I often ride to my LBS from my house, taking the same 7-mile route each time. When I am all spandexed out and on my racing bike, cage creatures give me room on the road, seldom yell, and, in general, treat me well. But, when I am on my ATB, outfitted in normal clothes, I get heaps of abuse -- cars pass way too close, people yell, etc. Nothing changes but the bike and clothing. I find this odd.
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When I am all spandexed out and on my racing bike, cage creatures give me room on the road, seldom yell, and, in general, treat me well. But, when I am on my ATB, outfitted in normal clothes, I get heaps of abuse -- cars pass way too close, people yell, etc. Nothing changes but the bike and clothing. I find this odd.
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In article <[email hidden]>, Kevan Smith <[email hidden]/\/\> says...
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I often ride to my LBS from my house, taking the same 7-mile route each time. When I am all spandexed out and on my racing bike, cage creatures give me room on the road, seldom yell, and, in general, treat me well. But, when I am on my ATB, outfitted in normal clothes, I get heaps of abuse -- cars pass way too close, people yell, etc. Nothing changes but the bike and clothing. I find this odd.
Are these different conditions also at different times of the day or week? You might be seeing (for example) one batch of drivers when you're in your "roadie" clothes during the day, and a different batch on the weekends when you're on the MTB.
I often ride to my LBS from my house, taking the same 7-mile route each time. When I am all spandexed out and on my racing bike, cage creatures give me room on the road, seldom yell, and, in general, treat me well. But, when I am on my ATB, outfitted in normal clothes, I get heaps of abuse -- cars pass way too close, people yell, etc. Nothing changes but the bike and clothing. I find this odd.
I have noticed some of the same behaviors with my commuter bike vs. my grocery shopping bike. I'll be riding the same roads right near my house. Riding the same way, often at the same speeds (assuming I don't have twenty pound sacks of rice in my baskets). Yet I get a lot more honking, swearing, and bad behavior from motorists.
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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:57:09 -0400, David Kerber <ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net> from Warren Rogers
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In article <[email hidden]>, Kevan Smith <[email hidden]/\/\> says...
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I often ride to my LBS from my house, taking the same 7-mile route each time. When I am all spandexed out and on my racing bike, cage creatures give me room on the road, seldom yell, and, in general, treat me well. But, when I am on my ATB, outfitted in normal clothes, I get heaps of abuse -- cars pass way too close, people yell, etc. Nothing changes but the bike and clothing. I find this odd.
Are these different conditions also at different times of the day or week? You might be seeing (for example) one batch of drivers when you're in your "roadie" clothes during the day, and a different batch on the weekends when you're on the MTB.
Just a thought...
Same times and places. Doesn't matter. The racer getup gets "respect," and the commuter non-look gets abuse. -- home.sport.rr.comcuthuluOpen ↗ human rights = peace I have accepted Provolone into my life! 3:42:47 PM 9 September 2003
I have noticed some of the same behaviors with my commuter bike vs. my grocery shopping bike. I'll be riding the same roads right near my house. Riding the same way, often at the same speeds (assuming I don't have twenty pound sacks of rice in my baskets). Yet I get a lot more honking, swearing, and bad behavior from motorists.
Appearing to be engaged in a leisure-time avocation is one thing. Riders obviously on "training rides" are innocuous in the eyes of motorized road users. Maybe nuisances, at the worst.
But to [appear to] use a bicycle for real, practical functionality is an insult -- maybe even a threat to the more fundamentalist adherents to Car Culture, who are extremely protective and defensive of their sacred cow's (The Automobile) place in society. Iconoclasts (ideophages?) have to expect some reactionism.
Practical cycling also exposes riders to poor-bashing.
That's my intuitive guess, anyway.
cheers, Tom
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But, when I am on my ATB, outfitted in normal clothes, I get heaps of abuse -- cars pass way too close, people yell, etc. Nothing changes but the bike and clothing. I find this odd.
Now you know why FREDS like Zoot are so bitter and have such a bad attitude.
One question, why get on a ATB in normal clothes in the first place?
When guys like Cipollini and Me aren't out training we are seen in the Tuscany region on stuff like Honda's 16-valve DOHC inline-four cylinder CBR 1100XX with the 42mm slanted flat-slide CV-type Carburetors.
Save the lame ATB for the poor people like F. Golighty.
I have experienced the opposite reaction. Less respect while in bikewear.
Nobody messes with me when I'm in 'normal' clothing. I always figured people thought better of it because they were uncertain about whether I might bash them at the next light. Seems like the helmet itself is the most important factor in this. Something about a bike helmet just makes the rider look harmless. Bike helmet would be a good cover for doing crimes.
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I have noticed some of the same behaviors with my commuter bike vs. my grocery shopping bike. I'll be riding the same roads right near my house. Riding the same way, often at the same speeds (assuming I don't have twenty pound sacks of rice in my baskets). Yet I get a lot more honking, swearing, and bad behavior from motorists.
Appearing to be engaged in a leisure-time avocation is one thing. Riders obviously on "training rides" are innocuous in the eyes of motorized road users. Maybe nuisances, at the worst.
But to [appear to] use a bicycle for real, practical functionality is an insult -- maybe even a threat to the more fundamentalist adherents to Car Culture, who are extremely protective and defensive of their sacred cow's (The Automobile) place in society. Iconoclasts (ideophages?) have to expect some reactionism.
Practical cycling also exposes riders to poor-bashing.
That's my intuitive guess, anyway.
cheers, Tom
Here is another thought; lycra clad, high dollar bike riding guys, probably can afford a lawyer. Now, mountain bikes are expensive, but cheap knock offs are plentiful, and they are not easily distinguished at 60 mph. IME the people you see around here on mountain bikes on the roadare either kids or that can't afford, or aren't allowed to drive. In short cannot afford a lawyer, or get respect from the police. Just a thought. Len
On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:04:51 GMT, "Fabrizio Mazzoleni" <[email hidden]> from Shaw Residential
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But, when I am on my ATB, outfitted in normal clothes, I get heaps of abuse -- cars pass way too close, people yell, etc. Nothing changes but the bike and clothing. I find this odd.
Now you know why FREDS like Zoot are so bitter and have such a bad attitude.
One question, why get on a ATB in normal clothes in the first place?
When guys like Cipollini and Me aren't out training we are seen in the Tuscany region on stuff like Honda's 16-valve DOHC inline-four cylinder CBR 1100XX with the 42mm slanted flat-slide CV-type Carburetors.
Save the lame ATB for the poor people like F. Golighty.
Man, you are like the greatest ever. Thanks for helping me regain my perspective. I don't know what I was thinking. Thanks, man.
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When I take out the Rocket-----my bike with a full front fairing and a 6-foot long, streamlined fiberglass trailer and wear my streamlined helmet, drivers give me plenty of room and courtesy. But when riding a plain bicycle, I often feel like a [censored] pheasant on opening day. It's a whole different world on the roads without my special rig and I'm fair game for the drivers' rudeness.
When I finish my recumbent tricycle with quadraped lever drive, a front fairing and a streamlined cargo box and tow the trailer, I wonder what my status will be?
In article <[email hidden]>, Kevan Smith <[email hidden]/\/\> says...
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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:57:09 -0400, David Kerber <ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net> from Warren Rogers
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In article <[email hidden]>, Kevan Smith <[email hidden]/\/\> says...
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I often ride to my LBS from my house, taking the same 7-mile route each time. When I am all spandexed out and on my racing bike, cage creatures give me room on the road, seldom yell, and, in general, treat me well. But, when I am on my ATB, outfitted in normal clothes, I get heaps of abuse -- cars pass way too close, people yell, etc. Nothing changes but the bike and clothing. I find this odd.
Are these different conditions also at different times of the day or week? You might be seeing (for example) one batch of drivers when you're in your "roadie" clothes during the day, and a different batch on the weekends when you're on the MTB.
Just a thought...
Same times and places. Doesn't matter. The racer getup gets "respect," and the commuter non-look gets abuse.
Interesting. I haven't noticed that phenomenon, though I'll keep my eye out for it to see if we might have it around here but at a lesser level.
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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:22:02 -0700 (PDT), [email hidden] (Steve McDonald) from WebTV
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When I finish my recumbent tricycle with quadraped lever drive, a front fairing and a streamlined cargo box and tow the trailer, I wonder what my status will be?
Full Fred-dom. 🙂
-- home.sport.rr.comcuthuluOpen ↗ human rights = peace I wonder if BOB GUCCIONE has these problems! 12:43:51 AM 10 September 2003
When guys like Cipollini and Me aren't out training we are seen in the Tuscany region on stuff like Honda's
Pros like you and Mario should be riding Ducati's Testasretta SuperBike 998 with those gorgeous Marchesini wheels. Or something manly like the Moto Guzzi V11 Sport Ballabio. Leave the Hondas and Harleys for amateurs. -- zk
I often ride to my LBS from my house, taking the same 7-mile route each time. When I am all spandexed out and on my racing bike, cage creatures give me room on the road, seldom yell, and, in general, treat me well. But, when I am on my ATB, outfitted in normal clothes, I get heaps of abuse -- cars pass way too close, people yell, etc. Nothing changes but the bike and clothing. I find this odd.
I've seen the same thing. I think it has as much to do with your speed as your clothing though. Maybe it's nothing more than the drivers considering the fact that someone who's going fast just MAY be able to catch them at the next light.
speed as your clothing though. Maybe it's nothing more than the drivers considering the fact that someone who's going fast just MAY be able to catch them at the next light.
I don't think there are any concious decisions by the drivers to respect or buzz a cyclist; I think it's mostly subconcious, or a result of the circumstances.
I couldn't begin to guess how that actually applies, though.
I often ride to my LBS from my house, taking the same 7-mile route each time. When I am all spandexed out and on my racing bike, cage creatures give me room on the road, seldom yell, and, in general, treat me well. But, when I am on my ATB, outfitted in normal clothes, I get heaps of abuse -- cars pass way too close, people yell, etc. Nothing changes but the bike and clothing. I find this odd.
So, Kevan... how does your ass look in spandex?
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