406 tyres

Tim Hall said:

I'm running an Alex DV15 rim and Schwalbe Cityjet 406-20 on the front
of my Pino.

It's a complete [censored] to get the tyre on and off

Quoted message said:

Anyway is anyone else using this size rim? (Mr. Larrington, that means
you). What tyre are you running on it? Will a wider tyre be easier to
fit?

I'm not Mr L, but I do use the same rim 20" 406 on the front of the
Trice. I'm presently using Primo Comets - fast and slick and they go on
and off very easily.

On the 20" 451 rims on the Bike Friday I have Stevios and they are OK
too, though I am suffering an overdose of flats with them.

Stev

Tim Hall said:

I'm running an Alex DV15 rim and Schwalbe Cityjet 406-20 on the front
of my Pino.

It's a complete [censored] to get the tyre on and off - I was dreading
getting a puncture when I first fitted it, but finally got one this
weekend. It was a struggle and I had to resort to using levers to put
the tyre _on_, something I've never done before. Hooray for Park Tools
blue levers.

Anyway is anyone else using this size rim? (Mr. Larrington, that means
you). What tyre are you running on it? Will a wider tyre be easier to
fit?

Tim
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I'll only make your misery worse, sorry. I run 406's on my Hurricane,
Alex DA-16 rims with folding Schwalbe Stelvios. Don't need tyre levers
at all to get them on and off, but I imagine they are much more
flexible and narrower than yours.

I've heard some folks recommend a Crank Bros speed lever as a lifesaver
with tyres like yours. I've never tried them myself, mind.
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?W=0&Manufacturer=&UberCatName=&Cat=cycle&CategoryName=&ProdID=5360019204&UberCat=0

Tim Hall said:

I'm running an Alex DV15 rim and Schwalbe Cityjet 406-20 on the front
of my Pino.

Anyway is anyone else using this size rim? (Mr. Larrington, that means
you). What tyre are you running on it? Will a wider tyre be easier to
fit?

Yes, DV15 on the trice. Schwalbe marathon slicks on teh front are a
pig to get off (I've bent a few levers) but I can _just_ get them on
by hand. I've never taken the marathon off teh back (which says
something, given that it's had 3.5 years of daily commuting including
off-road track).

regards, Ian SMith
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Tim Hall said:

I'm running an Alex DV15 rim and Schwalbe Cityjet 406-20 on the front
of my Pino.

Quoted message said:

Anyway is anyone else using this size rim? (Mr. Larrington, that means
you). What tyre are you running on it? Will a wider tyre be easier to
fit?

I have 406 sized Alex rims on my Taifun, don't know if they are DV15's
because, [censored] that I am, I took the stickers off. My only experience
of tyres for these rims so far have been Continental Contact Sport
(1.3) and they are as big a [censored] to get on and off as your
CityJets.

Sorry I can't offer a suggestion, just that Contact Sports won't
improve things much.

"Bob"
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Email address is spam trapped, to reply directly remove the beverage.

LSMike said:

I've heard some folks recommend a Crank Bros speed lever as a lifesaver
with tyres like yours. I've never tried them myself, mind.
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?W=0&Manufacturer=&UberCatName=&Cat=cycle&CategoryName=&ProdID=5360019204&UberCat=0

These were just great until they broke... They were fine on narrowish
700Cs but I broke em on 26"x1.90" rims, which are the very devil to
remove/refit. I was thinking of trying one of them VAR yokes next -
anyone anything good to say about them?

I use this size on my Moulton. Firstly, any inaccuracy in the rim size
(circumference) will have an effect on the ease of fitting, all the greater
on a smaller wheel. Secondly, I find it essential, when fitting the last few
inches of the bead, to ensure that the bead on the diametrically opposite
side if the wheel is pushed down into the well of the rim, to provide
greater slack.

In article <[email hidden]>, Tim Hall

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Anyway is anyone else using this size rim? (Mr. Larrington, that means
you). What tyre are you running on it? Will a wider tyre be easier to
fit?

Alex DV15 & Schwalbe Marathon Slicks 1.35" on the Trice. They are
absolutes sods to get on and off. The original Stelvios were easier,
but not really up to trike use, so I wouldn't rate 'em for a tandem
either.

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History!

Dave Larrington said:

Alex DV15 & Schwalbe Marathon Slicks 1.35" on the Trice. They are
absolutes sods to get on and off.

I've got a one and three eighths of a king's thumb Marathon Slick on the
Alexa 425X (406x25mm) on the front of the Ross. I put it on with no
trouble -- and haven't had to take it off since. Which is nice.

The Crank Bros tyre lever (also sold as "Raleigh" at one time) is so good
I've even bought them to give to friends.

Mike

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<[email hidden]>, Mike

Causer (') said:

The Crank Bros tyre lever (also sold as "Raleigh" at one time) is so
good I've even bought them to give to friends.

I bought one, tried it, wasn't greatly impressed. It works, ish. My
partner, who has trouble with conventional levers, also tried it, and
decided it didn't merit space in her bike bag. It seems to me no easier
than conventional levers, and the telescoping mechanism seems rather
flimsy. If it broke, you'd be stuck. Whereas is you break one of three
conventional levers you can normally finish the job with the other two.

Where do you see the advantage?

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;; lakes, running streams and transforms it into a mountain of junk,
;; garbage, slime pits, and debris. -- Edward Abbey

Simon Brooke said:

Where do you see the advantage?

It definitely does a good job of getting really tight tyres on and off
rims. The bit that goes under the tyre bead is thinner than with a
conventional lever, and the pushing action avoids the need to get a
second or third lever in. They also don't go boing and disappear into
the scenery if the tyre fights back.

They're not the perfect solution though. It's easy to skin your
knuckles on the spokes if you're not careful. It's also too easy to
pinch a tube when using it to put a tyre back on. And finally it
eventually wears out so that the hook breaks off and leaves you
stranded if it's your only lever.

--
Dave...

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Brooke () said:

I bought one, tried it, wasn't greatly impressed. It works, ish. My
partner, who has trouble with conventional levers, also tried it, and
decided it didn't merit space in her bike bag. It seems to me no easier
than conventional levers, and the telescoping mechanism seems rather
flimsy. If it broke, you'd be stuck. Whereas is you break one of three
conventional levers you can normally finish the job with the other two.

Ditto. It borke. I was obliged to go and rescue TWFKAML by motorcar.
Bah!

A Several of Someone Elses have recommended the VAR tyre fitting tool
<URL:http://www.bikeplus.co.uk/graphics/var%20Tool.th.jpg> as a solution
to getting the buggers on and at seven quid it's probably worth a punt.

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Wood is an excellent material for making trees, but is otherwise not to
be trusted.

Running wired 35-406 Vredestein S-Licks on Jetset CH E280 (406-18) rims
on my Challenge Mistral. Pleased to say that they only need light
lever assistance to remove and can be replaced by thumb.
FWIW I've found that kevlar beaded MTB tyres are usually easier to fit
than wired (hence my pleasure wrt the wired S-Licks).

Tim Hall said:

I'm running an Alex DV15 rim and Schwalbe Cityjet 406-20 on the front
of my Pino.

It's a complete [censored] to get the tyre on and off ...

It becomes a lot easier if you put a bit of water with a little washing
up liquid on the last bit of the rim & tyre.

Also, try turning the tyre so that the bit you can't quite get on is
resting against your torso and then starting at the furthest edge of the
rim grab the tyre, pinch it together and pull it towards you. It pulls
the beads down into the rim and moves all the slack to were you want it.

Small tyres can be a pain but they're not _that_ bad

Alex

Alexander Rice said:

Small tyres can be a pain but they're not _that_ bad

They can be. Even doing everything you suggest and more, they can
be very very bad.

regards, Ian SMith
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Ian Smith said:

Alexander Rice said:

Small tyres can be a pain but they're not _that_ bad

They can be. Even doing everything you suggest and more, they can
be very very bad.

Especially on the back of a Brommie in the cold rain and sleet :-(

John b

Ian Smith said:

Alexander Rice said:

Small tyres can be a pain but they're not _that_ bad

They can be. Even doing everything you suggest and more, they can
be very very bad.

Bad they may be, but very unlikely to be anywhere near as tough as some
of the motorcycle tyres I've had to do. Most bicycle tyres seem rather
minor in comparison, IME.

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Alexander Rice () said:

It becomes a lot easier if you put a bit of water with a little washing
up liquid on the last bit of the rim & tyre.

Though this is rarely available on top of Butser Hill in the middle of a
downpour...

Quoted message said:

Small tyres can be a pain but they're not _that_ bad

These ones are. Trust me, I'm a Dokta^w Darksider of more than twenty
years standing^w lying down, and I've yet to come across anything
remotely as bad.

--
Dave "Thumbs" Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>

Dave Larrington said:

These ones are. Trust me, I'm a Dokta^w Darksider of more than twenty
years standing^w lying down, and I've yet to come across anything remotely
as bad.

Pah! Yoof of today, mumble... I've been using 17" bicycle tyres since
1983 and not had any problem getting them on or off. 18" motorbike tyres
were total and utter [censored] on the single attempt I've made to change
them at home.

Mike

In article <pan.2006.02.06.23.58.34.720040
@firstnamelastname.com.invalid>, Mike Causer

() said:

Dave Larrington said:

These ones are. Trust me, I'm a Dokta^w Darksider of more than twenty
years standing^w lying down, and I've yet to come across anything remotely
as bad.

Pah! Yoof of today, mumble... I've been using 17" bicycle tyres since
1983 and not had any problem getting them on or off. 18" motorbike tyres
were total and utter [censored] on the single attempt I've made to change
them at home.

17's are something of a movable feast; I am given to understand that the
quality control on both rims and tyres were a bit hit and miss in the
Wolber days. Mike Burrows reported having one rim that was /so/
oversized he was obliged to cut a section out of it and weld it back
together! I never had one that bad, but the occasional tyre could be a
bit of a swine to get on. The Bridgestones were usually harder work
than the Wolber / Moulton jobs too.

--
Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
Also using 17" tyres from 1983 to 2001