A little help please...............

In article <[email hidden]>,

theoulfella said:

Hi All,
Long-time lurker, first-time poster. I need a little help on the Carb
content of foods. When choosing foodstuffs i obviously note the carb
content, and i know that fibre carbs can be subtracted from that figure,
but some labels have something similar to the following;

Carbs........... 5.0g
(of which sugars)0.8g
Fibre........... 3.3g

Does this mean that for the purposes of this way of eating i should take
the carb content to be 1.7g (Carb - Fibre) or is it only the carbs from
sugars (0.8g) which are relevant?
Or in fact if i am completely mistaken i would appreciate being put on
the right road, and sincerest apologies if this has been done to death
on here.

Many thanks for all your help and efforts.
Happy New Year to all

You have it right... :-)

Subtract the fiber grams from the total carb grams for "net carbs".
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

theoulfella said:

Hi All,
Long-time lurker, first-time poster. I need a little help on the Carb
content of foods. When choosing foodstuffs i obviously note the carb
content, and i know that fibre carbs can be subtracted from that
figure, but some labels have something similar to the following;

Carbs........... 5.0g
(of which sugars)0.8g
Fibre........... 3.3g

Does this mean that for the purposes of this way of eating i should
take the carb content to be 1.7g (Carb - Fibre) or is it only the
carbs from sugars (0.8g) which are relevant?
Or in fact if i am completely mistaken i would appreciate being put on
the right road, and sincerest apologies if this has been done to death
on here.

Many thanks for all your help and efforts.
Happy New Year to all

It depends. Many packaged foods not originating from the US already have the
fiber subtracted from the carb count. You need to make sure you aren't
subtracting it a second time.
--
Jeri
"Change is inevitable, except from vending machines."

In article <[email hidden]>,

Jeri said:

theoulfella said:

Hi All,
Long-time lurker, first-time poster. I need a little help on the Carb
content of foods. When choosing foodstuffs i obviously note the carb
content, and i know that fibre carbs can be subtracted from that
figure, but some labels have something similar to the following;

Carbs........... 5.0g
(of which sugars)0.8g
Fibre........... 3.3g

Does this mean that for the purposes of this way of eating i should
take the carb content to be 1.7g (Carb - Fibre) or is it only the
carbs from sugars (0.8g) which are relevant?
Or in fact if i am completely mistaken i would appreciate being put on
the right road, and sincerest apologies if this has been done to death
on here.

Many thanks for all your help and efforts.
Happy New Year to all

It depends. Many packaged foods not originating from the US already have the
fiber subtracted from the carb count. You need to make sure you aren't
subtracting it a second time.

Sorry dear, but I have yet to see that on any package labels I have
read. ;-)

Look at sugar, fiber, add them together and it should equal the total
carb content.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Not true, I have seen lots of labels where the fiber and sugar don't add up
to total carbs. There are carbs other than sugar and fiber.

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Sorry dear, but I have yet to see that on any package labels I have
read. ;-)

Look at sugar, fiber, add them together and it should equal the total
carb content.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Jeri said:

theoulfella said:

Hi All,
Long-time lurker, first-time poster. I need a little help on the Carb
content of foods. When choosing foodstuffs i obviously note the carb
content, and i know that fibre carbs can be subtracted from that
figure, but some labels have something similar to the following;

Carbs........... 5.0g
(of which sugars)0.8g
Fibre........... 3.3g

Does this mean that for the purposes of this way of eating i should
take the carb content to be 1.7g (Carb - Fibre) or is it only the
carbs from sugars (0.8g) which are relevant?
Or in fact if i am completely mistaken i would appreciate being put on
the right road, and sincerest apologies if this has been done to death
on here.

Many thanks for all your help and efforts.
Happy New Year to all

It depends. Many packaged foods not originating from the US already have
the
fiber subtracted from the carb count. You need to make sure you aren't
subtracting it a second time.

Sorry dear, but I have yet to see that on any package labels I have
read. ;-)

Look at sugar, fiber, add them together and it should equal the total
carb content.

Hmmm, I have some almonds in my hand and the container say:

Total Carb. 5g
Dietary Fiber 3g
Sugar 1g
Protein 6g
I get 4g when I add them up vs 5g total (Unless, theres the rounding up
thing I have to do) Ok, I'll agree with OM then.

--
Joe
T2 Nov '05
30mg Actos,3gr Cinnamon, Diet(100 carbs) & 3 mile walk(everyday) &
BowFlex(3x a week)

*****Diabetes, be proactive, not reactive.*****

In article <[email hidden]>,

FOB said:

Not true, I have seen lots of labels where the fiber and sugar don't add up
to total carbs. There are carbs other than sugar and fiber.

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Sorry dear, but I have yet to see that on any package labels I have
read. ;-)

Look at sugar, fiber, add them together and it should equal the total
carb content.

Ok, I have too, when it involves "alcohol carbs".

But I don't eat [censored].

What I was talking about was REAL food, not frankenfood.

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> In article <[email hidden]>,
:> "FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>
:>> Not true, I have seen lots of labels where the fiber and sugar
:>> don't add up to total carbs. There are carbs other than sugar and
:>> fiber.
:>>
:>>
:>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:>> news:[email hidden]...
:>>
:>> Sorry dear, but I have yet to see that on any package labels I have
:>> read. ;-)
:>>
:>> Look at sugar, fiber, add them together and it should equal the
:>> total
:>> carb content.
:>
:> Ok, I have too, when it involves "alcohol carbs".
:>
:> But I don't eat [censored].
:>
:> What I was talking about was REAL food, not frankenfood.

Starches.

:>
:> Cheers!
:> --
:> Om.
:>
:> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]."
:> -Jack Nicholson

Jeri <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> theoulfella <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>> Hi All,
:>> Long-time lurker, first-time poster. I need a little help on the
:>> Carb content of foods. When choosing foodstuffs i obviously note
:>> the carb content, and i know that fibre carbs can be subtracted
:>> from that
:>> figure, but some labels have something similar to the following;
:>>
:>> Carbs........... 5.0g
:>> (of which sugars)0.8g
:>> Fibre........... 3.3g
:>>
:>> Does this mean that for the purposes of this way of eating i should
:>> take the carb content to be 1.7g (Carb - Fibre) or is it only the
:>> carbs from sugars (0.8g) which are relevant?
:>> Or in fact if i am completely mistaken i would appreciate being put
:>> on
:>> the right road, and sincerest apologies if this has been done to
:>> death
:>> on here.
:>>
:>> Many thanks for all your help and efforts.
:>> Happy New Year to all
:>
:> It depends. Many packaged foods not originating from the US already
:> have the fiber subtracted from the carb count. You need to make sure
:> you aren't subtracting it a second time.

Indentation or lack of.

Okay, here are three cans I happen to have in my pantry. No sugar alcohols
in any of these:

Blackeye Peas, per 1/2 cup, total carbs - 15, Fiber - 4, Sugars - 0.
Butter Beans, per 1/2 cup, total - 20, fiber - 4, sugars - 1
White Hominy, 1/2 cup, total - 22, fiber - 4, sugar - 1

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Ok, I have too, when it involves "alcohol carbs".

But I don't eat [censored].

What I was talking about was REAL food, not frankenfood.

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...

Quoted message said:

Indentation or lack of.

Precisely. In the U.S., nutritional labels usually SHOW the fiber
content, but do not subtract them from the total carb count. In some
(or all?) European countries, the fiber is PRE-subtracted. In that
case, the fiber content info is indented under the carb section. So,
Om, you may not have seen it if you do not have any European foods in
your pantry. I haven't seen it, either, but that doesn't mean there
aren't any out there.

--
Saffire
205/132/125
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

*** This post originated in alt.support.diet.low-carb -- its appearance
in any other forum is deceptive and unauthorized. ***

In article <[email hidden]>,

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

FOB said:

Not true, I have seen lots of labels where the fiber and sugar don't add up
to total carbs. There are carbs other than sugar and fiber.

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Sorry dear, but I have yet to see that on any package labels I have
read. ;-)

Look at sugar, fiber, add them together and it should equal the total
carb content.

Ok, I have too, when it involves "alcohol carbs".

But I don't eat [censored].

What I was talking about was REAL food, not frankenfood.

Cheers!

Uh, yeah. I think everyone else was too. Do you think sugar, sugar
alcohols, and fiber are the only carbohydrates? Did you never hear of
starches? Also, don't food companies list carbohydrates by difference?
Which means after they've measured the calories from fat and protein,
anything left over is counted as a carbohydrate. Which, IIRC, is where
some of the yogurt confusion comes from.

FOB wrote:
|| Okay, here are three cans I happen to have in my pantry. No sugar
|| alcohols in any of these:
||
|| Blackeye Peas, per 1/2 cup, total carbs - 15, Fiber - 4, Sugars - 0.
|| Butter Beans, per 1/2 cup, total - 20, fiber - 4, sugars - 1
|| White Hominy, 1/2 cup, total - 22, fiber - 4, sugar - 1
||

I don't get it; what's the problem? The net carbs of you blackeye peas
would be 11. Why would you say they're subtracted alreay?
--
Peter
Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

I didn't say they were subtracted already. These were to demonstrate that
adding the fiber and the sugar carbs does NOT equal total carbs which is
what OM said.

"Marengo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:3ekwf.61703$4l5.29776@dukeread05...
FOB wrote:
|| Okay, here are three cans I happen to have in my pantry. No sugar
|| alcohols in any of these:
||
|| Blackeye Peas, per 1/2 cup, total carbs - 15, Fiber - 4, Sugars - 0.
|| Butter Beans, per 1/2 cup, total - 20, fiber - 4, sugars - 1
|| White Hominy, 1/2 cup, total - 22, fiber - 4, sugar - 1
||

I don't get it; what's the problem? The net carbs of you blackeye peas
would be 11. Why would you say they're subtracted alreay?
--
Peter
Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

Joe wrote:
|| "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
|| news:[email hidden]...
||| In article <[email hidden]>,
||| "Jeri" <[email hidden]> wrote:
|||
|||| theoulfella <[email hidden]> wrote:
||||| Hi All,
||||| Long-time lurker, first-time poster. I need a little help on the
||||| Carb content of foods. When choosing foodstuffs i obviously note
||||| the carb content, and i know that fibre carbs can be subtracted
||||| from that figure, but some labels have something similar to the
||||| following;
|||||
||||| Carbs........... 5.0g
||||| (of which sugars)0.8g
||||| Fibre........... 3.3g
|||||
||||| Does this mean that for the purposes of this way of eating i
||||| should take the carb content to be 1.7g (Carb - Fibre) or is it
||||| only the carbs from sugars (0.8g) which are relevant?
||||| Or in fact if i am completely mistaken i would appreciate being
||||| put on the right road, and sincerest apologies if this has been
||||| done to death on here.
|||||
||||| Many thanks for all your help and efforts.
||||| Happy New Year to all
||||
|||| It depends. Many packaged foods not originating from the US
|||| already have the
|||| fiber subtracted from the carb count. You need to make sure you
|||| aren't subtracting it a second time.
|||
||| Sorry dear, but I have yet to see that on any package labels I have
||| read. ;-)
|||
||| Look at sugar, fiber, add them together and it should equal the
||| total carb content.
|||
|| Hmmm, I have some almonds in my hand and the container say:
||
|| Total Carb. 5g
|| Dietary Fiber 3g
|| Sugar 1g
|| Protein 6g
|| I get 4g when I add them up vs 5g total (Unless, theres the rounding
|| up thing I have to do) Ok, I'll agree with OM then.
||
|| --
|| Joe
|| T2 Nov '05
|| 30mg Actos,3gr Cinnamon, Diet(100 carbs) & 3 mile walk(everyday) &
|| BowFlex(3x a week)
||
|| *****Diabetes, be proactive, not reactive.*****

I think you're confused because in the U.S. sugar and fiber grams are both
listed separately for convenience -- although they're both already included
in the carbohydrate count. Your almonds have 5 grams of carbs - 3g of
fiber = 2g of carbs net. It looks to me as if you're trying to add the
sugar and fiber to get the carb count. You can't do this because, as Om
pointed out, starches -- which are neither sugar nor fiber -- are often a
large part of the carb count and are not listed separately.
--
Peter
Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

FOB wrote:
|| I didn't say they were subtracted already. These were to
|| demonstrate that adding the fiber and the sugar carbs does NOT equal
|| total carbs which is what OM said.
||
|| "Marengo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
|| news:3ekwf.61703$4l5.29776@dukeread05...
|| FOB wrote:
|||| Okay, here are three cans I happen to have in my pantry. No sugar
|||| alcohols in any of these:
||||
|||| Blackeye Peas, per 1/2 cup, total carbs - 15, Fiber - 4, Sugars -
|||| 0. Butter Beans, per 1/2 cup, total - 20, fiber - 4, sugars - 1
|||| White Hominy, 1/2 cup, total - 22, fiber - 4, sugar - 1
||||
||
|| I don't get it; what's the problem? The net carbs of you blackeye
|| peas would be 11. Why would you say they're subtracted alreay?
|| --
|| Peter
|| Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

Ah, I see, and I agree with you. I think the thread got confused (who said
what) because you top post and got the conversation out of order.
--
Peter
Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

But I snipped out everything except Om's message to which I was replying.

"Marengo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:trkwf.61713$4l5.1963@dukeread05...

Ah, I see, and I agree with you. I think the thread got confused (who said
what) because you top post and got the conversation out of order.
--
Peter
Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

In Europe, Australia and NZ the fibre is already subtracted from the Total
Carbs. You can tell by how the label was set out.

On the label:
If the fibre is indented under the Total Carbs, then it hasn't been
subtracted.
If the fibre is along the same margin as the Total Carbs, then it has been
subtracted.

Tara
NZ

"theoulfella" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi All,
Long-time lurker, first-time poster. I need a little help on the Carb
content of foods. When choosing foodstuffs i obviously note the carb
content, and i know that fibre carbs can be subtracted from that figure,
but some labels have something similar to the following;

Carbs........... 5.0g
(of which sugars)0.8g
Fibre........... 3.3g

Does this mean that for the purposes of this way of eating i should take
the carb content to be 1.7g (Carb - Fibre) or is it only the carbs from
sugars (0.8g) which are relevant?
Or in fact if i am completely mistaken i would appreciate being put on the
right road, and sincerest apologies if this has been done to death on
here.

Many thanks for all your help and efforts.
Happy New Year to all

In article <[email hidden]>,

FOB said:

Okay, here are three cans I happen to have in my pantry. No sugar alcohols
in any of these:

Blackeye Peas, per 1/2 cup, total carbs - 15, Fiber - 4, Sugars - 0.
Butter Beans, per 1/2 cup, total - 20, fiber - 4, sugars - 1
White Hominy, 1/2 cup, total - 22, fiber - 4, sugar - 1

So where are the extra carbs coming from?
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

Saffire said:

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...

Quoted message said:

Indentation or lack of.

Precisely. In the U.S., nutritional labels usually SHOW the fiber
content, but do not subtract them from the total carb count. In some
(or all?) European countries, the fiber is PRE-subtracted. In that
case, the fiber content info is indented under the carb section. So,
Om, you may not have seen it if you do not have any European foods in
your pantry. I haven't seen it, either, but that doesn't mean there
aren't any out there.

Ok. :-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson