Weights

Quoted message said:

I've worked out with a chest expander for the last 10 years. I just
bought a 200 pound weight set. I bought it because I read that weights
strenghten the bones better. I'll now be able to compare the two
methods of working out.

By "worked out ... for the last 10 years", do you mean you've owned one
for ten years and every year around New Year's you pull it out and
wonder why you're not chiselled from owning it all these years?

Dally

I mean I've worked out regularly about 6 days a week for 10 years, and
am well muscled, but would like to be sure my bones do not weaken, like
most peoples bones.

Dally said:

Quoted message said:

I've worked out with a chest expander for the last 10 years. I just
bought a 200 pound weight set. I bought it because I read that weights
strenghten the bones better. I'll now be able to compare the two
methods of working out.

By "worked out ... for the last 10 years", do you mean you've owned one
for ten years and every year around New Year's you pull it out and
wonder why you're not chiselled from owning it all these years?

No, I remember this guy. He was spamming a special chest expander a
while back. I seem to recall him being a late middle-aged guy who was
the featured "strong man" of the spammer's web site.

Dally said:

Quoted message said:

I've worked out with a chest expander for the last 10 years. I just
bought a 200 pound weight set. I bought it because I read that weights
strenghten the bones better. I'll now be able to compare the two
methods of working out.

By "worked out ... for the last 10 years", do you mean you've owned one
for ten years and every year around New Year's you pull it out and
wonder why you're not chiselled from owning it all these years?

Dally

Darling, pleeeeeease don't feed the trolls.

--

I would like to set the record straight with JMW. Please read the
entire message before making any comments. I have never spammed, and
never will. In the instance you are talking about, the original
question asked was something about joints, and a chest expander, in my
opinion is easier on the joints, so I simply recommended one that I had
just bought. You thought I was spamming because, at the time, my alias
was Sampson, and that was also the brand name of the chest expander. I
picked that name for the biblical character. Yes, I had just bought my
new chest expander, which is excellent quality, but before that, I had
used a cheap one for about 10 years. Also, I am not the "featured
'strong man'" on the Sampson expander web site. His name is Mike Brown,
which is stated on the web site. My name is Britt Hinshaw, and I would
like to join this group because I just bought a 200 pound weight set ,
and would like some constructive comments to help me use it.

email hidden said:

I would like to set the record straight with JMW. Please read the
entire message before making any comments. I have never spammed, and
never will. In the instance you are talking about, the original
question asked was something about joints, and a chest expander, in my
opinion is easier on the joints, so I simply recommended one that I had
just bought. You thought I was spamming because, at the time, my alias
was Sampson, and that was also the brand name of the chest expander. I
picked that name for the biblical character. Yes, I had just bought my
new chest expander, which is excellent quality, but before that, I had
used a cheap one for about 10 years. Also, I am not the "featured
'strong man'" on the Sampson expander web site. His name is Mike Brown,
which is stated on the web site. My name is Britt Hinshaw, and I would
like to join this group because I just bought a 200 pound weight set ,
and would like some constructive comments to help me use it.

I shouldn't take any notice of JMW (John Williams); he is a long-term
"troll" at this Group, and many others. He acts as though he is the
moderator of this Group (he's not) and he thinks he knows everything
(which he doesn't).

The truth is that he is a bully and a coward, and he has just been
taken to task again for "stalking" other posters, and posting publicly
without permission, other posters personal information. You don't need
his approval or permission to post here, and many other decent people
will be happy to answer any questions you may, and offer advice should
you need it.

Just tell John Williams to go and get stuffed and enjoy MFW despite
him and his overbearing ways.

Have a great weekend - I always do! ;o)

TFIF!

Thank you.

Britt a.k.a. [email hidden] writt:

Quoted message said:

I would like to set the record straight with JMW.

He can be level-headed, but he can also be vindictive - like most
anyone on this planet.

Hopefully, for your sake and the sake of other readers/patrons of this
ng, he'll respond positively toward your post. Wait, not for the sake
of Humble - he thinks this is all amusing! That symmetry-loving
exercise enthusiast! <g>

Unfortunately, JMW could also come back with a negative attitude -
again, like anyone on this planet.

Or, hey, he could even ignore your note and post "Done." so that I can
wonder, "Oooooh, what magical tome, what scientific treatise has Britt
received from JMW via email???" <g>

Then again he might make zero comment.

Heyyy, this having my nose so far up his ass, I can see through his
eyes is weird. I mean, I'm navigating using JMW's charts, of course.

He's had his head so far up my ass, he can tell you what's available
on my personal Web page /by heart/ and he's also farmed at least one
image/jpeg of me (by his own admission elsewhere in this ng) to
include on his troll faq page (such devotion, it's flattering).

JMW's troll faq page was allegedly designed to reduce noise or
troll-like posts to MFW but, imo, has really done nothing but
encourage more negative behavior. Yes, JMW is all about Lead By
Example.

And, yes, I recognize the pot-kettle-blackness of this all. Hey, *I'm*
just about like most anyone on this planet.

As I've said before, he and I even resemble each other. But like
Humble suspects, if JMW lays off then I will, too.

....

Eventually.

(Hey, he's had a head start in his poor behavior, so...)

Quoted message said:

Please read the entire message before making any comments.

Oops.

But I *did* read your entire message.

<snip the explanation - a good one which, fwiw, I believe sincere>

Quoted message said:

My name is Britt Hinshaw, and I would like to join
this group because I just bought a 200 pound
weight set, and would like some constructive
comments to help me use it.

How old are you? I got my first set - a 100 (or so) pound weight set -
at age 15. The constructive comments I received (or had at my
disposal) were from Lou Ravelle's Bodybuilding for Everyone:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0671422391/qid=1135957453/sr=12-1/104-7097495-6227960?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
http://www.alibris.com/search/search.cfm?qwork=7951528&wauth=Lou%20Ravelle&ptit=Bodybuild%20Everyone&pauth=Ravelle%2C%20Lou&pisbn=&pqty=5&pqtynew=0&pbest=2%2E95&matches=5&qsort=p&cm_re=works*listing*buyused
http://www.alibris.com/search/search.cfm?qwork=753768&wauth=Lou%20Ravelle&ptit=Bodybuilding%20for%20everyone%2E&pauth=Ravelle%2C%20Lou&pisbn=&pqty=11&pqtynew=0&pbest=6%2E90&matches=11&qsort=p&cm_re=works*listing*buyused

These words from a reader/reviewer at Amazon:

"Lou Ravelle's book may seem, by today's standards, to be very basic
and out-dated. However for someone seeking honest, down to earth,
really classic reading on weight-training, then Lou Ravelle is second
to none. Anyone can profit from this book written in the pre-steroid
days."

It's available from Amazon, Alibris, and I'm sure other online
booksellers in paperback for just a few bucks. As a teenager, I soaked
up every word and benefited from his instructions/advice/text.

Don't go crazy so that you're muscles revolt or become so sore you
quit lifting in discouragement over the pain. One set of each exercise
to start. If you're not interested in Ravelle's text then a few
quicker avenues to reach would be:

http://www.billpearl.com/programs/programs.asp?d=1
http://www.biofitness.com/bodybld.html

And there are, of course, a ton of variable to consider so far as
exercise is concerned. Welcome to the group. There's a wealth of
information at hand. Here's a bit that may prove useful:

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.fitness.weights/msg/fa41535c2d5d4508

Again, welcome to MFW. Enjoy your stay.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

Quoted message said:

but would like to be sure my bones do not weaken, like

most peoples bones.>

You mean like those "lil girlie men"?

Quoted post said:

I would like to set the record straight with JMW. Please read the
entire message before making any comments. I have never spammed, and
never will. In the instance you are talking about, the original
question asked was something about joints, and a chest expander, in my
opinion is easier on the joints, so I simply recommended one that I had
just bought. You thought I was spamming because, at the time, my alias
was Sampson, and that was also the brand name of the chest expander. I
picked that name for the biblical character. Yes, I had just bought my
new chest expander, which is excellent quality, but before that, I had
used a cheap one for about 10 years.

Perhaps so. But you had also just started your own members-only
Google newsgroup, promoting chest expanders in general and the
"Sampson" model in particular:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/chest-expander-exercises

Quoted message said:

Also, I am not the "featured
'strong man'" on the Sampson expander web site. His name is Mike Brown,
which is stated on the web site.

Yes, I was wrong about that part.

Quoted message said:

My name is Britt Hinshaw, and I would
like to join this group because I just bought a 200 pound weight set ,
and would like some constructive comments to help me use it.

You indicated that your concern was bone loss. Although I am a big
proponent of free weights, I don't believe that heavy resistance
training counteracts bone loss as much as impact exercise. I have
previously discussed my views on that:

http://tinyurl.com/bbu78

If you're looking for some instruction on the use of free weights, I
have some basic instruction on the safe execution of many lifts on my
web site, which is somewhat directed toward older lifters. The URL is
in my sig, below. Also good for those purposes is:

http://www.stumptuous.com/weights.html
http://exrx.net/Exercise.html

--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

Quoted post said:

Thank you.

Before you go too far in thanking anyone, consider a couple of
references:

Matthew 7:15
http://www.rustyiron.net/trollfaq.htm

And regarding the person you thanked, ask yourself this:

"Did he offer me useful information, or was he just attacking
someone?"

If you're truly interested in weight training, stick around for a
while. It won't take you long to determine those who really know what
they're talking about, and those who are just here to solicit
attention.

--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

JMW said:

Quoted post said:

Thank you.

Before you go too far in thanking anyone, consider a couple of
references:

Matthew 7:15
http://www.rustyiron.net/trollfaq.htm

And regarding the person you thanked, ask yourself this:

"Did he offer me useful information, or was he just attacking
someone?"

If you're truly interested in weight training, stick around for a
while. It won't take you long to determine those who really know what
they're talking about, and those who are just here to solicit
attention.

How quickly you change you tune Williams, when you have been caught
out stalking someone and posting incorrect information about them.

Before <[email hidden]> makes up his mind whether my advice
to him was of value he should he should read some of your recent posts
including the one where you have just libelled him.

He may also care to see your own "troll" profile at:
http://www.fitnwell.net/mfw_troll_filter_faq.htm

J M Who-me? <[email hidden]> wrote:

http://www.rustyiron.net/trollfaq.htm

Quoted message said:

If you're truly interested in weight training,

So you can't take him at his word? That would be asking too much,
John? Rhetorical.

Quoted message said:

stick around for a while. It won't take you long to
determine those who really know what they're
talking about, and those who are just here to
solicit attention.

It certainly didn't.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

J M Well-isn't-that-interesting? <[email hidden]> wrote:

<snip>
http://www.rustyiron.net/trollfaq.htm
<snip>

Attention is good.

Quoted message said:

and those who are just here to solicit attention.

Yes, and how much attention would you like?

For those who haven't clicked around his troll faq:

"Elementary school art teacher; perceives himself as unconvential, a
rebel and an outsider; perceives trolls as kindred spirits; not so
much a troll as a defender of trolls; frequently becomes agitated when
he or his associates are challenged; has similar posting history in
rec.arts.bodyart."

I offered that I don't appreciate the I'm-the-center-of-the-universe
types. You're obviously that type. And your description of me is
telling. Are those your sentiments or did you go line-by-line over my
posts in an attempt to create a description based on words I've posted
to Usenet? (Taking only a minute or two of your time, of course.)

But you're not a troll. Noooooo.

Perhaps you should review the definition of Internet troll available
at Wiki. You're a troll based on the text available there.

And, based on your own text, you contradict yourself. To wit:

On the one hand you offer that I am, "not so much a troll as a
defender of trolls" <http://www.rustyiron.net/trollist.htm> while on
the other hand (and on the very same page) you list me as one of the,
"Known MFW Trolls". Now which is it? Do you contradict yourself as a
standard practice?

For someone who states that /I/ become agitated upon being challenged,
*you* seem agitated based on other patrons of MFW having their own
opinion. How's that working out for you?

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted post said:

My name is Britt Hinshaw, and I would
like to join this group because I just bought a 200 pound weight set ,
and would like some constructive comments to help me use it.

Pick up heavy things, put them down, repeat.

3 to 5 days per week.

And start here for comprehensive programs.
Your question is way to complex for anyone to answer in a single post:

http://www.stumptuous.com/cms/index.php

This site is just as good for men as it is for women.

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

JRH said:

Have a great weekend - I always do! ;o)

TFIF!

I'm going to a New Years party for the first time in about 5 years, so I
anticipate a good weekend as well. <G> It's nice to have weekends off as
this year, I got 2 major holidays off by sheer default!
Will be visiting a very nice couple that we've not seen in a year or so.

What are you doing for NY Chas?

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

You indicated that your concern was bone loss. Although I am a big
proponent of free weights, I don't believe that heavy resistance
training counteracts bone loss as much as impact exercise.

http://www.newstarget.com/010528.html
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

You indicated that your concern was bone loss. Although I am a big
proponent of free weights, I don't believe that heavy resistance
training counteracts bone loss as much as impact exercise.

http://www.newstarget.com/010528.html

From the above source, verbatim:

"Physical impact and weight-bearing exercise stimulates bone
formation. * * *
"Weight lifting, including curls and bench presses, is a beneficial
activity … Dancing, stair-climbing and brisk walking are all
weight-bearing exercises, which promote (good) mechanical stress in
the skeletal system, contributing to the placement of calcium in
bones."

Then review this study: http://tinyurl.com/74ka7

.... and note that "[b]ecause all athletes underwent resistance
training throughout the year of study, muscle strengthening activity
did not appear to be a significant factor in the skeletal response
observed in gymnasts."

Weight-bearing is good and much better than nothing. High impact is
better than weight-bearing.

In article <[email hidden]>,
[quote="JMW"]

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

You indicated that your concern was bone loss. Although I am a big
proponent of free weights, I don't believe that heavy resistance
training counteracts bone loss as much as impact exercise.

http://www.newstarget.com/010528.html