Glueless patches -- anyone using them lately?

"Matt O'Toole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

After shunning them for many years, I've started using glueless patches
again. Though the old ones were unreliable, the newer ones seem pretty
good. A couple of mine have almost a year on them, with no trouble
whatsoever. These are the Park GP-2 ones.

With these working so well, I don't see much reason to carry the old
fashioned kind anymore.

Any thoughts?

Matt O.

I had horrible problems with them until I realized that my "testing" them by
inflating while not incased by the tire and rim was causing them to leak.
Good results with Park if I follow directions. (Not always so easy to do.)

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY

Matt O'Toole said:

After shunning them for many years, I've started using glueless patches
again. Though the old ones were unreliable, the newer ones seem pretty
good. A couple of mine have almost a year on them, with no trouble
whatsoever. These are the Park GP-2 ones.

With these working so well, I don't see much reason to carry the old
fashioned kind anymore.

Any thoughts?

Matt O.

I received a pack of free ones last summer, and so far the ones I've
used have worked very well. The oldest probably has six months on it.
These are red ones made by Wrenchforce.

Incidentally, there's a label on the back of the package that says
"Chain Reaction Bicycles". They must have given these out at some
cycling event I attended. Thanks Mike J.!

Todd Tracy said:

I received a pack of free ones last summer, and so far the ones I've
used have worked very well. The oldest probably has six months on it.
These are red ones made by Wrenchforce.

So what's the big deal with glueless patches? I mean, you've still got
to release the brake, remove the (invariably rear) wheel, get the tire
off the rim, find the hole, check the tire for the
wire/glass/staple/whatever, then patch, remount the tube and tire,
pump it up, remount the wheel, clean your hands, and [don't forget!]
reset the brake to normal mode.

The time spent rubbing the tire with the 120 grit paper, spreading the
glue, etc, doesn't seem to be an incrimentally large amount, and I'm
not even sure that you can skip the tire roughening step with the
glueless patches.

Can anyone educate me on this matter? Is it the fear of a dried out
glue tube? Are glueless patches ready to ride on right away?

Can anyone educate me on this matter? Is it the fear of a dried out
glue tube? Are glueless patches ready to ride on right away?

In my opinion, anything that saves effort and time is worth looking
into.
Others might not see any benefit though, it becomes a preference.
Archie A.

Brian Huntley said:

Todd Tracy said:

I received a pack of free ones last summer, and so far the ones I've
used have worked very well. The oldest probably has six months on it.
These are red ones made by Wrenchforce.

So what's the big deal with glueless patches? I mean, you've still got
to release the brake, remove the (invariably rear) wheel, get the tire
off the rim, find the hole, check the tire for the
wire/glass/staple/whatever, then patch, remount the tube and tire,
pump it up, remount the wheel, clean your hands, and [don't forget!]
reset the brake to normal mode.

The time spent rubbing the tire with the 120 grit paper, spreading the
glue, etc, doesn't seem to be an incrimentally large amount, and I'm
not even sure that you can skip the tire roughening step with the
glueless patches.

Can anyone educate me on this matter? Is it the fear of a dried out
glue tube? Are glueless patches ready to ride on right away?

I've only used one glueless patch in my life and I liked the fact that I
didn't need to worry about dry glue or whether I put enough glue on or
whether I let the glue set long enough before sticking the patch on.

I still have that one patch on a tube still in my tire right now so I'm
tempted to switch to glueless. This thread may help my decision. I
don't know what brand it was because it was given to me by my riding
partner after having gone through 12 of my own Rema patches due to
yuccas on one ride.

Greg

--
"All my time I spent in heaven
Revelries of dance and wine
Waking to the sound of laughter
Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons

"Archie A." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Can anyone educate me on this matter? Is it the fear of a dried out
glue tube? Are glueless patches ready to ride on right away?

In my opinion, anything that saves effort and time is worth looking
into.
Others might not see any benefit though, it becomes a preference.
Archie A.

I like glueless patches to be on hand so that I have the option of doing a
quick fix in bad weather or at night. I like to leave the spare tube that I
carry as a last resort. I do not consider a glueless patch a permanent
repair.

I have a bunch of extra small tubes of good quality glue that I use to
supply my repair kits. But none of the stuff in tubes compairs to the stuff
I found in an auto parts store that is packaged in a can. So I'd rather do a
permanent repair in my shop where the good glue and were my rotary tool are.
I use a Dremel to grind a seam down if necessary to get the best possible
lay of a patch.

Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY

I keep one in the seat bag as backup in case my unopened glue dried up. I
carry one spare tube, a new patch kit and a glueless patch, used in that
order. However my glueless patch is so old >10 years that it may not work
now. I never needed it.

cel

"G.T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Brian Huntley said:

Todd Tracy said:

I received a pack of free ones last summer, and so far the ones I've
used have worked very well. The oldest probably has six months on it.
These are red ones made by Wrenchforce.

So what's the big deal with glueless patches? I mean, you've still got
to release the brake, remove the (invariably rear) wheel, get the tire
off the rim, find the hole, check the tire for the
wire/glass/staple/whatever, then patch, remount the tube and tire,
pump it up, remount the wheel, clean your hands, and [don't forget!]
reset the brake to normal mode.

The time spent rubbing the tire with the 120 grit paper, spreading the
glue, etc, doesn't seem to be an incrimentally large amount, and I'm
not even sure that you can skip the tire roughening step with the
glueless patches.

Can anyone educate me on this matter? Is it the fear of a dried out
glue tube? Are glueless patches ready to ride on right away?

I've only used one glueless patch in my life and I liked the fact that I
didn't need to worry about dry glue or whether I put enough glue on or
whether I let the glue set long enough before sticking the patch on.

I still have that one patch on a tube still in my tire right now so I'm
tempted to switch to glueless. This thread may help my decision. I
don't know what brand it was because it was given to me by my riding
partner after having gone through 12 of my own Rema patches due to
yuccas on one ride.

Greg

--
"All my time I spent in heaven
Revelries of dance and wine
Waking to the sound of laughter
Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons

By glueless do you mean those Park peel off the back and stick on patches?
They're for getting you home quickly if you don't have the time to put a Rema
patch on, which you'll have to do in a few days after the Park lets the air
out of the tube slowly.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I keep one in the seat bag as backup in case my unopened glue dried up. I
carry one spare tube, a new patch kit and a glueless patch, used in that
order. However my glueless patch is so old >10 years that it may not work
now. I never needed it.

cel

"G.T." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Brian Huntley said:

Todd Tracy wrote:

>I received a pack of free ones last summer, and so far the ones I've
>used have worked very well. The oldest probably has six months on it.
>These are red ones made by Wrenchforce.

So what's the big deal with glueless patches? I mean, you've still got
to release the brake, remove the (invariably rear) wheel, get the tire
off the rim, find the hole, check the tire for the
wire/glass/staple/whatever, then patch, remount the tube and tire,
pump it up, remount the wheel, clean your hands, and [don't forget!]
reset the brake to normal mode.

The time spent rubbing the tire with the 120 grit paper, spreading the
glue, etc, doesn't seem to be an incrimentally large amount, and I'm
not even sure that you can skip the tire roughening step with the
glueless patches.

Can anyone educate me on this matter? Is it the fear of a dried out
glue tube? Are glueless patches ready to ride on right away?

I've only used one glueless patch in my life and I liked the fact that I
didn't need to worry about dry glue or whether I put enough glue on or
whether I let the glue set long enough before sticking the patch on.

I still have that one patch on a tube still in my tire right now so I'm
tempted to switch to glueless. This thread may help my decision. I
don't know what brand it was because it was given to me by my riding
partner after having gone through 12 of my own Rema patches due to
yuccas on one ride.

Greg

--
"All my time I spent in heaven
Revelries of dance and wine
Waking to the sound of laughter
Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons

Todd Tracy said:

Matt O'Toole said:

After shunning them for many years, I've started using glueless
patches again. Though the old ones were unreliable, the newer ones
seem pretty good. A couple of mine have almost a year on them, with
no trouble whatsoever. These are the Park GP-2 ones.

With these working so well, I don't see much reason to carry the old
fashioned kind anymore.

Any thoughts?

Matt O.

I received a pack of free ones last summer, and so far the ones I've
used have worked very well. The oldest probably has six months on it.
These are red ones made by Wrenchforce.

Incidentally, there's a label on the back of the package that says
"Chain Reaction Bicycles". They must have given these out at some
cycling event I attended. Thanks Mike J.!

Hey it could have been us here in Gainesville:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=47.033113,82.441406&hl=en&q=chain+reaction+bicycles&ll=29.477861,-82.529297&spn=12.988162,20.610352
--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

rs said:

By glueless do you mean those Park peel off the back and stick on patches?

Yes. And funny but the one I put in 5 months ago is still holding air fine.

Greg

--
"All my time I spent in heaven
Revelries of dance and wine
Waking to the sound of laughter
Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons

Quoted message said:

So what's the big deal with glueless patches? I mean, you've still got
to release the brake, remove the (invariably rear) wheel, get the tire
off the rim, find the hole, check the tire for the
wire/glass/staple/whatever, then patch, remount the tube and tire,
pump it up, remount the wheel, clean your hands, and [don't forget!]
reset the brake to normal mode.

The "big deal" about glueless patches has nothing to do with saving time and
everything to do with not discovering that your tube of glue, used just once
a couple months prior, has dried up so you now have no way of fixing the
flat. If not for that, I'd stick with regular glue-type patches, if for no
other reason than ritual (it's what I grew up with). But, having said that,
I've had no failures whatsoever of the glueless versions.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

"Brian Huntley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Todd Tracy said:

I received a pack of free ones last summer, and so far the ones I've
used have worked very well. The oldest probably has six months on it.
These are red ones made by Wrenchforce.

So what's the big deal with glueless patches? I mean, you've still got
to release the brake, remove the (invariably rear) wheel, get the tire
off the rim, find the hole, check the tire for the
wire/glass/staple/whatever, then patch, remount the tube and tire,
pump it up, remount the wheel, clean your hands, and [don't forget!]
reset the brake to normal mode.

The time spent rubbing the tire with the 120 grit paper, spreading the
glue, etc, doesn't seem to be an incrimentally large amount, and I'm
not even sure that you can skip the tire roughening step with the
glueless patches.

Can anyone educate me on this matter? Is it the fear of a dried out
glue tube? Are glueless patches ready to ride on right away?

In article <[email hidden]>, gary

jacobson said:

I have a bunch of extra small tubes of good quality glue that I use to
supply my repair kits. But none of the stuff in tubes compairs to the stuff
I found in an auto parts store that is packaged in a can. So I'd rather do a
permanent repair in my shop where the good glue and were my rotary tool are.
I use a Dremel to grind a seam down if necessary to get the best possible
lay of a patch.

Often the location of the puncture vis a tube's seam is the bane of
patching a flat. That's why my first response is almost always to swap
out the ruptured tube with a spare (don't leave home without it), and
subsequently patch the puncture at my leisure. Often I trim the patch
so that it doesn't straddle the tube's seam.

Luke

Matt O'Toole said:

After shunning them for many years, I've started using glueless patches
again. Though the old ones were unreliable, the newer ones seem pretty
good. A couple of mine have almost a year on them, with no trouble
whatsoever. These are the Park GP-2 ones.

I've been using some unidentified glueless patches, that must be about
10 years old... look like very thin closed cell foam. They work
perfectly. I think it is important to scrape from the center out to the
edges (fingernail) to remove air and make the patch "one" with the
tube. I haven't had any fail or start to leak out of at least 20
patches. That is better than I do with "real" patches.

In article <[email hidden]>, Matt

O'Toole () said:

After shunning them for many years, I've started using glueless patches
again. Though the old ones were unreliable, the newer ones seem pretty
good. A couple of mine have almost a year on them, with no trouble
whatsoever. These are the Park GP-2 ones.

With these working so well, I don't see much reason to carry the old
fashioned kind anymore.

Any thoughts?

The Woman Formerly Known As Mrs Larrington used to use the Park ones
all the time and ,except for their occasional relinquishing of their
attachment to the tube after a year or so, had no trouble with them.

I, however, had some for emergency use in the bag on last year's Rural
South 300 and, on calling them into service after the P+nct+r+ Fairy had
had her wicked way with the flints of Hampshire. And I could /not/
persuade them to remain properly attached to the tubes.

They're still in the bag, but it will have to be the Worst P+nct+r+ Day
In The History Of All Things Ever before I am tempted to use them
again...

--
Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
The Real Slim Shady's gone to play tennis.

Phil said:

Todd Tracy said:

Incidentally, there's a label on the back of the package that says
"Chain Reaction Bicycles". They must have given these out at some
cycling event I attended. Thanks Mike J.!

Hey it could have been us here in Gainesville:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=47.033113,82.441406&hl=en&q=chain+reaction+bicycles&ll=29.477861,-82.529297&spn=12.988162,20.610352

I think you missed one in Maryville, TN (wonder how much of their
clientele works at Oak Ridge?).

Pat

Luke said:

In article <[email hidden]>, gary jacobson

Quoted message said:

I have a bunch of extra small tubes of good quality glue that I use to
supply my repair kits. But none of the stuff in tubes compairs to the
stuff I found in an auto parts store that is packaged in a can. So I'd
rather do a permanent repair in my shop where the good glue and were my
rotary tool are. I use a Dremel to grind a seam down if necessary to get
the best possible lay of a patch.

Often the location of the puncture vis a tube's seam is the bane of
patching a flat. That's why my first response is almost always to swap out
the ruptured tube with a spare (don't leave home without it), and
subsequently patch the puncture at my leisure. Often I trim the patch so
that it doesn't straddle the tube's seam.

I use a spare tube and patch later too, because it's best to let a patch
cure before riding on it, plus it often saves time on a ride when other
people are waiting.

These days I use only Michelin tubes, which have almost no seams. I've
found the best way to deal with seams is with a cartridge razor blade
(Atra, etc.), which fits in a patch kit.

I don't have too much trouble with patch glue -- unless I don't allow it
to cure before riding. If any patches ever fail, it is fresh ones. I
know because after reading Jobst's FAQ article on this many years ago, I
kept track of which patches were ridden fresh, by marking them with a
grease pencil. Since then, I've never ridden a fresh patch when it could
be avoided, and I've never had a patch failure.

Anyway, if glueless patches work reliably, there's no reason to worry
about any of this.

Matt O.

3 riders in the graveyard planted next to several mustang owners

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

After shunning them for many years, I've started using glueless patches
again. Though the old ones were unreliable, the newer ones seem pretty
good. A couple of mine have almost a year on them, with no trouble
whatsoever. These are the Park GP-2 ones.
With these working so well, I don't see much reason to carry the old
fashioned kind anymore.
Any thoughts?

I carry them all the time. I also carry a spare tube. If I get a flat, the
spare tube goes in. In case I get a second flat, I keep the glueless patches.
It's been some time since I got two flats on one ride. When I have had to use
the glueless patches, they have worked well for me. They covered the hole with
no leaks. But, the patches all failed a year later. So you should consider
them temporary patches.
-----------------
Alex

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

So what's the big deal with glueless patches? I mean, you've still got
to release the brake, remove the (invariably rear) wheel, get the tire
off the rim, find the hole, check the tire for the
wire/glass/staple/whatever, then patch, remount the tube and tire,
pump it up, remount the wheel, clean your hands, and [don't forget!]
reset the brake to normal mode.
The time spent rubbing the tire with the 120 grit paper, spreading the
glue, etc, doesn't seem to be an incrimentally large amount, and I'm
not even sure that you can skip the tire roughening step with the
glueless patches.
Can anyone educate me on this matter? Is it the fear of a dried out
glue tube? Are glueless patches ready to ride on right away?

With glueless patches you still have to use sandpaper to clean up the area
around the patch. The only reason I carry them is that I get very few flats.
So with regular patches the glue usually dries up before I patch a second time.
So to prevent getting stuck on the side of the road with no glue, I use the
glueless patches. With glueless patches you patch and ride. No waiting
necessary.
---------------
Alex