Cycling Equipment · Public discussion

Over-centre cam locking, campy (and other) qr's etcetera...

Started by jtaylor · · Last activity · 7 posts · 503 views

This thread is locked and is currently read-only.

Thread navigation

Jump through the discussion

Go to the original post, the replies on this page, or the latest preserved contribution.

Thread details

What we know about this thread

Original section
Cycling Equipment
Published
14 February 2006
Last activity
15 February 2006
Original author
jtaylor
Posts
7
Discussion status
Public discussion
Total views
503
Views / 30 days
0

The navigation and discussion metadata provide context. Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Showing posts 1–7 of 7
Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Text size
  1. Recently in another thread jim beam claimed that the following features:

    "...over-center cam locking, serrated faces, thread lock..."

    were developed in quick-releases due to the emergence of modern disc brakes
    on push-bikes.

    Now some of these assertions are false on their face - for thread locking
    one has only to look at the clever wing/spring nut on campagnolo record
    hubs; and serrated locknuts and qr ends were in use long before anything
    except freewheels clicked. The over-centre cam locking is not patently
    visible. It did, however, seem wrong to me - all the qr's on the bikes I
    have owned felt this way when I closed them; and so it did not surprise me
    when...

    ....he was quickly corrected by a number of posters, but, being jim beam,
    claimed

    a) they were all wrong, and he was right; and

    b) he had sold the single hub on which he based his claim and so could not
    prove he was right, but he would if he still had it.

    The hub (actually the qr) in question was described as "...the old straight
    lever campy...".

    Posters replied that they had used this hub and it DID have an over-centre
    cam action.

    jim beam did the deny, deny, deny thing.

    Well, I just took apart a few qr's, which pre-date modern disc brakes, and
    measured them. One Campagnolo Record, one Campagnolo Tipo, one MM Atom, and
    one Zeus; all except the Zeus have straight levers.

    First thing I did was close the qrs on a fork, with a hub in between. The
    qr levers, when closed, were about 10 degrees past the perpendicular to the
    hub axle (closer to the fork).

    Then I disassembled the qrs, removed the spindles, replaced the lever and
    retaining nut or C-clip, and mounted them in a vice. I took a
    dial-test-indicator and placed the ball on the centre-line of the cam, and
    watched the DTI needle as I rotated the lever.

    All of the qr's showed that when the lever was in the same position as a
    fully-closed qr on a hub, they had passed the maximum cam excursion from the
    pivot centre. One in particular - the MM Atom - was past the maximum when
    the lever was at 90 degrees.

    This last qr came from a Normandy large flange hub, which has serrated faces
    on both the locknuts and the qr ends.

    Now, if anyone wishes, I will post (urls to) digital photos, but it is quite
    possible jim beam will complain about this, as they are in .jpg format, and
    I may have to use an indirect link, both of which he has had difficulty
    handling. I predict he will instead suggest a better way to settle this
    matter of fact will be to "...fight. come on, be a man. come out to the
    parking lot..."

  2. "jtaylor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]!nnrp1.uunet.ca...

    Quoted message said:

    Recently in another thread jim beam claimed that the following features:

    "...over-center cam locking, serrated faces, thread lock..."

    were developed in quick-releases due to the emergence of modern disc
    brakes
    on push-bikes.

    Now some of these assertions are false on their face - for thread locking
    one has only to look at the clever wing/spring nut on campagnolo record
    hubs;

    [SNIP]

    Quoted message said:

    . One in particular - the MM Atom - was past the maximum when
    the lever was at 90 degrees.

    This last qr came from a Normandy large flange hub, which has serrated
    faces
    on both the locknuts and the qr ends.

    And, of course both of these skewers also disprove Jim's threadlock
    assertion, since they were among the earliest to place a plastic cap over
    the nut, to lock the threads.

  3. jtaylor said:

    Recently in another thread jim beam claimed that the following features:

    "...over-center cam locking, serrated faces, thread lock..."

    were developed in quick-releases due to the emergence of modern disc brakes
    on push-bikes.

    What the hell is a push-bike?

    --
    "All my time I spent in heaven
    Revelries of dance and wine
    Waking to the sound of laughter
    Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons

  4. "G.T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    jtaylor said:

    Recently in another thread jim beam claimed that the following features:

    "...over-center cam locking, serrated faces, thread lock..."

    were developed in quick-releases due to the emergence of modern disc


    brakes

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    on push-bikes.

    What the hell is a push-bike?

    One of two common forms of cycle; the other being a motor-bike.

  5. Quoted message said:

    Now, if anyone wishes, I will post (urls to) digital photos, but it
    is quite possible jim beam will complain about this, as they are in
    .jpg format, and I may have to use an indirect link, both of which he
    has had difficulty handling. I predict he will instead suggest a
    better way to settle this matter of fact will be to "...fight. come
    on, be a man. come out to the parking lot..."

    Please continue this personal attack in a private fashion or on a newsgroup
    better-suited, such as alt.flame.
    --
    Phil, Squid-in-Training

  6. Squid-in-Training said:
    Quoted message said:

    Now, if anyone wishes, I will post (urls to) digital photos, but it
    is quite possible jim beam will complain about this, as they are in
    .jpg format, and I may have to use an indirect link, both of which he
    has had difficulty handling. I predict he will instead suggest a
    better way to settle this matter of fact will be to "...fight. come
    on, be a man. come out to the parking lot..."

    Please continue this personal attack in a private fashion or on a newsgroup
    better-suited, such as alt.flame.

    I agree, why not just post the info, without the personal asides to
    JB. Right or wrong, it makes jt look petty, especially that nonsense
    about the parking lot.

    Jeff

  7. Quoting Jeff Starr <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    I agree, why not just post the info, without the personal asides to
    JB. Right or wrong, it makes jt look petty, especially that nonsense
    about the parking lot.

    That nonsense about the parking lot is an exact quote from jim beam.
    --
    David Damerell <[email hidden]> Kill the tomato!
    Today is Second Tuesday, February.

Active in the last 60 minutes

Active in this thread

0 users · 0 guests ·0 bots ·0 total

No signed-in users are active right now.

No known search crawlers active right now.