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  1. I was off today and decided to repair some sections of my local trails.
    One particular section is in a perpetually muddy area with no
    redirect available (the highest spot is where the current trail is). It
    is quite a ways in from the road and bringing planking for a boardwalk
    would not be easy. What are your thoughts on the use of corduroy to
    improve the muddy section? Folks at IMBA are not to keen on it because
    it breaks down over time and would just contribute to the mud. I plan
    on using what dead hardwood (mostly pin oak) I can find laying around
    that area.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

  2. "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    I was off today and decided to repair some sections of my local trails. One
    particular section is in a perpetually muddy area with no redirect
    available (the highest spot is where the current trail is). It is quite a
    ways in from the road and bringing planking for a boardwalk would not be
    easy. What are your thoughts on the use of corduroy to improve the muddy
    section? Folks at IMBA are not to keen on it because it breaks down over
    time and would just contribute to the mud. I plan on using what dead
    hardwood (mostly pin oak) I can find laying around that area.

    Depending on how large an area, building a "sump" might work.

    A sump is simply a drainage basin, immediately adjacent to the trail, that
    the water will drain into, allowing time for the water soak into the ground.

    This works very well on flat terrain here on Long Island

    SB

  3. Clashes with lycra, but what the hey...

    Seriously, if the trail traffic isn't too heavy, it will last until the
    season dries out - or is there a natural spring there to keep it wet?
    Boardwalks require some under-structure, and if the ground is soft enough it
    will eventually get down to mud level regardless.

    I've added some local rockwork to some muddier sections of trails, it will
    settle to provide "footings" for whatever cover you decide to add, assuming
    you have enough material and time to do the work. Around where my little
    trails are, volcanic chunk rock is a very accessible material. Sometimes
    rocks alone make it rideable so no further additions are required.

    IMHO, I'd add just enough material (rocks or lycra!) to prevent any other
    riders from doing a ride-around and causing trail erosion.

    "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I was off today and decided to repair some sections of my local trails.
    One particular section is in a perpetually muddy area with no
    redirect available (the highest spot is where the current trail is). It
    is quite a ways in from the road and bringing planking for a boardwalk
    would not be easy. What are your thoughts on the use of corduroy to
    improve the muddy section? Folks at IMBA are not to keen on it because
    it breaks down over time and would just contribute to the mud. I plan
    on using what dead hardwood (mostly pin oak) I can find laying around
    that area.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

  4. SB said:

    "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    I was off today and decided to repair some sections of my local trails. One
    particular section is in a perpetually muddy area with no redirect
    available (the highest spot is where the current trail is). It is quite a
    ways in from the road and bringing planking for a boardwalk would not be
    easy. What are your thoughts on the use of corduroy to improve the muddy
    section? Folks at IMBA are not to keen on it because it breaks down over
    time and would just contribute to the mud. I plan on using what dead
    hardwood (mostly pin oak) I can find laying around that area.

    Depending on how large an area, building a "sump" might work.

    A sump is simply a drainage basin, immediately adjacent to the trail, that
    the water will drain into, allowing time for the water soak into the ground.

    This works very well on flat terrain here on Long Island

    SB

    That sounds interesting. The trail in this area is already a bit sunken
    though since it was originally a motoX trail. i have been trying to
    build it up with pine needles and whatever drier soil I can find. I
    will check the sloping of that area next time.

    Thanks.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

  5. GWood said:


    "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I was off today and decided to repair some sections of my local trails.
    One particular section is in a perpetually muddy area with no
    redirect available (the highest spot is where the current trail is). It
    is quite a ways in from the road and bringing planking for a boardwalk
    would not be easy. What are your thoughts on the use of corduroy to
    improve the muddy section? Folks at IMBA are not to keen on it because
    it breaks down over time and would just contribute to the mud. I plan
    on using what dead hardwood (mostly pin oak) I can find laying around
    that area.


    Clashes with lycra, but what the hey...

    Seriously, if the trail traffic isn't too heavy, it will last until the
    season dries out - or is there a natural spring there to keep it wet?
    Boardwalks require some under-structure, and if the ground is soft enough it
    will eventually get down to mud level regardless.

    I've added some local rockwork to some muddier sections of trails, it will
    settle to provide "footings" for whatever cover you decide to add, assuming
    you have enough material and time to do the work. Around where my little
    trails are, volcanic chunk rock is a very accessible material. Sometimes
    rocks alone make it rideable so no further additions are required.

    IMHO, I'd add just enough material (rocks or lycra!) to prevent any other
    riders from doing a ride-around and causing trail erosion.

    Rocks? LOL! I'm lucky to find anything other than pine. There's some
    old broken concrete slabs within a few hundred feet, but I would need a
    tractor to move it. In order to ride around this area, someone will
    have to clean out all of the thorn bushes. That would be a lot of work.
    So, I think this is the route (always has been). I am going to do the
    corduroy this weekend and we'll see what happens. It is not a high
    traffic trail.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

  6. Ride-A-Lot said:

    I was off today and decided to repair some sections of my local
    trails. One particular section is in a perpetually muddy area with
    no
    redirect available (the highest spot is where the current trail is).
    It is quite a ways in from the road and bringing planking for a
    boardwalk would not be easy. What are your thoughts on the use of
    corduroy to improve the muddy section? Folks at IMBA are not to keen
    on it because it breaks down over time and would just contribute to
    the mud. I plan on using what dead hardwood (mostly pin oak) I can
    find laying around that area.

    Since another problem with courduroy is the sticks releasing when the ground
    dries up and get caught in your spokes I've made corduroy that was tied
    together with jute cord (Indiana Jones swinging bridge fashon) and buried.
    It held up for quite a while. It was only some short sections though.

    Mike

  7. Per Ride-A-Lot:

    Quoted message said:

    I plan
    on using what dead hardwood (mostly pin oak) I can find laying around
    that area.

    It can make the area more "interesting" if/when some of those pieces become
    oriented with the flow of traffic... as in "eat mud" as the front wheel washes
    out following that piece of slippery wood at a slightly different angle from the
    intended line.
    --
    PeteCresswell

  8. Yeah, put up a log stack on top of it!

    --
    - Zilla
    Cary, NC USA
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    "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I was off today and decided to repair some sections of my local trails.
    One particular section is in a perpetually muddy area with no
    redirect available (the highest spot is where the current trail is). It
    is quite a ways in from the road and bringing planking for a boardwalk
    would not be easy. What are your thoughts on the use of corduroy to
    improve the muddy section? Folks at IMBA are not to keen on it because
    it breaks down over time and would just contribute to the mud. I plan
    on using what dead hardwood (mostly pin oak) I can find laying around
    that area.

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

  9. Just curious. Where is "here"?

    "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Rocks? LOL! I'm lucky to find anything other than pine.

  10. GWood said:

    Just curious. Where is "here"?

    "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Rocks? LOL! I'm lucky to find anything other than pine.

    http://www.schnauzers.ws/here.jpg

    On the border of Marlton and Medford, NJ. The gateway to the Pine
    Barrens. Home of sugarsand, pine trees, cranberry bogs, and NOT ONE
    STINKING ROCK! It's like God played some foul joke on this place and
    said "Thou shalt have no rocks". Perfect place to be a Islamic Infidel.
    Can't have a stoning when there are no stones!

    --
    o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
    www.schnauzers.ws

  11. Ride-A-Lot said:
    GWood said:

    Just curious. Where is "here"?

    "Ride-A-Lot" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Rocks? LOL! I'm lucky to find anything other than pine.

    http://www.schnauzers.ws/here.jpg

    On the border of Marlton and Medford, NJ. The gateway to the Pine
    Barrens. Home of sugarsand, pine trees, cranberry bogs, and NOT ONE
    STINKING ROCK! It's like God played some foul joke on this place and
    said "Thou shalt have no rocks". Perfect place to be a Islamic Infidel.
    Can't have a stoning when there are no stones!

    You could still have a "sanding" for the Infidels.
    Maybe not quite as effective, but who likes to be all gritty?

  12. Let's not forget "pinings". All that pitch and stuff.

    You want rocks, just say the word. I'll send 'em COD. They make for a
    tough dismount when things go wrong.

    "MattB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    You could still have a "sanding" for the Infidels.
    Maybe not quite as effective, but who likes to be all gritty?

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