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  1. I cannot believe I have come across an ultra trail runner i can respect
    as a competitor and NOT a feat accomplisher. No wonder...he's really a
    marathoner who enters these events of feat accomplishers...and
    dominates while setting course records....

    AUSTIN RUNNING
    For ultra-runner Steidl, marathon is in its own class of pain
    Shorter distance is also more intense, he points out.
    By Brom Hoban
    Saturday, February 18, 2006

    Uli Steidl knows there are more differences between a marathon and a
    50-miler than the matter of some 24 extra miles.

    For one, "the marathon hurts a lot more than the 50-miler," said
    Steidl, an elite runner who's one of the top men's seeds for the
    Freescale Austin Marathon on Sunday.

    Of the elite runners in the Freescale field, only Ukrainian Mykola
    Antonenko has a faster marathon time than Steidl's, and Antonenko's
    mark of 2 hours, 13 minutes and 51 seconds is only five seconds
    quicker. Unlike the other top entrants, however, Steidl also is an
    accomplished ultra-runner - a rare combination in an elite
    marathoner. So far, the 33-year-old Steidl has set course records in
    all seven ultra-marathons he has run.

    Steidl, who lives in Seattle, also knows how to win a marathon. From
    1994 to 2004, he won the Seattle Marathon six straight times and placed
    first in the Vancouver International Marathon for five straight years.

    While most elite marathoners keep their long runs to about 20 to 24
    miles, Steidl likes to get in runs far longer than the marathon's
    26.2-mile distance. He's been known to run for up to 4 1/2 hours in the
    Cascade Mountains near his home. And he occasionally treks for six
    hours or so with Scott Jurek, the seven-time Western States 100-Mile
    champion, who also is part of Freescale's field.

    Jurek thinks Steidl has gained mental and physical strength from his
    ultra runs.

    "Uli is probably one of the most versatile runners I know," Jurek said.
    "From 5K to six-hour trail runs, he's done it. He's an elite marathoner
    who is not afraid to run on trails. I think the ultra trail races
    definitely help with mental toughness and strength.

    "You climb thousands of feet on the trails, building strength and power
    in your legs. It's a different kind of pain - more of a discomfort.
    Uli really knows how to train."

    In December, Steidl won the SunMart 50K in Huntsville, completing his
    fifth 50K while setting a course record of 3:07:46.

    Winning a 50-mile or 50K race - that's 31 miles - would appear to
    be more difficult than winning a marathon, but Steidl, who came to the
    United States 13 years ago and was an All-American in track and
    cross-country at the University of Portland, tends to disagree.

    "In (ultra) trail races, there is not a lot of incentive to go right up
    to your limit," he said. "But in a marathon, if you slow down, the
    clock just keeps ticking, so you know you have to keep pushing hard.
    I'd rather run a 2:14 at Freescale and place fifth than run a 2:17 and
    place second. For me, running a fast time is more important than the
    (prize) money.

    "A 50-mile trail race is a very different experience," he said. "You
    are going around your normal training pace, but you have to keep it up
    for six or seven hours. In a marathon, you are going much faster, and
    hurting more."

    http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/other/02/18MARATHON.html

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    I cannot believe I have come across an ultra trail runner i can respect
    as a competitor and NOT a feat accomplisher. No wonder...he's really a
    marathoner who enters these events of feat accomplishers...and
    dominates while setting course records....

    I like him too. He is faster than a 3:52, and a lot faster than a 2:52 of r
    that matter. Anybody that can't run his times suck and should therefore
    quit running.

  3. Quoted message said:

    Steidl, who lives in Seattle, also knows how to win a marathon. From
    1994 to 2004, he won the Seattle Marathon six straight times and placed
    first in the Vancouver International Marathon for five straight years.

    I have a CD-ROM somewhere with some good video clips of Steidl homing
    in for the finish (2004 Vancouver).

    He doesn't look tired at all in that last half mile, and his running
    style is very smooth. Textbook material, really.

  4. Jonny said:

    I like him too. He is faster than a 3:52, and a lot faster than a 2:52 of r
    that matter. Anybody that can't run his times suck and should therefore
    quit running.

    Was that your reasoning?

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    I cannot believe I have come across an ultra trail runner i can respect
    as a competitor and NOT a feat accomplisher. No wonder...he's really a
    marathoner who enters these events of feat accomplishers...and
    dominates while setting course records....

    I agree that he's worthy of respect. Your post begs a question however - why
    would he bother to enter the domain of feat accomplishers? Don't you think
    he's wasting his time running for hours at a normal training pace to collect
    no prize money? Or do you think he's found a new training method that other
    marathoners should emulate? Or, gasp, perhaps it's because he can't win
    marathons anymore so he has followed your suggested script of finding easier
    pastures to plow - impressive to the unknowing public? It might just be that
    he enters these events because he really enjoys trail running, like everyone
    else who does it. Your search for nefarious motives and your put-downs of
    people who enjoy something different is silly. I might remind you that
    people ran trails long before roads ever existed.

    -Tony

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    I cannot believe I have come across an ultra trail runner i can
    respect
    as a competitor and NOT a feat accomplisher.

    Nice try Lance-a-less but attempt some new trolling material. Until you
    have walked the walk you are a wussy boy without a clue.

    -DF

  7. "Kaz Kylheku" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Jonny said:

    I like him too. He is faster than a 3:52, and a lot faster than a 2:52


    of r

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that matter. Anybody that can't run his times suck and should therefore
    quit running.

    Was that your reasoning?

    I'm sub 2:11, but it should be Lance's reasoning.

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    finding easier pastures to plow

    tony....read his words. he clearly, directly, repeatedly stated which
    is the more challenging, fatiguing & demanding challenge. his views
    perhaps bring a sense of understanding why you see the fields comprised
    of old timers like doug f, etc. old timers are overly
    represented.....younger runners are under-represented..... last week i
    quoted and posted the whole article of a far greater trail & ultra
    authority than doug who said ultra / trail runners simply want to
    finish....that's all. google it.

    my views are the product of what those wihtin the ultra and trail
    community assert...and what can be clearly seen on the landscape in
    looking at these events (i.e., have no runners aged 20-29 in some of
    the premier events, etc.). at a certain point tony....all these
    indicators all add up to a domain short on peer to peer competition,
    long on conquering the environment. none of this is a "bad
    thing"...it's just not a "competitive thing".

    If I was looking for a long jog in the woords, I'd run that Maryland
    HAT run. If I wanted to race competition, I'd be in Boston (Marathon).
    It's that simple.

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    finding easier pastures to plow

    tony....read his words. he clearly, directly, repeatedly stated which
    is the more challenging, fatiguing & demanding challenge. his views
    perhaps bring a sense of understanding why you see the fields comprised
    of old timers like doug f, etc. old timers are overly
    represented.....younger runners are under-represented..... last week i
    quoted and posted the whole article of a far greater trail & ultra
    authority than doug who said ultra / trail runners simply want to
    finish....that's all. google it.

    They're easier to WIN, and that was obviously my point.

    Quoted message said:

    my views are the product of what those wihtin the ultra and trail
    community assert...and what can be clearly seen on the landscape in
    looking at these events (i.e., have no runners aged 20-29 in some of
    the premier events, etc.). at a certain point tony....all these
    indicators all add up to a domain short on peer to peer competition,
    long on conquering the environment. none of this is a "bad
    thing"...it's just not a "competitive thing".

    If I was looking for a long jog in the woords, I'd run that Maryland
    HAT run. If I wanted to race competition, I'd be in Boston (Marathon).
    It's that simple.

    Right, so speculate as to my question why would a talented runner like him
    choose to run trail ultras?

    -Tony

  10. Very few people really grasp how powerful the idea of competition is.
    It is a very efficient way of eliminating the bs. Of course, it is
    darwinian. Dumb people get low paying jobs for example. Foreigners can
    just come here out of the jungle and outcopet people who have lived
    here for hundreds of years. When you have to compete against 6000
    million browns and yellows the outcome is inevitable. Even wayne
    gretzky really is unfair competion as he is a immigrant.

  11. Quoted message said:

    tony....read his words. he clearly, directly, repeatedly stated which
    is the more challenging, fatiguing & demanding challenge.

    Just means he wasn't racing properly during the ultramarathon, otherwise
    it would have hurt him as much as an ordinary marathon, but for much, much
    longer.

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