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OT: Henry Hansteen's "Enlightened Progressives"

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  1. Some of Henry's recent headers read:

    Quoted message said:

    From: Hank <"impeach"@bu$h.gov>
    Newsgroups: misc.fitness.weights
    Subject: Re: Did U.S. help assassinate JFK?
    Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 22:48:50 -0500
    Organization: Enlightened Progressives

    Henry loves to classify himself as a "progressive," and he always
    cites "progressive" web sites, like CommonDreams.org. But when it
    comes to the real issues, nobody defines "progressive" policies.

    At first blush, one might think that "progressives" are defined by
    hatred, since Henry and his ilk spend most of their time spewing about
    how they hate the presidential administration of George W. Bush. But
    in all fairness, I'll assume there's more to it than that.

    I thought I might find something definitive at the Principles Project,
    under their so-called "Declaration of Progressive Priniciple," but all
    they really give you is some feel-good cheerleading with vague and
    amorphous discussions of their desires "to defend dignity, to
    strengthen democracy, to promote progress and to embrace leadership."
    Not a damn thing about the day-to-day policies of government, which is
    what the so-called "progressives" are always ranting about.

    So I decided to look around and see what I could find about
    "progressive" policies on some of the real governmental issues that
    so-called "progressives" rant about on Internet forums. Maybe Henry
    will have the courage to address some of these:

    As to private property, "progressives" seem to be saying:

    [1] They want everyone to keep the property he or she has acquired,
    according to the principle that benefit to the community precedes
    benefit to the individual.
    [2] By the same token, they believe that the state should retain
    supervision over the use of private property.
    [3] They believe it is the duty of a property owner not to use his
    property against the interests of others amongst the people.

    True?

    As to war profiteering, "progressives" seem to be saying that, because
    war imposes great sacrifices in life and property upon the people,
    personally profiting from war should be considered a crime against the
    people.

    True?

    As to gun control, "progressives" seem to be saying that comprehensive
    gun registration will make our streets safer and our police more
    efficient.

    True?

    Are these really the values in which your "Enlightened Progressives"
    believe?

  2. JMW said:

    Henry loves to classify himself as a "progressive," and he
    always cites "progressive" web sites, like CommonDreams.org.

    Obsess much? <chuckle>

    Quoted message said:

    But when it comes to the real issues, nobody defines
    "progressive" policies.

    Of course they do. You just don't read or think much.

    Quoted message said:

    At first blush, one might think that "progressives" are defined by
    hatred, since Henry and his ilk spend most of their time spewing about
    how they hate the presidential administration of George W. Bush.

    You're being very silly again, and revealing more of your
    stupidity and hatred, Johnny. My posts reveal a passion for
    human rights, freedom, truth, justice, environmental protection,
    peace, and prosperity. You and bu$h absolutely despise those
    ideals, but I don't hate you or him - I pity you both.

    Quoted message said:

    I thought

    Not exactly.

    Quoted message said:

    So I decided to look around and see what I could find about
    "progressive" policies on some of the real governmental issues
    that so-called "progressives" rant about on Internet forums.
    Maybe Henry will have the courage to address some of these:

    Unlike you, who repeatedly cowers and hides when your
    silly rants are challenged, I welcome the opportunity
    to defend my views.

    Quoted message said:

    As to private property, "progressives" seem to be saying:

    You mean, "John Williams is saying".

    Quoted message said:

    [1] They want everyone to keep the property he or she has
    acquired, according to the principle that benefit to the
    community precedes benefit to the individual.

    Your concepts are too vague to merit a response. Who is
    "they", and what is an example of community benefit
    preceding that of the individual?
    I benefit the community by providing quality affordable
    housing. I also benefit myself, so everyone is happy.

    Quoted message said:

    [2] By the same token, they believe that the state should
    retain supervision over the use of private property.

    Who is "they", and what sort of control are "they"
    referring to? Cite and example. I have no problem
    complying with reasonable fire, construction, and
    safety codes, for example, but I have seen them
    taken too far.

    Quoted message said:

    [3] They believe it is the duty of a property owner not
    to use his property against the interests of others
    amongst the people.
    True?

    Vague. Cite an example and I'll tell you if I agree.

    Quoted message said:

    As to war profiteering, "progressives" seem to be
    saying

    You mean, "John Williams is saying".

    Quoted message said:

    that, because war imposes great sacrifices in life and
    property upon the people, personally profiting from war
    should be considered a crime against the people.

    Quoted message said:

    True?

    If the war is illegal, immoral, globally condemned, a
    violation of International Law, and based on lies like
    bu$h's 200 million dollar per day al Qaeda training and
    recruitment program in Iraq, I agree.

    Quoted message said:

    As to gun control, "progressives" seem to be saying

    You mean, "John Williams is saying".

    Quoted message said:

    that comprehensive gun registration will make our streets
    safer and our police more efficient.

    Quoted message said:

    True?

    Define "comprehensive gun registration". I do know that
    most LEOs support gun control laws, and with good reason.
    It's insane to sell guns to violent criminals or mentally
    ill people with no questions asked.

    -

    Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
    to raging infernos for hours on end.

    http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

    On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
    had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
    at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
    demolition.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
    http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
    http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm

    Ever wonder who benefits from the 150 MILLION
    U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
    http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
    http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

    "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
    there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
    take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
    who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
    warfare or morality."
    -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
    http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

    http://www.commondreams.org/
    http://www.truthout.org/

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