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Almost ran over a (dumb@$$) cyclist

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  1. Okay, so driving home after running an errand (time constraints made cycling untenable), I was
    driving on a major thoroughfare (4 lanes each way, very wide low median) in the lefthand lane.
    Ahead, on the median, is a cyclist, probably in the 17 - 22 y/o range. He is looking at traffic. We
    make eye contact. Just before I pass him, he mistimes things and winds up coming off the median.

    Collision was narrowly avoided (I'd timed it so I had bail-out space in the next lane).

    Bottom line is he made two mistakes: he tried to cross a major roadway in the middle of a block; he
    got impatient waiting for traffic to clear.

    Idiots like that presumably account for a lot of the accident statistics.

  2. Quoted message said:

    Idiots like that presumably account for a lot of the accident statistics.

    Exactly. How many "serious" cycllists are among the fatalies every year? I mean cyclists not
    people on bikes.

  3. Careful, this group doesn't like the distinction.

    Quoted message said:

    Exactly. How many "serious" cycllists are among the fatalies every year?


    I

    Quoted message said:

    mean cyclists not people on bikes.

  4. "D.Putnam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Careful, this group doesn't like the distinction.

    Quoted message said:

    Exactly. How many "serious" cycllists are among the fatalies every year?


    I mean cyclists not people on bikes.

    Quoted message said:


    Useful definitions: Casual cyclist / person on bike (POB) -- one who rides fewer miles than you
    do.Serious cyclist -- you, and perhaps your favorite riding buddies. Obsessive cyclist -- one who
    rides more miles than you do.

    That said, Poulos has a point. Riding at night, for example, is more dangerous according to all the
    statistics. But I see a lot of idiots riding very poorly at night without lights on poorly designed
    roads. I figure that throws the statistics off enough so that riding with lights, on a familiar
    commute route, with good safety technique is probably not all than dangerous.

  5. In article <[email hidden]>, "Mike Kruger"

    Quoted message said:

    "D.Putnam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Careful, this group doesn't like the distinction.

    Quoted message said:

    Exactly. How many "serious" cycllists are among the fatalies every year?


    I mean cyclists not people on bikes.

    Quoted message said:


    Useful definitions: Casual cyclist / person on bike (POB) -- one who rides fewer miles than you
    do.Serious cyclist -- you, and perhaps your favorite riding buddies. Obsessive cyclist -- one who
    rides more miles than you do.

    That said, Poulos has a point. Riding at night, for example, is more dangerous according to all
    the statistics. But I see a lot of idiots riding very poorly at night without lights on poorly
    designed roads. I figure that throws the statistics off enough so that riding with lights, on a
    familiar commute route, with good safety technique is probably not all than dangerous.

    We call those folks "organ donors". I see them a lot around here- often riding against the traffic,
    on beat up bikes, no reflectors, no helmets. I think they figure because they aren't going very
    fast, they're somehow safe.

    Lately I've become very aware of how dangerous some people are on bikes- meaning POBs. Roadies I
    don't worry about, but I can't believe the way POBs ride their bikes especially on bike paths. I
    can't believe how many near- misses I've recently had with idiots on bikes who don't seem to be able
    to ride in a straight line, don't bother to look around them or don't seem to be aware of anything
    at all. Sometimes I'm in fear for my life! Examples:

    People who will be stopped on the side and about to get back onto the path, with their bikes, and do
    so without even looking! Kids especially, just wobble right into the path. I can't believe that
    people don't even look where they're going. What, they think that if you collide with another
    cyclist it won't hurt because it's not a car?? I nearly creamed a kid the other day but yelled at
    him in time.

    People who look off to the side, behind them, or anywhere but ahead, while they wobble right into
    the opposite lane! duhhh....

    YOu wonder what some of these people are like in cars. It's for that reason that, especially on
    weekends, I get off the bike path as soon as possible! At one point, the bike path parallels a
    highway, so it's not a viable option to take the road, but as soon as it is, I'm outta there! The
    problem is that many people just don't have bike handling skills. Let them risk their asses, I'm not
    going to risk mine!

  6. Jkpoulos7:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    How many "serious" cycllists are among the fatalies every year? I mean cyclists not people on
    bikes.

    D.Putnam said:

    Careful, this group doesn't like the distinction.

    When "people in cars" can be proven to drive safely at all times, and are consistently held
    accountable before the law for the consequences of their actions (making no legal distinction
    between their cars and other kinds of lethal weapons), then we may reasonably begin to discuss
    assigning _some_ responsibility to their victims.

    Then, and not until then.

    Remember, effectively nobody would be killed in traffic accidents if everybody opted to go by bike.
    Trying to hold nonlethal road users somehow responsible for _any_ fatalities is misguided, and helps
    allow motorists (the true culprits) to escape fair judgement.

    Chalo Colina

  7. "Chalo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Jkpoulos7:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    How many "serious" cycllists are among the fatalies every year? I mean cyclists not people on
    bikes.

    D.Putnam said:

    Careful, this group doesn't like the distinction.

    When "people in cars" can be proven to drive safely at all times, and are consistently held
    accountable before the law for the consequences of their actions (making no legal distinction
    between their cars and other kinds of lethal weapons), then we may reasonably begin to discuss
    assigning _some_ responsibility to their victims.

    Then, and not until then.

    Remember, effectively nobody would be killed in traffic accidents if everybody opted to go by
    bike. Trying to hold nonlethal road users somehow responsible for _any_ fatalities is misguided,
    and helps allow motorists (the true culprits) to escape fair judgement.

    Chalo Colina

    It's not always the motorists fault.

    Have you ever seen a POB, at night, in dark clothes, with no light, riding haphazardly (on and
    off the sidewalk, against traffic), running red lights? Sure you have. I know I have. See them
    all the time.

    If/when he gets hit, how can that be the motorists fault (assuming the motorist is driving in a safe
    manner)? You could argue that if there were no cars, then he wouldn't have been hit. But you know
    thats not going to happen anytime soon.

    And that same idiot may run into you on your bike one night.

    Of *course* the level of driving skill is abysmal. But the average level of cycling skill may
    well be worse.

    Pete

  8. Quoted message said:

    Lately I've become very aware of how dangerous some people are on bikes- meaning POBs. Roadies I
    don't worry about, but I can't believe the way POBs ride their bikes especially on bike paths. I
    can't believe how many near- misses I've recently had with idiots on bikes who don't seem to be
    able to ride in a straight line, don't bother to look around them or don't seem to be aware of
    anything at all. Sometimes I'm in fear for my life!

    A few months ago, I was coming home from a store at night (the sun had set while I was still
    inside). The best route home goes along a bike path, which is unlit. Unfortunately, the batteries on
    my headlight were dying, and by the time I got very far down the path, they were nearly dead. So I
    took to turning the light on briefly every few seconds, to make sure there was nothing ahead, and
    going quite slowly.

    As I headed around a turn, I saw the glint of a rapidly approaching POB wearing dark clothes,
    completely without lights. We missed by about thirty centimeters.

    The next day I started looking for a generator. Since it came, I haven't had battery problems again.

    Peter

  9. In article said:

    "Chalo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Jkpoulos7:

    Quoted message said:

    > How many "serious" cycllists are among the fatalies every year? I mean cyclists not people
    > on bikes.

    D.Putnam said:

    Careful, this group doesn't like the distinction.

    When "people in cars" can be proven to drive safely at all times, and are consistently held
    accountable before the law for the consequences of their actions (making no legal distinction
    between their cars and other kinds of lethal weapons), then we may reasonably begin to discuss
    assigning _some_ responsibility to their victims.

    Then, and not until then.

    Remember, effectively nobody would be killed in traffic accidents if everybody opted to go by
    bike. Trying to hold nonlethal road users somehow responsible for _any_ fatalities is misguided,
    and helps allow motorists (the true culprits) to escape fair judgement.

    Chalo Colina

    It's not always the motorists fault.

    Have you ever seen a POB, at night, in dark clothes, with no light, riding haphazardly (on and
    off the sidewalk, against traffic), running red lights? Sure you have. I know I have. See them
    all the time.

    If/when he gets hit, how can that be the motorists fault (assuming the motorist is driving in a
    safe manner)? You could argue that if there were no cars, then he wouldn't have been hit. But
    you know thats not going to happen anytime soon.

    And that same idiot may run into you on your bike one night.

    Of *course* the level of driving skill is abysmal. But the average level of cycling skill may well
    be worse.

    Pete

    That's happened a few times around here, with motorists hitting 'cyclists' at night. Once, it was a
    kid riding on a really dangerous road where no sane person would take a bike in broad daylight! At
    this area it wasn't very well lit. In most of those cases where they say they never saw the cyclist
    (it happens when pedestrians are hit as well) you believe them, if you know the road. In one case it
    was a kid going the wrong way and then through a stop sign on his bike, at night. If you don't
    expect someone to be coming from that direction, no matter how good a driver you are, you won't see
    them until it's too late!

  10. "Chalo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    When "people in cars" can be proven to drive safely at all times, and are consistently held
    accountable before the law for the consequences of their actions (making no legal distinction
    between their cars and other kinds of lethal weapons), then we may reasonably begin to discuss
    assigning _some_ responsibility to their victims.

    Remember, effectively nobody would be killed in traffic accidents if everybody opted to go by
    bike. Trying to hold nonlethal road users somehow responsible for _any_ fatalities is misguided,
    and helps allow motorists (the true culprits) to escape fair judgement.

    Troll.

  11. "Jkpoulos7" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Exactly. How many "serious" cycllists are among the fatalies every year?


    I

    Quoted message said:

    mean cyclists not people on bikes.

    Best estimates would be 100 to 1 "serious" cyclists over "people".

    The "serious" cyclist is running red-lights, buzzin' stop signs, distracted by their eagerness to
    keep their ...pace. The "serious" cyclist is a much greater risk for a fatal accident. They actually
    put all other "people" at risk due to their routinely odd... or inconsiderate... riding.

    hth

  12. "Golightly F." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Jkpoulos7" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Exactly. How many "serious" cycllists are among the fatalies every year?


    I

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    mean cyclists not people on bikes.

    Best estimates would be 100 to 1 "serious" cyclists over "people".

    Nonsense. The sales figures from Huffy, Murray, NEXT, Walmart/Target/Kmart would seem to
    refute this.

    Pete

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