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  1. I've got a question about Hunter style frames (two sets of narrow legs
    on each side, as opposedto one thick leg on each side). For anyone
    with experience on these, is there any problem with strength? How
    about frame flex? It seems like because of the narrowness of the legs,
    they would flex from side to side while riding, or when jumping. Would
    they work for trials? Freestyle? I notice that they are usually used
    for MUni. Would they be appropriate for anything else?

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  2. Seems pretty solid to me, and that's on a Coker. I noticed a lot more
    flex on the standard frame. So I would imagine the shorter the frame
    the less flex. I don't think the crown is suitable for Freestyle.

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  3. So the Hunter style is good for road riding and I'm assuming MUni.
    Anyone from the trials scene have an opinion?

    By the way, I'm also including 'this unicycle'
    (http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=101) when I mean
    Hunter style.

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  4. The Hunter is proven bombproof for muni and distance. Strength and flex
    totally not an issue. Not good for freestyle due to sloped crown. Not
    sure I'd worry about it for trials, since there are so many
    well-established alternatives. Since trials often combines with street,
    I think a flat crown would be more than a "nice to have".

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  5. The Hunter design is solid.

    Making a solid unicycle with that style of frame is a combination of
    geometry and solid tubing with a large enough diameter.

    The geometry is how much of a triangle the two legs form. The Hunter
    design uses a good sized triangle. The DM Vortex frame, unfortunately,
    did not. The Hunter design is stiffer and less flexy than the DM
    Vortex design. Design the frame so the geometry makes the frame
    stiffer.

    Don't skimp on the tubing. Use a large enough diameter that the tubing
    is stiff enough. The Hunter uses standard bicycle tubing as used on
    the seat stays of a bicycle.

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  6. paco said:

    I've got a question about Hunter style frames (two sets of narrow legs
    on each side, as opposedto one thick leg on each side). For anyone
    with experience on these, is there any problem with strength? How
    about frame flex? It seems like because of the narrowness of the legs,
    they would flex from side to side while riding, or when jumping. Would
    they work for trials? Freestyle? I notice that they are usually used
    for MUni. Would they be appropriate for anything else?

    Joe Rowing used his 'Blizzard ' (http://tinyurl.com/3h4m)frame for
    trials, with no flex problems.

    I'm sure he said what John said, that the stiffness of the two tubes
    was significantly greater than the strength of a single tube because of
    the triangulation of them.

    Joe

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  7. The basic concept behind the Hunter/Telford/Vortex frames is the same
    for all three. Instead of using fat, low-end "cheap bike" tubing, on
    unicycles being built wider than all previous unicycles (wider tires at
    the dawn of manufactured MUni), use two pieces of high-quality bicycle
    tubing (as for a bike's rear triangle).

    As I remember it, the Hunter design came first, but Geoff Faraghan
    designed his Telford frame before today's version of the Hunter frame
    was made (there was at least one slightly different prototype). The
    intent of the Telford frame was to imitate the seat post angle of a
    bike, so bike seat posts could be used, specifically suspension ones.
    Otherwise it was designed to look cool, which it did.

    The Hunter frame seems to be a good, rigid design. It may look a little
    funny, but it does the job well. As much should be expected from an
    experienced bike frame maker like Rick Hunter.

    The DM Vortex frame may have been thought as a logical extension of the
    thin tubing design into a more symmetrical shape. I also came up with
    that design, on paper, before I ever saw one.

    So you have high-quality, thin tubing. This enables you to expand your
    "framework" fore and aft, while at the same time keeping your frame's
    width to a minimum. This is especially useful for shorter riders. Now,
    not sure if this needs to be added or not, but if you added a hinge
    mechanism to any of these frames it would risk compromising their
    rigidity and would certainly undo any of the weight savings.

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  8. johnfoss said:

    Now, not sure if this needs to be added or not, but if you added a hinge
    mechanism to any of these frames it would risk compromising their
    rigidity and would certainly undo any of the weight savings.

    You guessed where I was going with this 😄
    But I wasn't going to put a hinge on it, don't worry. One more
    question: it sounds like the Vortex frame isn't as stable for Muni.
    Would it be stable enough on a 20" frame? I can't tell how wide the
    gap is between the sets of legs on the Blizzard frame for comparison...

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