First Time Campy Tool Basics

The joys of Campy are endless, I love the Italians. Most of the tools
are the same, alot of the camp tools are for things you just won't do
very often as a consumer, frame prep and alignment among them. The
campy cassette lockring tool is the same as the shimano freewheel tool.
You may want bb tools, however, the record/chours/centuar bb is
diffrent the the veloce/mirage bb tool so you want to know what you
need before ordering. The crank arm remover from camp is much tougher
then any other I've seen, but they are the same thread as all other
modern cranks os if you have a crank arm remover you won't need to get
another one. Are you getting camp wheels as well? Some camp wheels
need special spoke tools, but those come with the wheelset if they are
needed. All current record/chours/centaur hubs need a 2.5mm allen key
to adjust them. Other then that normal tools are all you need.
-Tim

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The campy cassette lockring tool is the same as the shimano freewheel

tool.

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Is this true? According to Park Tool's website, the Campy cassette lockring
tool is *different* than any Shimano *freewheel* or cassette tool. For
example:

Campy cassette and bb tool (for Record/Chorus/Athena bb) uses this tool
(Park BBT-5)

http://www.parktool.com/products/detail.asp?cat=4&item=BBT%2D5

Shimano standard cassette tool is FR-5:

http://www.parktool.com/products/detail.asp?cat=4&item=FR%2D5

Shimano freewheel tool is FR-1:

http://www.parktool.com/products/detail.asp?cat=4&item=FR%2D1

So what tool are you talking about?

Yabba said:

I am in the throes of waiting for my first Campy-oriented bike. I have
been collecting Shimano-specific tools for the past few years, and am
wondering if folks here could make recommendations for some
campy-specific tools that I will find useful to adjust my own ride
from here on.

I know a collection of tools is in itself a worthwhile effort, so give
me some ideas, preferably with their application, and I can develop my
game plan.

Thanks in advance
Minnesota

4/5/6/8mm allens, other normal tools. The only thing 'Campagnolo'
specific is the casette/BB tool, Park makes one for about 6 bucks.

Quoted message said:

The joys of Campy are endless, I love the Italians. Most of the tools
are the same, alot of the camp tools are for things you just won't do
very often as a consumer, frame prep and alignment among them. The
campy cassette lockring tool is the same as the shimano freewheel tool.

Nope, different spline pattern. One for Campagnolo, one for shimano-6
bucks from Park.

Quoted message said:

You may want bb tools, however, the record/chours/centuar bb is
diffrent the the veloce/mirage bb tool so you want to know what you
need before ordering.

Old Centaur is AC-H. New Centaur, satarting in 2006, does use the BB
tol for Record and Chorus.

The crank arm remover from camp is much tougher

Quoted message said:

then any other I've seen, but they are the same thread as all other
modern cranks os if you have a crank arm remover you won't need to get
another one. Are you getting camp wheels as well? Some camp wheels
need special spoke tools, but those come with the wheelset if they are
needed. All current record/chours/centaur hubs need a 2.5mm allen key
to adjust them. Other then that normal tools are all you need.
-Tim

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Quoted message said:

The campy cassette lockring tool is the same as the shimano
freewheel tool.

Nope, different spline pattern. One for Campagnolo, one for
shimano-6 bucks from Park.

I happen to have removed a Shimano freewheel with a Campagnolo
cassette lockring tool a week ago, as the splines did fit. They did
not fit the Shimano HG lockring tool.

--
MfG/Best regards
helmut springer

Tim:

You have a lot to offer in terms of information. Yet you insist on
presenting it in an inaccessible fashion. Spacing, use of paragraphs,
and a check on your usage, verbage and spelling would make you much
more accessible.

Sometimes you go a bit gdaniels/datakol.... on us and your
message/useful info gets lost.

If you intend to put yourself out there as a resource, then make it
accessible. Others do well in the accessible arena but insult or
assault others while sharing (JB) their knowledge. Learn from their
mistakes. Your comments to Mr. Press in other threads, while somewhat
accurate do not encourage others to accept or seek your assistance.

D'ohBoy

The cassette tool works on some (but not all - old Centaur, Veloce, etc)
BBs. If you have one of the ones on which the cassette tool does not
work, get that tool. Park has improved this much in the past couple of
years. However, this might help...

Go to a hardware store and look for some big (tractor-sized) flat
washers. Get one that covers the BB tool, and get another that covers
the hole in the cassette tool. By putting a crank bolt through this
whole mess, you can have the BB tool anchored securely to the BB. That
eliminates slipping.

Pro-Fit pedals take a standard metric wrench, but it's a big one.
Likewise, the hub also "takes" a large metric spanner. (I rebuild my
hubs frequently, and they've never needed anything beyond finger
pressure to unscrew.)

If the time comes when you want to rebuild an Ergo lever, you'll need a
section of old handlebar and a vise. (I use the clamp on a repair stand
to hold the bar piece.) This holds the lever so you can work on it.

Yabba said:

I am in the throes of waiting for my first Campy-oriented bike. I have
been collecting Shimano-specific tools for the past few years, and am
wondering if folks here could make recommendations for some
campy-specific tools that I will find useful to adjust my own ride
from here on.

I know a collection of tools is in itself a worthwhile effort, so give
me some ideas, preferably with their application, and I can develop my
game plan.

Thanks in advance
Minnesota

D'ohBoy
I know my usage needs alot of work. But I do know bikes, so if I can
be helpful I will.

The shimano freewheel and the camp cassette lockring tool are so
slightly diffrent that they both work, if your camp cassette tool is
worn then I would not suggest using it on a shimano freewheel, but the
shimano freewheel tool works well as a camp cassette tool.
-Tim

Quoted message said:

D'ohBoy
I know my usage needs alot of work. But I do know bikes, so if I can
be helpful I will.

The shimano freewheel and the camp cassette lockring tool are so
slightly diffrent that they both work, if your camp cassette tool is
worn then I would not suggest using it on a shimano freewheel, but the
shimano freewheel tool works well as a camp cassette tool.
-Tim

Here's a tip: respond to correct message and *quote* it so we know what
you're talking about.
\\paul

Well, if he has an older C-Record, Croce D'Aune or Chorus crank from
mid 80s to early/mid 90s, he might also need 7mm allen wrench or socket
too.

<Well, if he has an older C-Record, Croce D'Aune or Chorus crank from
<mid 80s to early/mid 90s, he might also need 7mm allen wrench or
socket
<too.

I assumed that he is getting a current bike, you know what they say
about assuming...
-Tim

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The campy cassette lockring tool is the same as the shimano
freewheel tool.

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Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Nope, different spline pattern. One for Campagnolo, one for
shimano-6 bucks from Park.

Helmut Springer said:

I happen to have removed a Shimano freewheel with a Campagnolo
cassette lockring tool a week ago, as the splines did fit. They did
not fit the Shimano HG lockring tool.

Correct.
You can verify that by walking into any competent LBS and
holding a Shimano freewheel tool against a Campagnolo
casette/Record BB tool. Same spline. Shimano cassette are
indeed different.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Helmut Springer said:

I happen to have removed a Shimano freewheel with a Campagnolo
cassette lockring tool a week ago, as the splines did fit. They did
not fit the Shimano HG lockring tool.

But the Campagnolo tool in chrome is much prettier.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

A Muzi said:

But the Campagnolo tool in chrome is much prettier.

I have only a VAR made one I came across on occasion for little
money...not running Campagnolo neither freewheels at that time it
was kind of hunting and gathering...

--
MfG/Best regards
helmut springer

Does Campy no longer use a left hand threaded crank extractor? John