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  1. Okay, first of all sorry for the cross post. There are not too many
    posts in just the climbing group, so I also thought that there may be
    a few mountain bikers in the cycling group who could help me with the
    question.

    I don't know very much about either climbing or cycling. I just have a
    question regarding fleece clothing though for when you are outdoors
    going up mountains etc.

    I am looking to buy a Fleece top for my father for christmas who does
    go up mountains a lot.

    I have looked at a certain make of fleece, and they seem to have
    different grades, eg 200 or 380. The 380 being more heavyweight and
    having more features (I believe). Yet the recommended retail price for
    the 380 is £27-50, and the 200 is £40-00. What gives? I can't
    understand why what looks like the better product is cheaper?

    Thanks for any insight on this

    John

  2. John said:

    I am looking to buy a Fleece top for my father for christmas who does
    go up mountains a lot.

    I have looked at a certain make of fleece, and they seem to have
    different grades, eg 200 or 380. The 380 being more heavyweight and
    having more features (I believe). Yet the recommended retail price for
    the 380 is £27-50, and the 200 is £40-00. What gives? I can't
    understand why what looks like the better product is cheaper?

    One needs to define "better". For example, one very practical feature
    of mountain and cycle clothing is its weight, with lighter being better.
    Aside from material, excess "features" add weight as well.

    Another point is that both cycling and mountaineering tend to be
    aerobically active and keep you warm to some degree while doing them,
    which lessens the need for outright insulation. However, wind can cut
    through less dense fabrics more easily and so windproofing plays a big
    part in how effective things are. Heavier fleeces tend to be less
    dense, which makes them great insulators out of the wind but more
    string-vesty in it, so a lighter fleece in a denser knit is usually
    better. As well as windproofing, a lighter, denser fleece also holds
    significantly less water, so if it soaks up a lot of rain then it will
    take much less time to dry.

    Executive Summary of the above is that one of the primary features of a
    jacket is what it's made of. Heavy, cheap fleece is, like thick wool,
    great for sitting around in still air not doing much, but it's less good
    doing active things in the wind.

    If you want a Really Good Fleece my tip is put Powershield at the top of
    the shopping list: it's tough, comfortable, stretchy, breathable, much
    more windproof than most fleeces (sandwich fleeces like Windstopper
    excepted) and is basically your Desert Island Fleece IMHO (assuming a
    cool and windy desert island, that is...). But it's also expensive and
    tends to come in Henry Ford colour schemes :-(

    Sandwich fleeces like Windstopper are windproof and will see off most
    showers, but in prolonged rain they soak through and become very cold
    and won't dry out in any reasonable time on your body. The fabric is
    also relatively heavy and is a bit "cardy" for touch and drape compared
    to more conventional fleeces, and it doesn't breathe as well (let sweat
    out, that is).

    Polartrec Thermal Pro and Wind Pro are good general fleeces,
    developments of the original Polartec 200. Karisma (aka Ultrafleece) is
    a very good product for UK conditions though harder to find these days.
    It is light and densely woven, reasonably windproof, tough and very
    fast drying.

    Shelled fleeces can get over the windproofing limitations of
    conventional fleece very well, though the light nylon or polyester shell
    typically has much lower tear strength than a fleece. Not often a
    problem though, if you're not scrambling or actively climbing.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  3. John said:

    Okay, first of all sorry for the cross post. There are not too many
    posts in just the climbing group, so I also thought that there may be
    a few mountain bikers in the cycling group who could help me with the
    question.

    I don't know very much about either climbing or cycling. I just have a
    question regarding fleece clothing though for when you are outdoors
    going up mountains etc.

    I am looking to buy a Fleece top for my father for christmas who does
    go up mountains a lot.

    I have looked at a certain make of fleece, and they seem to have
    different grades, eg 200 or 380. The 380 being more heavyweight and
    having more features (I believe). Yet the recommended retail price for
    the 380 is £27-50, and the 200 is £40-00. What gives? I can't
    understand why what looks like the better product is cheaper?

    Thanks for any insight on this

    John

    If he is experienced on mountains he is probably into layers rather
    than single items of clothing i.e. several thin layers can be warmer,
    more comfortable, cheaper and more adaptable than fewer thick layers.
    So thin fleece might be preferred.
    Also means you don't need special winter kit, e.g. in winter on bike I
    wear padded shorts, helly hansen vest/long johns, ron hill bottoms,
    pile shirt, thin fleece, light shower and wind proof top, one or two
    pairs ski glove liners (dead cheap!). Result is very warm on coldest
    days and also easily adjustable to changes i.e. take off a layer.
    Winter hill walking ditto but goretex hooded jacket (unpadded) instead
    of cycling top. Sailing ditto but sailing waterproofs instead of
    cycling top. All this kit useable all year round, so you get your
    moneys worth!

    cheers

    Jacob

  4. Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:18:54 <[email hidden]>
    uk.rec.climbing John <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for any insight on this

    In addition to the info given, keep the receipt, Dad may have is own
    idea of what exactly he wants 🙂

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    Wm ...
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