England and Wales.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_parks_of_England_and_Wales
    I had thought of restricting it to only those, but it only seemed fair to
    include the Scottish ones as well.

    druidh said:

    I'll vote for that one too. Again, I've nothing against National
    Parks, and I can see some the advantages of having them. But they're
    a bit too arbitrary for me.

    Agreed with regard to the Scottish ones, but the England and Wales parks
    make a lot of sense. Certainly we can argue about finicky border details,
    but on the whole they correspond pretty closely to the areas they represent.

    Look at Wales for example, take the highest summits over an area of roughly
    similar topographical and geological character, and what have you got?
    Snowdonia! I've often wondered about the curious south-eastern border, but
    when I recently compared it to a geological map I found that it corresponds
    pretty closely. Same with the Beacons, basically it's an area of old red
    sandstone summits, and the park boundary corresponds pretty closely to that.
    Pembrokeshire coast? Again pretty logical. As is Dartmoor, Lake District,
    New Forest, Broads and so on.

    I'm not quite sure how much sense the the Pennine divisions make, but on the
    whole, the England and Wales national parks make good topographical and
    geological sense.

    Scotland though? Well they're just silly. I'm no expert on Scottish
    mountain divisions, but to be consistent with England and Wales there should
    be a park centred around Ben Nevis at the very least, to correspond to
    Snowdonia and the Lake District. The Isle of Skye would seem to be a
    logical area too. As I mentioned in my previous post, there are many other
    area designations (which aren't national parks) that include these places,
    but for all I know the boundaries of those may be illogical too.

    So I included the Scottish national parks so as not to be accused of leaving
    Scotland out, but maybe I shouldn't have bothered?

    Peter Clinch said:

    Inverpolly and
    Knoydart aren't NPs and they're more beautiful and dramatic IMHO than
    anything that is.

    Richard Webb said:

    Even areas of Scotland that are largely ignored such as Tweedale would
    be NPs if in England.

    Then we have the really good bits - The Western Isles, Sutherland and
    Coigach, Wester Ross.... and on and on....

    I don't doubt that, but that's not what this poll is about. I'm not asking
    what people think are the most beautiful or dramatic areas of the UK, I'm
    simply asking what people's favourite national parks are, which is not the
    same thing.

    You, or anyone else who fancies it, are quite welcome to start another poll
    about which is the most scenic, dramatic, wild, tranquil, remote or whatever
    areas if you want.

    Peter Clinch said:

    I'm not trying to imply that NPs aren't a Good Idea, as I think they
    are, but declaring a piece of geography to be "favourite" just because
    it has certain planning restrictions that something over the line on a
    government map doesn't isn't something that appeals to me.

    No, that's not what I'm asking. Snowdonia isn't my favourite piece of
    geography simply because it's a national park, it would be anyway even if it
    weren't, but that's not the question. It's simply a poll about national
    parks. For better or worse, they are what they are.

    I do wonder if you'd be so dismissive of the Scottish national parks if they
    actually did correspond to the most scenic areas and had logical boundaries.

    Paul

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