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  1. I have a great recipe for meatballs but I don't like the sauce. It calls
    for 2 cups of tomato ketchup(which I hate); also 1 cup brown sugar, garlic
    powder and chopped onion.- that's ok.

    I was thinking of reducing a couple of cans of tomatoes, maybe adding some
    balsamic vinegar and brown sugar. Would this need to be thickened. And if
    so with what...........flour? And I would love to add cream.

    I'm sort of making this up, but trying to use stuff I have on hand.

    Anyone - any suggestions?

    Elaine

  2. elaine said:

    I have a great recipe for meatballs but I don't like the sauce. It
    calls for 2 cups of tomato ketchup(which I hate); also 1 cup brown
    sugar, garlic powder and chopped onion.- that's ok.

    I was thinking of reducing a couple of cans of tomatoes, maybe adding
    some balsamic vinegar and brown sugar. Would this need to be
    thickened. And if so with what...........flour? And I would love to
    add cream.

    I'm sort of making this up, but trying to use stuff I have on hand.

    Anyone - any suggestions?

    Elaine

    Ketchup doesn't make for a good tomato sauce... sorry, it's a condiment (and
    not one I'm fond of, either).

    Canned tomato sauce or canned diced tomatoes, cooked slowly over low heat.
    Add some dried oregano or marjoram. Skip the brown sugar, it's absolutely
    not necessary and at any rate 1 cup sounds really excessive! If fresh
    tomatoes are used sometimes they are a bit acidic so the addition of a
    *Tablespoonful* of sugar is sometimes warranted. Shouldn't be necessary if
    you're using canned tomatoes.

    Onions, yes. Garlic or garlic powder, absolutely. It shouldn't need to be
    thickened. I definitely would *not* add cream. Brown your meatballs then
    add to the slow-cooked sauce.

    Jill

  3. elaine said:

    I have a great recipe for meatballs but I don't like the sauce. It calls
    for 2 cups of tomato ketchup(which I hate); also 1 cup brown sugar, garlic
    powder and chopped onion.- that's ok.

    I was thinking of reducing a couple of cans of tomatoes, maybe adding some
    balsamic vinegar and brown sugar. Would this need to be thickened. And if
    so with what...........flour? And I would love to add cream.

    I'm sort of making this up, but trying to use stuff I have on hand.

    Anyone - any suggestions?

    Elaine

    OHMYGOD. My teeth hurt just imagining how horribly sweet that "sauce"
    must be? Not to mention devoid of any other flavor?
    Go to www.deja.com and input "tomato sauce" and "rec.food.cooking" into
    the search parameters, and you'll wind up with many decent sauces to
    try. Ignore All that use ketchup, brown sugar.. and the garlic powder is
    questionable, lol. You can't help but do better than what you've tried.
    Honest.

  4. "elaine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I have a great recipe for meatballs but I don't like the sauce. It calls
    for 2 cups of tomato ketchup(which I hate); also 1 cup brown sugar, garlic
    powder and chopped onion.- that's ok.

    I was thinking of reducing a couple of cans of tomatoes, maybe adding some
    balsamic vinegar and brown sugar. Would this need to be thickened. And


    if

    Quoted message said:

    so with what...........flour? And I would love to add cream.

    I'm sort of making this up, but trying to use stuff I have on hand.

    Anyone - any suggestions?

    Elaine

    Here's the recipe I use when making spaghetti and meat balls. It comes from
    Fine Cooking magazine in an article by Frank Pellegrino of Rao's restaurant
    in NYC. The only change I make is I add sauteed onions.

    Marinara Sauce
    Yields about 7 cups.

    3 28-ounce cans Italian plum tomatoes, whole or crushed (I like San
    Marzano)
    1?2 cup olive oil
    6 cloves garlic, minced
    1 large yellow onion, minced
    1 tablespoon kosher salt; more as needed
    1?4 cup chopped fresh basil
    1 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper
    1?4 teaspoon dried oregano (or to taste)

    If you're using whole tomatoes, put them in a large bowl and crush them
    with your hands. Discard any cores.

    In a 7-quart or larger saucepot, heat the oil on medium heat. Add the onion
    and saute until translucent then add garlic
    garlic and sauté until lightly golden brown, about 2 minutes. Add the
    tomatoes and salt. Bring to a boil, reduce the heat, and simmer, stirring
    occasionally, for 45 minutes to 1 hour; the sauce will reduce and thicken
    slightly but shouldn't get too thick. Stir in the basil, pepper, and
    oregano. Taste and add more salt as needed. Kate

  5. Kate B said:

    Here's the recipe I use when making spaghetti and meat balls. It comes from
    Fine Cooking magazine in an article by Frank Pellegrino of Rao's restaurant
    in NYC. The only change I make is I add sauteed onions.

    Marinara Sauce
    Yields about 7 cups.

    3 28-ounce cans Italian plum tomatoes, whole or crushed (I like San
    Marzano)
    1?2 cup olive oil

    Is that REALLY 1/2 cup?? Seems excessive to me, and I LOVE the stuff!!

  6. "elaine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I have a great recipe for meatballs but I don't like the sauce. It calls
    for 2 cups of tomato ketchup(which I hate); also 1 cup brown sugar, garlic
    powder and chopped onion.- that's ok.

    I was thinking of reducing a couple of cans of tomatoes, maybe adding some
    balsamic vinegar and brown sugar. Would this need to be thickened. And
    if so with what...........flour? And I would love to add cream.

    I'm sort of making this up, but trying to use stuff I have on hand.

    Anyone - any suggestions?

    Elaine

    I make this probably 2 times a month. We love it.

    I like to make a double batch and freeze, so the measurements are already
    with the doubling in mind.

    Basil Sauce - Great with meatballs.

    1/3 cup of olive oil
    2 handfuls of fresh basil (approx. 8 T or use 4 T of dry)
    1 onion chopped finely
    3 cloves of garlic chopped finely
    1 30 ish ounce can of tomato sauce (sorry about ounces the cans are around
    29 to 32 ounces don't remember)
    1 30 ish ounce can of crushed tomatoes ( like to use Contadina for both
    tomato products)

    Saute' onion, garlic, and basil in olive oil until onion is soft. Add
    tomato sauce and crushed tomatoes and simmer about 20 minutes.

    Great with no meat at all on pasta, great with meatballs, can brown about 1
    pound of ground beef and add to it.

    Lynne

  7. Elaine said:

    I have a great recipe for meatballs but I don't like the sauce. It calls
    for 2 cups of tomato ketchup(which I hate); also 1 cup brown sugar, garlic
    powder and chopped onion.- that's ok.

    You've got the makings of a barbecue sauce there, albeit a rather uninspired
    one... :-)

    Quoted message said:

    I was thinking of reducing a couple of cans of tomatoes, maybe adding some
    balsamic vinegar and brown sugar. Would this need to be thickened. And
    if so with what...........flour? And I would love to add cream.

    I'm sort of making this up, but trying to use stuff I have on hand.

    Anyone - any suggestions?

    Okay, sauté the onions, then add the tomatoes. Add some red wine vinegar if
    you've got it, and just a pinch of white sugar. (Balsamic doesn't work all
    that well here, to my way of thinking. If you want an arrabiata -- literally
    "explosive", referring to sudden spiciness -- sauce you can add Tabasco
    instead of vinegar.) Cook down to the consistency you want, adding the
    garlic powder about halfway through. If you have basil, add it toward the
    end. If you want, you can add cream toward the end of cooking, but avoid
    boiling the sauce once the cream is added.

    Bob

  8. elaine said:

    I have a great recipe for meatballs but I don't like the sauce. It calls
    for 2 cups of tomato ketchup(which I hate); also 1 cup brown sugar, garlic
    powder and chopped onion.- that's ok.

    I was thinking of reducing a couple of cans of tomatoes, maybe adding some
    balsamic vinegar and brown sugar. Would this need to be thickened. And if
    so with what...........flour? And I would love to add cream.

    I'm sort of making this up, but trying to use stuff I have on hand.

    Anyone - any suggestions?

    Elaine

    Is this for pasta, or for an hors d'oeuvre?

    gp

  9. "Kate B" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "elaine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I have a great recipe for meatballs but I don't like the sauce. It calls
    for 2 cups of tomato ketchup(which I hate); also 1 cup brown sugar,
    garlic
    powder and chopped onion.- that's ok.

    I was thinking of reducing a couple of cans of tomatoes, maybe adding
    some
    balsamic vinegar and brown sugar. Would this need to be thickened. And


    if

    Quoted message said:

    so with what...........flour? And I would love to add cream.

    I'm sort of making this up, but trying to use stuff I have on hand.

    Anyone - any suggestions?

    Elaine

    Here's the recipe I use when making spaghetti and meat balls. It comes
    from
    Fine Cooking magazine in an article by Frank Pellegrino of Rao's
    restaurant
    in NYC. The only change I make is I add sauteed onions.

    Marinara Sauce
    Yields about 7 cups.

    3 28-ounce cans Italian plum tomatoes, whole or crushed (I like San
    Marzano)
    1?2 cup olive oil
    6 cloves garlic, minced
    1 large yellow onion, minced
    1 tablespoon kosher salt; more as needed
    1?4 cup chopped fresh basil
    1 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper
    1?4 teaspoon dried oregano (or to taste)

    If you're using whole tomatoes, put them in a large bowl and crush them
    with your hands. Discard any cores.

    In a 7-quart or larger saucepot, heat the oil on medium heat. Add the
    onion
    and saute until translucent then add garlic
    garlic and sauté until lightly golden brown, about 2 minutes. Add the
    tomatoes and salt. Bring to a boil, reduce the heat, and simmer, stirring
    occasionally, for 45 minutes to 1 hour; the sauce will reduce and thicken
    slightly but shouldn't get too thick. Stir in the basil, pepper, and
    oregano. Taste and add more salt as needed. Kate


    Ok - this sounds good; I like the idea of boiling down the tomatoes. I will
    be using canned tomatoes since I'm saving my 3 packets of (precious) garden
    tomatoes carefully frozen in the fall. .But damn - I love the addition of
    cream -- in anything really. However, will defer to y'all and not be
    tempted. (thanks Jill).

    E.

  10. "elaine" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Ok - this sounds good; I like the idea of boiling down the tomatoes.

    Simmering, not boiling. Big difference in tomato sauce.

    nancy

  11. "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "elaine" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Ok - this sounds good; I like the idea of boiling down the tomatoes.

    Simmering, not boiling. Big difference in tomato sauce.

    nancy

    I know. Wrong wording on my part............

    E.

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    elaine said:

    I have a great recipe for meatballs but I don't like the sauce. It calls
    for 2 cups of tomato ketchup(which I hate); also 1 cup brown sugar, garlic
    powder and chopped onion.- that's ok.

    I was thinking of reducing a couple of cans of tomatoes, maybe adding some
    balsamic vinegar and brown sugar. Would this need to be thickened. And if
    so with what...........flour? And I would love to add cream.

    I'm sort of making this up, but trying to use stuff I have on hand.

    Anyone - any suggestions?

    Elaine

    What will these little grenades be used for? Appetizers? You should be
    able to fake a sweet-sour sauce, or else look one up and use it. Or
    barbecue sauce?

    On top of pasta with that sauce? Gack. Good luck.
    --
    http://www.jamlady.eboard.com, updated 12-13-05 - RIP, Gerri

  13. "elaine" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "elaine" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Ok - this sounds good; I like the idea of boiling down the tomatoes.

    Simmering, not boiling. Big difference in tomato sauce.

    Quoted message said:

    I know. Wrong wording on my part............


    Just making sure.

  14. "Melba's Jammin'" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    elaine said:

    I have a great recipe for meatballs but I don't like the sauce. It calls
    for 2 cups of tomato ketchup(which I hate); also 1 cup brown sugar,
    garlic
    powder and chopped onion.- that's ok.

    I was thinking of reducing a couple of cans of tomatoes, maybe adding
    some
    balsamic vinegar and brown sugar. Would this need to be thickened. And
    if
    so with what...........flour? And I would love to add cream.

    I'm sort of making this up, but trying to use stuff I have on hand.

    Anyone - any suggestions?

    Elaine

    What will these little grenades be used for? Appetizers? You should be
    able to fake a sweet-sour sauce, or else look one up and use it. Or
    barbecue sauce?

    On top of pasta with that sauce? Gack. Good luck.
    --
    http://www.jamlady.eboard.com, updated 12-13-05 - RIP, Gerri

    No, no - not with pasta and not appetizers. My contribution for a family
    gathering.

    Big-batch Freezer Meatballs (recipe adapted from Saltscapes - Down East
    Magazine)

    3 lbs ground beef
    1can evaporated milk
    1 cup quick (not instant) rolled oats
    1 cup soda cracker crumbs (28 squares)
    1/2 cup chopped onion
    2 tsp salt
    pepper
    2 tsps chili powder

    and the sauce (which I didn't like)
    2 cups ketchup
    1 cup packed brown sugar
    garlic powder
    1/4 cup chopped onion

    E.

  15. Bob Terwilliger said:
    Elaine said:

    I have a great recipe for meatballs but I don't like the sauce. It calls
    for 2 cups of tomato ketchup(which I hate); also 1 cup brown sugar, garlic
    powder and chopped onion.- that's ok.

    You've got the makings of a barbecue sauce there, albeit a rather uninspired
    one... :-)

    Quoted message said:

    I was thinking of reducing a couple of cans of tomatoes, maybe adding some
    balsamic vinegar and brown sugar. Would this need to be thickened. And
    if so with what...........flour? And I would love to add cream.

    I'm sort of making this up, but trying to use stuff I have on hand.

    Anyone - any suggestions?

    Okay, sauté the onions, then add the tomatoes. Add some red wine vinegar if
    you've got it, and just a pinch of white sugar. (Balsamic doesn't work all
    that well here, to my way of thinking. If you want an arrabiata -- literally
    "explosive", referring to sudden spiciness -- sauce you can add Tabasco
    instead of vinegar.) Cook down to the consistency you want, adding the
    garlic powder

    I'm sure this was a typo and you meant "minced garlic" 🙂

    about halfway through. If you have basil, add it toward the

    Quoted message said:

    end. If you want, you can add cream toward the end of cooking, but avoid
    boiling the sauce once the cream is added.

    Bob

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  16. jmcquown said:
    elaine said:

    I have a great recipe for meatballs but I don't like the sauce. It
    calls for 2 cups of tomato ketchup(which I hate); also 1 cup brown
    sugar, garlic powder and chopped onion.- that's ok.

    I was thinking of reducing a couple of cans of tomatoes, maybe adding
    some balsamic vinegar and brown sugar. Would this need to be
    thickened. And if so with what...........flour? And I would love to
    add cream.

    I'm sort of making this up, but trying to use stuff I have on hand.

    Anyone - any suggestions?

    Elaine

    Ketchup doesn't make for a good tomato sauce... sorry, it's a condiment (and
    not one I'm fond of, either).

    Canned tomato sauce or canned diced tomatoes, cooked slowly over low heat.
    Add some dried oregano or marjoram. Skip the brown sugar, it's absolutely
    not necessary and at any rate 1 cup sounds really excessive! If fresh
    tomatoes are used sometimes they are a bit acidic so the addition of a
    *Tablespoonful* of sugar is sometimes warranted. Shouldn't be necessary if
    you're using canned tomatoes.

    Onions, yes. Garlic or garlic powder, absolutely. It shouldn't need to be
    thickened. I definitely would *not* add cream. Brown your meatballs then
    add to the slow-cooked sauce.

    Jill

    I'm with Jill. The only sauce I make that I put meatballs in is spaghetti
    sauce, so you may be wanting something more sweet if the meatballs are the
    main item - to be served as stand-alone item or on a toothpick, etc.

    For spaghetti sauce, I use tomato sauce and canned tomatoes. I prefer
    diced,
    as well - the work is all ready done <g>. The diced tomatoes will cook
    into "mush" and help thicken the sauce. I don't ever try to use fresh
    tomatoes in the "off season" because I can't get any that are good. I add
    diced bell pepper to mine, also. I use garlic, sweet basil, oregano, salt
    and pepper for seasonings in addition to the onions and bells. I do use,
    usually, a tablespoon or so of white sugar. And, I do use some red wine or
    red wine vinegar, so the Balsamic might be good.

    Brown sugar is better suited to tomato based items like bbq sauce or
    baked beans - a heavier, denser sauce. But, if you have made
    this recipe before and you like the brown sugar effect, then go for it.
    I wouldn't use it in spaghetti sauce, but I can see it for meatballs or
    cocktail sausages, etc.

    I wouldn't put any cream (or other milk product) in spaghetti sauce, but I
    use it for "cream of ..." soups - like tomato. So, that is an option, too.
    (and maybe why the original lady used the ketchup - quick, if not real
    tasty, tomato soup)

    I make a bbq sauce-like sauce for cocktail sausages, but I usually make a
    kinda beefy cream sauce for my meatballs. It isn't a "swedish meatball"
    sauce but is along those lines.

    You have just given me a great idea for a "party food". A big crock pot of
    great spaghetti sauce and lots of hot, crusty garlic bread. I've wasted a
    lot of my life cooking spaghetti and making a salad while everybody in the
    house gathered in the kitchen to dunk stolen hunks of bread into my
    simmering sauce pot. Maybe I'll call it something original like ...
    fondue!

    Good luck with whatever you choose to do. Let us know how it turned out.

    Elaine, too

  17. On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:01:49 -0600, Elaine Parrish <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I wouldn't put any cream (or other milk product) in spaghetti sauce, but I
    use it for "cream of ..." soups - like tomato. So, that is an option, too.
    (and maybe why the original lady used the ketchup - quick, if not real
    tasty, tomato soup)

    One of the classic sauces of Italian cooking, is Ragu Bolognaise...
    which has milk in it, as far as I know. And this sauce is
    traditionally used to sauce pasta, in particular fresh pasta.

    Someone correct me if I am wrong...

    Christine

  18. elaine said:

    I have a great recipe for meatballs but I don't like the sauce. It calls
    for 2 cups of tomato ketchup(which I hate); also 1 cup brown sugar, garlic
    powder and chopped onion.- that's ok.

    I was thinking of reducing a couple of cans of tomatoes, maybe adding some
    balsamic vinegar and brown sugar. Would this need to be thickened. And if
    so with what...........flour? And I would love to add cream.

    I'm sort of making this up, but trying to use stuff I have on hand.

    Anyone - any suggestions?

    Elaine

    That sounds like a recipe that is intended to mimic jarred sauces with
    that incredible amount of sugar. The ketchup already has HFCS and then
    the brown sugar.

    You can make an excellent sauce just by sweating some chopped onions,
    garlic, celery etc, whatever spices you like, add the tomatoes and
    simmer for a short period.

  19. sarah criticized:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    instead of vinegar.) Cook down to the consistency you want, adding the
    garlic powder

    I'm sure this was a typo and you meant "minced garlic" 🙂

    Well, Elaine didn't say she HAD garlic. She said she had garlic powder. You
    works with what you gots.

    However, since the first flood of suggestions, Elaine posted the recipe for
    the meatballs, and I see that they've got chili powder. That changes
    EVERYTHING. I don't think an Italian-style tomato sauce would go well with
    them at all; I *do* think that a barbecue sauce is the way to go. Of
    course, barbecue sauces vary widely; I think a Texas- or Kansas-City-style
    sauce would work best. Here are some barbecue sauce recipes I can
    personally vouch for, given in the order I think would go best with Elaine's
    meatball recipe:

    Ginger Barbecue Sauce
    (from _Paul Kirk's Championship Barbecue Sauces_)

    2 cups tomato purée
    1 cup tomato sauce
    1/4 brown sugar, packed
    1/2 cup wine vinegar
    2 tablespoons minced candied ginger
    2 tablespoons chili powder
    2 tablespoons Worcestershire sauce
    1 tablespoon minced dried onion
    1 lemon, unpeeled, sliced thin
    1 garlic clove, pressed
    2 teaspoons black pepper
    1 teaspoon celery salt
    1 teaspoon dry mustard powder

    Combine all the ingredients in a nonreactive saucepan and blend well. Place
    over medium heat and simmer for 20 minutes, stirring occasionally. Store
    refrigerated in an airtight jar for several weeks.

    Makes about 3 cups.

    Well-Married Barbecue Sauce
    (from _Paul Kirk's Championship Barbecue Sauces_)

    1 28-ounce bottle ketchup
    1 1/2 cups cider vinegar
    1 1/2 cups brown sugar, packed
    1 12-ounce bottle chili sauce
    1 12-ounce can ginger ale
    1/2 cup fresh lemon juice
    1/2 cup steak sauce
    1/2 cup prepared yellow mustard
    1/4 cup Worcestershire sauce
    2 tablespoons black pepper
    2 tablespoons vegetable oil
    1 tablespoon soy sauce
    1 teaspoon dry mustard powder
    2 garlic cloves, pressed
    1/4 teaspoon Louisiana-style hot sauce

    Combine all ingredients in a nonreactive bowl and blend well. Store
    refrigerated in an airtight jar up to 1 month.

    [BOB'S NOTE: When I made this, I used the "Caribbean Exotic Gourmet Spicy
    Steak Sauce" that Mo-Hotta-Mo-Betta sells as the 1/2 cup steak sauce. I also
    simmered the sauce to take the raw edge off the garlic and dry mustard, and
    to blend in the sugar.]

    Paul Kirk's Kansas City Barbecue Sauce
    (from _Celebrating Barbecue_)

    1/2 cup (1 stick) butter
    4 cloves garlic, pressed
    1 cup minced onions
    1 lemon, seeded and minced, including peel
    1 32-ounce bottle ketchup
    1 cup tomato juice
    1 cup V-8 juice
    1 cup packed brown sugar
    1/2 cup molasses
    1/2 cup Worcestershire sauce
    1/2 cup chili powder
    1/4 cup white vinegar
    2 tablespoons black pepper
    1 teaspoon salt

    Melt the butter in a nonreactive saucepan over medium heat. Add the garlic,
    onions, and lemon. Cook until the mixture is tender but not browned, about
    4 minutes. Add the remaining ingredients. Bring the mixture to a boil,
    lower the heat and simmer, stirring occasionally, for 1 to 1 1/2 hours or
    until the sauce has thickened. Store, refrigerated, for up to 2 weeks.

    Makes about 8 cups.

    Lone Star Barbecue Sauce
    (from _Celebrating Barbecue_)

    1 1/4 cups ketchup
    1/3 cup Worcestershire sauce
    1/3 cup lemon juice
    1/3 cup packed brown sugar
    1 tablespoon yellow mustard
    1/4 cup water
    1 clove garlic, crushed
    1/4 cup (half a stick) butter (or meat drippings)

    1. Combine the ketchup, Worcestershire sauce, lemon juice, brown sugar,
    mustard, water, and garlic in a medium saucepan. Place over very low heat
    and simmer, stirring occasionally, 1 hour. For really smoky flavor, place
    on the grill away from the heat source during the last hour of smoking meat.

    2. Stir in the butter or drippings and cook 15 minutes longer. Pour into a
    container with a tight-fitting lid and refrigerated to store, up to 2 weeks.

    Makes about 3 cups.

    KC Sweet and Hot Sauce
    (from _Celebrating Barbecue_)

    2 cups ketchup
    1/2 cup packed dark brown sugar
    1 tablespoon paprika
    2 to 3 teaspoons red pepper sauce
    1/2 cup (1 stick) butter
    1/2 cup cider vinegar
    1 clove garlic, mashed
    1/4 cup chili sauce
    1 to 2 teaspoons salt, or to taste

    1. Combine the ingredients in a small saucepan over low heat. Stir and cook
    until the sugar and butter melt and the sauce is well blended. Simmer,
    stirring frequently to prevent sticking and burning, about 20 minutes.
    Store refrigerated up to 2 weeks.

    Makes about 3 1/2 cups.

    S.H.T. Barbecue Sauce ("Sweeter, Hotter, and Thicker"😉
    (from _Celebrating Barbecue_)

    1 1/4 cups bottled chili sauce
    1 1/2 cups ketchup
    1/2 cup packed brown sugar
    1 cup root beer
    1/4 cup (1/2 stick) butter
    2 to 3 tablespoons Worcestershire sauce, or to taste
    1 to 2 teaspoons red pepper sauce, or to taste, optional
    1 to 2 teaspoon lemon juice, or to taste
    1 teaspoon salt, or to taste

    Combine all ingredients in a small saucepan over low heat. Stir and cook
    until the sugar and butter melt and the sauce is well blended. Simmer,
    stirring frequently to prevent sticking and burning, about 20 minutes.

    Makes about 4 cups.

    Bob

  20. Elaine said:

    Big-batch Freezer Meatballs (recipe adapted from Saltscapes - Down East
    Magazine)

    3 lbs ground beef
    1can evaporated milk
    1 cup quick (not instant) rolled oats
    1 cup soda cracker crumbs (28 squares)
    1/2 cup chopped onion
    2 tsp salt
    pepper
    2 tsps chili powder

    and the sauce (which I didn't like)
    2 cups ketchup
    1 cup packed brown sugar
    garlic powder
    1/4 cup chopped onion

    In place of the sauce you don't like, I think a variety of other sauces
    would work. I posted some barbecue sauce recipes which I think would work,
    but here are some other ideas:

    fruity mustard-based sauce
    mild Jamaican jerk sauce
    cheese sauce
    maybe even Nancy's infamous mixture of chili sauce and grape jelly

    ....and here are some things I think would NOT work:

    Gravy, either brown or white
    Italian-style tomato sauce

    Bob

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